Quote from: Lachlann on March 16, 2011, 05:34:30 AM
It's not about male or female advice. It's about knowing that individual person. That's the first and biggest mistake people make when trying to figure out the 'opposite sex.'

Some women wont give you a straight answer, but there are a lot of men like that too. Some people simply like to conform to ridiculous stereotypes but it doesn't strip away their individuality. And on that note, one of the reasons why women are wary of men is because it's been beaten into their brain that men often hurt and target women and they feel they have to protect themselves from that.

Communication is key, not the gender. If she wont give you a straight answer then there is a failure to communicate properly either on your end or hers.

Think of it this way... you're a man, right? You can't possibly speak for every man and you can only just regurgitate stereotypes that aren't often true. We're not all born with the same blueprint, we have varying interests, temperaments, personalities, etc... There is no one way to be a man or act like a man. The same is true for women.

This. Exactly. There are men who do the exact same thing.  So just labeling the whole female (and male) gender is stereotyping. 

Quote from: tekla on March 17, 2011, 11:28:18 AM
talk about what clothes to buy, what brand of make up is better, which purse is more expensive
Yeah, cause that's a real downgrade from which microbrewery has the most alcohol in it, what power driver to to buy, who's motorcycle is faster, and which sports team is the best.  Trivial conversation is always trivial, no matter the topic.

No, okay. When girls KNOW about me some make a POINT to include me in "these" conversations on PURPOSE and it is annoying. If girls don't know and talk about it I don't care to be involved or not.

Quote from: annette on March 16, 2011, 02:23:30 PM
OOhh my dear friends

Off course it wasn't offensive.
I was just joking about the man's talk.
No, don't you worry about offensivity, I know how annoying women's talk can be for men.

You're funny!  Glad to see you're not offended.  Which brings me to my next point....

Quote from: Rain on March 17, 2011, 01:09:50 PM
This. Exactly. There are men who do the exact same thing.  So just labeling the whole female (and male) gender is stereotyping. 

Yes.  That is true.  However, stereotypes exist for a reason, and it's mainly because the stereotypes DO fit a majority of the population in question....otherwise they wouldn't be stereotypes!  Like the stereotypical American, European, Mexican, etc....well, take a look at how the majority of them are, and it's TRUE.  Most Americans are fat, most Europeans have strong body odor, most Mexicans can't be bothered to work at a fast pace because that's just their lifestyle.  Whatever!  Lol...if those stereotypes just now offended anyone, all I can say is oh well.

But here's the deal, since the thread is about complaints of women and their various habits I shall now offer my contribution (I apologize in advance for all the caps).

1.  The whole "PARTY IN FIVE MINUTES IN THE BATHROOM" thing.  I suppose they need to spend a long time in there adjusting makeup.  But many of them just succumb to vanity and stare at the mirror while touching their hair and faces while having endless, ENDLESS conversations with their friends.  Can I just get the hell on by you and wash my hands already?  JEEZ.  And one time recently I was in a women's room (got some weird looks) and a girl left the bathroom without washing her hands and the various women still in there laughed at her about it.  WELL PLEASE STOP BLOCKING THE DAMNED SINK AND IT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
2.  "I just got this text from this guy that I haven't yet been able to enslave successfully, therefore the situation is complicated because he's not serious about me and I'm too dense to GET IT.  Is there some super cryptic hidden meaning to his text?!?!?"  Answer: No, he wants booty and you give it to him...move on to a guy who actually cares about you.  On that note, women who think sex = love bother me in general.  If sex honestly was the same as love, there would never be one night stands.
3.  "OMG, that person *ENDLESS GOSSIP ALERT* blah blah blah!"  I don't care and gossiping is insanely rude of you.  Though this one definitely applies to both sexes as men gossip just as much as women (though mens' gossip tends to be about what their buddies did while drunk and how much various women in their lives are putting out.)  Still, it's stupid all around.
4.  I really hate to say this....but I find the fake laughter of women more annoying than fake laughter of men. =/  I'm just not a big fan of superficiality in general though.
5.  "OMG, my boobs hurt.  OMG, I'm pms-ing so badly right now!  OMG, I HATE shaving my legs.  OMG, what do I wear? I HATE dressing up!  OMG, etc...."  and yet "I LOVE BEING A WOMAN!!!!"  My answer: "WTF?  You sound like as much of a transman as me!  If you don't like doing those things, why do them?"
6.  And of course the subtleties in their conversational patterns and how they think there has to be some HIDDEN DEEPER MEANING to what I have just said.  "I like piercings" does NOT mean I find you any less attractive because you lack them and CERTAINLY does not mean that I'm insisting you get them!  Please stop reading into something that clearly isn't there!


And yet....I still love women.  But the less "girly" they are, the better long-term commitment for me.

It's not rocket science, the reason women go to the rest room and spend time there can be brought down to 3 words: YOU'RE NOT THERE.

Quote from: Heath on March 17, 2011, 04:35:35 PM
...stereotypes exist for a reason, and it's mainly because the stereotypes DO fit a majority of the population in question....otherwise they wouldn't be stereotypes!  Like the stereotypical American, European, Mexican, etc....well, take a look at how the majority of them are, and it's TRUE.  Most Americans are fat, most Europeans have strong body odor, most Mexicans can't be bothered to work at a fast pace because that's just their lifestyle.  Whatever!  Lol...if those stereotypes just now offended anyone, all I can say is oh well.

The reason they exist is to make someone feel superior, that's why we have stereotypes they exist to put people down   Why would you even need to see for yourself how different people are within any group if you have your stereotypes, you need to get off your butt and start conversing with people, it's alot more enjoyable.

Quote from: Gabby on March 17, 2011, 05:19:17 PM
The reason they exist is to make someone feel superior, that's why we have stereotypes they exist to put people down   Why would you even need to see for yourself how different people are within any group if you have your stereotypes, you need to get off your butt and start conversing with people, it's alot more enjoyable.

I agree that conversing is an amazing way to break stereotypes (and is totally fun), but there are people of certain ethnic groups and gender orientations who say "Well, actually, it's TRUE that most black people love collard greens and catfish!"  Not all stereotypes are meant to be harmful.  And the ones that ARE harmful are meant to be broken. =D

Quote from: tekla on March 17, 2011, 05:05:18 PM
It's not rocket science, the reason women go to the rest room and spend time there can be brought down to 3 words: YOU'RE NOT THERE.

Then tell the men to buzz off?  Threaten them with pepper spray if need be? Learn some basic self-defense?  Seriously, not making your intentions known only *adds* to the problem of men taking up your space.  If women stood up for themselves they wouldn't have to retreat to the bathrooms and use them as a "safe space."  Strong assertive women who tell men exactly where they can go are HOT.  Women who play hide and seek in a restroom when people need to be in there for legitimate purposes NOT involving chit-chat = not at all attractive.

I find catty women annoying. That and jealous, over bearing women. Men like that bother me just as much. But besides those character flaws, they don't bother me. 

Quote from: Heath on March 17, 2011, 05:27:48 PM
I agree that conversing is an amazing way to break stereotypes (and is totally fun), but there are people of certain ethnic groups and gender orientations who say "Well, actually, it's TRUE that most black people love collard greens and catfish!"  Not all stereotypes are meant to be harmful.  And the ones that ARE harmful are meant to be broken. =D

Argh collard greens they are argh lol.  I googled the word and my enemy from childhood appeared, I didn't even know those evil things were even called that haha.

And yes I think we've all joked around in a respectful way among friends and family

Quote"OMG, my boobs hurt.  OMG, I'm pms-ing so badly right now!  OMG, I HATE shaving my legs.  OMG, what do I wear? I HATE dressing up!  OMG, etc...."  and yet "I LOVE BEING A WOMAN!!!!"  My answer: "WTF?  You sound like as much of a transman as me!  If you don't like doing those things, why do them?"

Well, if they don't shave their legs they'll be pretty much treated like a disease. I should know. I shave my legs because it isn't worth the hassle on top of the other body dysphoria and transphobia I face ALREADY. I wanna just wear shorts without being stared at. When I pass, I'll let the hair grow but I entirely empathize.

Plus, being male/female has nothing to do with how much you enjoy stereotypes about your gender. There's a lot more to being a man/woman than any of that. Social pressure can be pretty rough.

Well, this tread is now a bit like battle of the sexes.
There is no need for because we do need eachother.
Men and women do have another perspective and that's good.
Imagine, there were only men on the world......boring
Or only women.....boring.
So we need eachother to create a balance.
For feelings I prefer to talk with women, but I love the sense of humor of men and the way men look to solve problems.
Yes guys and girls...we can't live without eachother.
There is no black without white.

Hugs
annette

Reminds me of the time a male student got up all hot and bothered saying: "There is a women's center on campus, where's the men's center?"  Like he was being all clever.  My response was: "Well try the football stadium on game day, and if that don't work for you, try the college of engineering."

Quote from: Heath on March 17, 2011, 04:35:35 PMmost Mexicans can't be bothered to work at a fast pace because that's just their lifestyle.

Why do people keep thinking this? Have you ever encountered a Mexican? I've never seen one who isn't working 2 jobs for minimum wage to support their family in the US and back in Mexico. We don't show up here for the welfare, most of us don't even know it exist. We come from a country where the government won't even fund public school past 6th grade, how the hell are we suppose to know about crap like Medicaid or food stamps? My mom worked by herself from age 13 to support 11 brothers and sisters, her parents, and her nephew. By 18 she brought them all here to the US. My grandpa is almost 80 and he and my grandma still haven't retired. They're still working their asses off. How can that be low pace or lazy? Only lazy moments most of us have are after 16 hours of work where we either pass out or drink the body pain away, hence the alcoholism most suffer from. I wouldn't be so offended if this wasn't a made up stereotype by the "they took our jobs!" people. We're alcoholics, men aren't involved in their children's lives as much as they should be, women are always either evil ball busting harpies or do whatever their man says, we make up holidays just for drinking, we're awful at religion, we eat every part of the damn cow except what you're suppose to eat because they're expensive cuts. Those stereotypes I'm ok with because they're actually pretty true.

Sorry, I'm not mad. I'm just frustrated @_@.

The problem with stereotypes is that they aren't facts.

It can been proven that x% of Americans are overweight (and probably because that is more of a health concern).

To say Mexicans are lazy, that is just from your personal observation.


Same goes with my observations about some women, I feel that they can be annoying, I am not stating women are annoying to be true.

I only started this thread to point out how strange it is to transition in society starting as female and then living later as male. It is just funny to be on the other side and be read male to notice different things that I never noticed when living as a woman.

That being said, the exact same thing can be said about men being annoying. And different kinds of annoying depending on if I am out to them or not. Just because I am saying these things doesn't mean it is a true fact, it is just something I have experienced.

What it boils down to is that people have become incredibly sensitive and politically correct when in reality we've all had to grow a thicker skin for whatever reason.  Without adversity, there would be no need for self-improvement.  Like I said, sorry if I offended anyone with my statements.  I'm only stating my personal observations about women and I'm sorry if that got anyone's "panties in a wad" so to speak.  You click on a thread about "women being annoying sometimes...." in all honesty and with all due respect, what do you expect to find in here?  Just saying.  I'm sure women talk about what kinds of ->-bleeped-<-s men are and some of them (see? I'm not stereotyping!) don't even bother to preface with "well, not ALL men, BUT most men...."   It's the same kind of thing, just a different label on the complaint department.

JayUnit, I know you're saying you FEEL women can be annoying and are not making a claim that women are annoying is true.  That's called having your opinion (which you and anyone else alive is entitled to), and honestly I dislike it when I consistently have to justify and backtrack on my opinions just because someone gets the least bit offended.  The thing here is that NONE of us are stereotyping.  We ALL know there are exceptions to every rule.  Yes, being politically correct is good....can we move on to the meat of the discussion yet?  I'm not trying to troll or anything like that, but I feel like it needed to be said that we're not trying to attack anyone....if anything we're pointing out distasteful behaviors.  For me, I know I pointed out a few that BOTH/ALL sexes are guilty of.  AGAIN, just sayin'.

So, to my next point....

Quote from: Darth_Taco on March 18, 2011, 02:54:12 AM
Why do people keep thinking this? Have you ever encountered a Mexican? I've never seen one who isn't working 2 jobs for minimum wage to support their family in the US and back in Mexico. We don't show up here for the welfare, most of us don't even know it exist. We come from a country where the government won't even fund public school past 6th grade, how the hell are we suppose to know about crap like Medicaid or food stamps? My mom worked by herself from age 13 to support 11 brothers and sisters, her parents, and her nephew. By 18 she brought them all here to the US. My grandpa is almost 80 and he and my grandma still haven't retired. They're still working their asses off. How can that be low pace or lazy? Only lazy moments most of us have are after 16 hours of work where we either pass out or drink the body pain away, hence the alcoholism most suffer from. I wouldn't be so offended if this wasn't a made up stereotype by the "they took our jobs!" people. We're alcoholics, men aren't involved in their children's lives as much as they should be, women are always either evil ball busting harpies or do whatever their man says, we make up holidays just for drinking, we're awful at religion, we eat every part of the damn cow except what you're suppose to eat because they're expensive cuts. Those stereotypes I'm ok with because they're actually pretty true.

Sorry, I'm not mad. I'm just frustrated @_@.

I've certainly encountered Mexicans and you may or may not find this hard to believe (idk), but in reality *I'm* usually the one educating people about how hardworking most Mexicans are.  YES, there are some that live off the welfare, and YES there are some that just plain don't want to work, but there are a LOT of white hippies (again SORRY FOR OFFENSE....) who don't want to work either.  Apples and oranges and there are bad ones in every bunch. 

However, I WILL say that Mexicans (and white people, and black people, and WHOEVER) tend to slow down their work pace when they're making minimum wage.  Who doesn't?  If you're working hourly and you don't get incentives for making more goods, why work faster than the next person?  Pure Marxist ideology right there.  But anyway, the reason why I say that Mexicans work at a slower pace because that's just their lifestyle, I don't know how many times I've heard of car work getting done "mañana."  Most times when you want something done, the answer is going to be "mañana."  (At least in Mexico if your buddy is working on your car.  Here in the States they're not as friendly about car work.)  Am I saying there is anything wrong with that?  Not at all.  Just wanted to clarify.



If I come off sounding like an ->-bleeped-<-, it's because I am.  Never really been good at sugar coating anything....I'll be honest in admitting it's quite potentially my biggest flaw as a person.

I find women less annoying now than I used to. For me, testosterone has made me a lot more tolerant.

Quote from: Heath on March 18, 2011, 04:26:46 AM
If I come off sounding like an ->-bleeped-<-, it's because I am.  Never really been good at sugar coating anything....I'll be honest in admitting it's quite potentially my biggest flaw as a person.

Heath you sound like you need to defend something but putting others down?  I'd rather not defend whatever it is as it's clearly not honestly earnt.

I realize that there are things that occur that enforce stereotypes, but...

All us guys were born female-bodied. That means that these stereotypes have been applied to _all_ of us. Society, at least the portion of society that really believes these stereotypes doesn't give two rat's asses that we're male identified. As long as we appear, or have appeared female those stereotypes are going to be applied to us and it SUCKS ASS.

My post was about one or two women in particular; I think we need to be particular about our statements because otherwise we just perpetuate ->-bleeped-<- that also hurts us.

Just my two cents.

Wow!  You are the same bunch of people who decry a lack of sensitivity and an excess of stereotyping when it comes to your group right?  Sure.


If I come off sounding like an ->-bleeped-<-, it's because I am.
You know, you never have to tell people that, it's the first thing about you they know, even if they don't know you.  That particular quality - like an excess of crappy aftershave - tends to arrive long before you do.

QuoteSometimes find women annoying?

I sometimes find annoying people annoying.  But only when I am low on patience.

Quote from: Gabby on March 18, 2011, 08:49:27 AM
Heath you sound like you need to defend something but putting others down?  I'd rather not defend whatever it is as it's clearly not honestly earnt.

Who was I putting down?     Just wondering....I wasn't trying to put down JayUnit (in fact I gave him a reputation point for keeping a sense of peace in here).  If you're implying I was insulting women, I was just simply doing what the other members who posted in this thread were doing which was offering my perspective of when (some) women SOMETIMES annoy me. 

Quote from: tekla on March 18, 2011, 09:40:35 AM
Wow!  You are the same bunch of people who decry a lack of sensitivity and an excess of stereotyping when it comes to your group right?  Sure.


If I come off sounding like an ->-bleeped-<-, it's because I am.
You know, you never have to tell people that, it's the first thing about you they know, even if they don't know you.  That particular quality - like an excess of crappy aftershave - tends to arrive long before you do.

I can tell we'll get along rather well around here. 

And no, I don't go around claiming a lack of sensitivity and excess of stereotypes when it comes to my group.  For starters, I either think one of two things.  1: It's more of a lack of *education* which is vastly different than sensitivity.  (Do I seem like the kind of guy who places a high value on sensitivity? Not really.) Or 2:  You can't cure stupid for whoever is making the claims, because some people will just never get it.  In those instances I deal with the discrimination thrown my way, with my head held up high, and I move on.