I'd have wanted a trial.

I would have preferred that he be captured alive and made to stand trial as well

I would have preferred that he be captured alive and made to stand trial as well

He could have turned himself in at any of the convenient world-wide locations of USA Inc. and we would have given him a trial.

I agree with Tekla. Also, two things about Pakistan. One, they let Osama live there. Two, they let us go in and kill him. The latter eclipses the former.

He could have turned himself in at any of the convenient world-wide locations of USA Inc. and we would have given him a trial.

LOL 

I agree with Tekla.

I agree with Mr. Rogers on some issues, but that's beside the point

Check this out... Apparently Bin Bin wasn't armed

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theenvoy/20110503/ts_yblog_theenvoy/in-aftermath-of-bin-laden-raid-new-intelligence-shifting-accounts

That won't incite any fanatics to carry out attacks on us 

Quote from: Virginia M on May 03, 2011, 09:19:04 PM
I agree with Mr. Rogers on some issues, but that's beside the point

Lol

Apparently Bin Bin wasn't armed

He should have armed himself then.  Really?  Like he didn't know that someday that doorbell was going to ring and it wasn't going to be Avon Calling?

I don't care about the person, but how the lies/truth evolve. Fascinating. Is there truth?

Truth is a theoretical construct.

Like all of these guys, I won't miss him. What I do miss is the idea that someone, anyone is presumed innocent until found guilty in a court of law.

I'm not saying that he was innocent, but it's for a court to determine.

I also think that having captured him, alive, and sparring as many lives in his home/compound would have proven something to the world-that we are a nation of laws which respects life. (quite unlike the terrorists)

Having Bin Laden face the families of those he helped to murder would have given the families some satisfaction and closure, too. It would also show future terrorists that their mission is one of shame and sorrow. Having Islamic clerics visit UBL in prison to admonish him for shaming the Koran might have also made a statement.

SEALs thought Bin Laden was trying to reach for a nearby weapon

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden

Can you imagine what would have happened if we had just captured him? 

First we'd have to deal with the countless nuts who would come out of the woodwork with bombs strapped to their waist, blowing themselves up in crowds, demanding bin Laden be released.

Then we'd have to put him up for trial and who knows how that would turn out.  Of course all that time more nuts would be killing innocent people.

And in the end if we found him guilty and sentenced him to death the nuts would turn up the heat and more innocent people would die.  And in the end bin Laden would be their hero/martyr.  Who knows, a new religion could have been formed.

No, I think there was only one choice once they entered the house.  He had to die.  And burying him at sea was also the better option.  No grave for the kooks and nuts to visit and remember him and walk away with renewed revenge in their hearts.

Can you imagine what would have happened if we had just captured him?

I think the friends, family and relatives of the 9/11 victims should have all had the opportunity to kick him in the    at ground zero, but that's just my opinion

Like all the fanatical nutters aren't going to start some (more) stuff anyway?

The fanatical nutters hate us anyway, but at least a figurehead has been shown to be fallible.  There won't be any pilgrimages to his grave either now he is on the bottom of the ocean.
As for being unarmed, he was a combatant not in uniform , so stiff bickies Osama.

There won't be any pilgrimages to his grave either now he is on the bottom of the ocean.

Al Qaeda members and/or sympathizers won't be able gather and/or congregate in one general area? It definitely will be interesting  to guess where the new leader of Al Qaeda will strike in order to prove themselves

Kia Ora,

  They crucified a young Jewish guy call Jesus and look what happens after they did that !

Personally I think along the lines of Gandhi "An eye for an eye will make all the world blind!"

Revenge is not sweet, it just fuels more revenge which fuels more revenge which fuels more revenge etc...

BTW like the controversy surrounding Hitler, did Osama ever pull the trigger ? What I mean by this is did he ever physically kill anybody? 

Metta Zenda

Rules of Engagement included only taking OBL alive if he was naked. Otherwise there would have been no way of knowing if he wasn't wearing some form of suicide vest/belt.

Also seems that he hadn't left the same room, for over five years. That according to the wife that he threw towards our SEAL team.

Quote from: Zenda on May 06, 2011, 02:11:23 AM


BTW like the controversy surrounding Hitler, did Osama ever pull the trigger ? What I mean by this is did he ever physically kill anybody? 

Metta Zenda

I was on a jury in a first degree murder case.  The man charged never pulled the trigger, but he hired someone to do it.  The trigger man testified against his boss for a lesser charge.  The man we tried was found guilty and was sentenced to life in prison.  In the US as in most other countries, the one who hired the hitman is just as guilty as if he pulled the trigger himself.
  Joelene

I'm not sure about this post so feel free to comment. It is not meant to be argumentative or nasty BTW.

My personal opinions about bin Laden's killing are on the thread and I stand by them.

What gets me is that this was a total set up. They knew where he was and went in with probably the world's best assault team. Brave men all, and I mean that. They were wearing cameras and night goggles and were recording stuff in real time. It was being viewed by the head of the CIA and the President of the USA, and no doubt others. Once reported the story keeps changing. Why?  He used a wife as a shield, yes/no. He was armed, yes/no. He had weapons in reach, yes/no. He had not left the compound for five years so they knew he was there five years ago?

I'm in no way trying to be rude to the people who have suffered from this person. But many people in his part of the world have suffered from USA foreign policy in appalling ways. Visit a Palestinian refugee camp. You will very quickly ( if you live) find out why the USA is hated by these people.

People compare this person to Hitler, no one has brought up Stalin or the North Korean nut, or other evil nuts who  kill their people. I lost a friend in 9/11. I know many of you lost more than that. I've had friends killed in IRA terrorist attacks while having a quiet drink in a pub. I understand the HELL of a terrorist attack

We are not tackling the problem. I'm sorry to say this, and I hope I do not lose friends; But I do not think this person was evil, he was waging war in the only way he could. Yes he was willing to kill innocent people and did. He was willing to use unprovoked attacks, and did. People suffer and die. And yes great and awful sins were committed. But to wage war against the USA, how do you do it? (Read by the way the War of the Flea)

But 'we' have been and are doing the same. Does an Afghanistan woman cry for her baby any differently? Was her labour and love and acceptance any different to yours?  Does a Pakistani woman think that killing her family is OK because a USA drone missile missed its target and killed her family, but we said sorry, so that's OK.?  So when someone in Pakistan accidentally lets off a drone missile in California and destroys a shopping centre that's OK? Whoops Sorry. But It's a fight against terror. We make mistakes but we fill in corrective action reports.

Have a think. What is American foreign policy in the middle east? Do you know? Are you even interested? What Western country has the longest established and most politically critical relationships with middle east countries? The USA is seen as an enemy by many middle east countries, and dare I say it one of the reasons is how little concern you put into your political system.


I think many people in many democracies will suggest that USA foreign policy is driven by big business (BB). When BB can cause a country to go to war that is not good. But it gets worse, Mr Trump was reported asy said 'If we want Libya's oil we should just go and get it' . Now that is what Hitler 's foreign policy was.

Sorry
Ranting but feels good.

And of course I'm open to debate

Cindy