Awww you pass well Ricki,

I love the collar, just keep away from my cat.

Buffy

Buff i was meaning to ask you, but you answered my "?" it is a kitty cat...
Hmmmm hunny is to young to appreciate the sensual nature of a cat just yet..
Gulp.. i hope she never finds out either, hehe...
I like your kitty!
You did not have to drug her to lay like that did you?
hehe
luv
ricki

Lol Riki... Aaron is my Male persian,that I rescued from a black plastic bag out of a dumpster when he was about 8 weeks old.

He is totally stupid, has no brains what so ever and follows me everywhere when I am home.He tries to sleep on my head at night.

He is in full Winter "puff" right now and looks like a sheep!

He doesn't need drugging, he lies on my computer desk like that only because I wont let him lay on my laptop..

Hunny is cute btw, I used to be a dog person, but transition does bring about some strange changes.

Buffy

I should of known that wry smile a male kitty!  Even more fierce..
thanks..
hunny is 8 mos not full grown yet,  She's lovey very lovey but starting to come into her own and we have not house broken her yet a major issue.. I am not going to lay newspappers down the rest of my life..
Ugghhhh
Sweet story to have rescued the cat!  I like that a happy ending for him!
I believe these things come back to us somehow in kind from our creator or angels or guardians when we do things like that!
hugs and kisses
Ricki
P.S. the breeder wanted 500.00 for this slobbering hunk of love!...

The problem out there is people just see whats on the out and have never took the time to talk about ts issues and we are in the minority. I whole heartly understand y people decide not to transition. But both paths have dire consiquences. Those that pass are very lucky they can lead a nornal life.

Quote from: Lucy on February 17, 2007, 09:34:44 AM
Those that pass are very lucky they can lead a nornal life.

And all of us need to remember that.  Too often we forget those who transition but have extreme difficulty passing or, maybe even worse, those who will never take the path to transition because they feel they will never pass. 

After spending so many decades feeling like that, I'll never forget the depressing hopelessness.  If there's any way I can give support to those less able, I want to do it.  It's for them that I feel the importance of at least some of us getting out in public and representing us in a way that will make the general public realize we are ordinary people just like them.  And when that time comes that I feel I can be one of those people, I will.

Julie

Quote from: Julie Marie on February 22, 2007, 10:44:51 AM

Quote from: Lucy on February 17, 2007, 09:34:44 AM
Those that pass are very lucky they can lead a nornal life.

And all of us need to remember that.  Too often we forget those who transition but have extreme difficulty passing or, maybe even worse, those who will never take the path to transition because they feel they will never pass. 

After spending so many decades feeling like that, I'll never forget the depressing hopelessness.  If there's any way I can give support to those less able, I want to do it.  It's for them that I feel the importance of at least some of us getting out in public and representing us in a way that will make the general public realize we are ordinary people just like them.  And when that time comes that I feel I can be one of those people, I will.

Julie

Never Ordinary, we are extrodinary people who overcome a serious condition.....Why we do this the general public may never understand, Hopefully one day they will accept.

For those of us who do live in stealth, lucky enough to pass, I guess we can count our blessings everyday. For those who have the real fear that they may not pass, live in stealth, The world does need to be more understanding, change is slow, but progressing.

Buffy

Quote from: Buffy on February 22, 2007, 11:16:47 AM
Never Ordinary, we are extrodinary people who overcome a serious condition.....Why we do this the general public may never understand, Hopefully one day they will accept.

Buffy

I said something similar

Quote from: Julie Marie on February 16, 2007, 04:25:01 PM
we are just ordinary people with an extraordinary challenge. 

And our serious condition is living in a myopic, closed minded, prejudiced society.  There's nothing wrong with us.  We are creatures of God (Nature) and God (Nature) doesn't make mistakes but man certainly does and man created this society.

Julie

This has been an interesting discussion which I have enjoyed very much.  The timing is good in that I have been giving this a lot of thought lately.  I think on an individual level each person has the right to choose what is best for them in how they choose to present and live in the "world."  And I fully support whatever decision people make in their lives. Maybe because I have lately been reading Kate Bornstein and Leslie Feinberg, my view on passing, SRS, pre-opt, post-opt, male, female, feminism, masculinity, passing, etc. is taking a somewhat different turn.

I have been thinking that "passing" is buying into the gender binary and is not a positive goal.  In the gender binary society uses humiliation and violence to keep people in their pink or blue boxes (lives), and god help anyone that dares to stray from what is deemed acceptable.  This means that feminine men, masculine woman, transgenders, transexuals, cross-dressers, lesbians, gays, bi-sexuals, genderqueers, and countless others who don't fit or choose to not live by the strict rules of conduct for men or women will be ostricized, riduculed, and risk violence.

I am beginning to believe that the gender binary is responsible for transphobia, homophobia, violence against woman, male privilege, unequal pay for equal work, for the sociatal belief that men are inherently better than woman.

My goal when I started this journey was to pass, now I'm not so sure.  I get angry thinking about how our young trans children are bullied, abandoned by their families, and made to feel inferior.  I get upset that any gender variant person, human being has to always look over their shoulder in fear of losing their job, home, family, friends, and life.  And for me the concept of stealth and passing is buying into and giving power to the system that allows this to happen.

To answer the question from my individual perspective I do believe that living in stealth does hurt everyone, it limits choices people can freely make to live their lives however they choose as long as it doesn't hurt or diminish anyone else.  I am a veteran who joined the military in the belief I was serving my country and defending individual liberty and freedom.  But what I am learning is that there are limits on those freedoms, the most basic of which is to live a life free of fear and degradation, if we don't choose to live a very narrow definition of what is a man or a woman.

I don't know if this makes any sense or if anyone agrees with me, but for me, today this is how I see it.  Who knows, I am still thinking this through and I don't know how I will see it in the future, I am continuing to evolve and this is part of the process for me.

I wish eveyone best wishes and good fortune.

Maya

I make myself known to my friends, but when i go out, i dont wish to announce 'hey im a transexual' i dont mind buying into the gender binary, and its not gender, its a sexual binary... and its changeing before our eyes... metrosexuality
and over the summer, i spent time with army officers, whom had the fashion of cream chinos and pink shirts... totaly masculine, but wore pink... so i dont think its so rigid these days, but i for one, am female, and i want to be seen as that, not as transexual, im sorry, but regardless of the problems of others, once im stealth, ill stay there, i shall not outmyself simply to spread the gospel as such....
its like being cured of cancer, then going round telling everyone you have it, so as to raise awareness...
to me, once im stealth, thats it, im nolonger transexual, im a woman, pure and simple, im fixed, and i shall remain as such...

QuoteThose that pass are very lucky they can lead a nornal life.

Well perfect........
But when everyone defines "normal" either a different way or in their own sense of reality..
then how many are really leading perfectly normal lives?
I do not know.......  i know i am in the raw form of stealth, very very raw!
Ricki

Ricki,

There is no such thing as a normal life.  It's just a little secret that we can share between us to really piss off the rest of the world

Cindi

Cindi..
you have enlightened me!
in honor of this i will crack open a fresh bottle of Ketel One Vodka for you this evening!

hugs
Ricki

Enjoy it!

Cindi

Quote from: Cindi Jones on February 24, 2007, 03:28:31 AM
Ricki,

There is no such thing as a normal life. 

that's true, yet we can try to make [it] as [normal] as possible

I try to not live a "normal" life.  I just try to enjoy my life.  Once the GID thing was out of the way for the most part (cause you never can really park that animal), I started pursuing my interests and having fun. 

I don't even think about what a normal life is.  Karen sent me a private message about a documentary running its course in America.... 80 million poeple purportedly support the views in the film... If they are normal, I'm not.

Have fun, be excellent to each other.

Cheers

Cindi

There is stealth which is completely reinventing oneself and rejecting the past which may include family and friends and there is stealth which is living without broadcasting the fact that you are TS.

Caroline

Quote from: carolinejeo on April 13, 2011, 06:32:08 AM
There is stealth which is completely reinventing oneself and rejecting the past which may include family and friends and there is stealth which is living without broadcasting the fact that you are TS.

Caroline

Why did you necro for that? O.o

There seems to be a positive correlation between a transwoman's class privilege and the likelihood that she identifies as a woman more generally and not a transwoman specifically. To erase the "trans" part of my womanhood is to erase the discrimination I experience, the ways in which I'm oppressed and disadvantaged, the pain and suffering and misery that stems from being trapped in the wrong body, the erasure of our people from the history books, the refusal of society to acknowledge our very existence, the amount of time and money I have to spend fixing my body to alleviate this pain and all the things I can't afford as a result. And it's to erase the fact that it is not only cismen who exclude and oppress us, but also ciswomen as well. There are some who live in extremely dangerous areas. I would rather have them live a life of stealth until we've rectified our society's problems, because I don't want to see transwomen and transmen losing their lives. However, for those of us who live in less dangerous areas, we have an obligation to our people to create a world where they won't be oppressed simply for not being born into a narrow-minded, ignorant, oversimplification of sex and gender. For those of you who view yourselves as ciswomen or cismen, ask yourself why you're participating in a forum for people who are transgender? Is it because you're an ally? Or is it perhaps because you're in denial.

P.S. I'm in uber b itch mode right now.

This is amazing- this thread is like walking through a ghost town