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Started by inneedofhelp, June 15, 2011, 10:15:07 PM

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inneedofhelp

So, I'm a male currently dating an f/m.  I met him (call him N) while he was dating a girl (call her J).  This was before N realized that he wasn't actually a she, they were together for 7 years, and to add to the impending ->-bleeped-<--storm, they were each others first.  Fast-forward a few years.  N and J live with me in the same apartment, N and J are both getting more miserable as J is unable to adjust to this new piece of information (the transgender).  J knows N likes me, and has said on multiple occasions that she's ok with it.  N and J both decide to break up.  J says it's ok for us to me and N to date.  We start dating, and now it turns out that J can't deal with life without that "dating" title.  I'm stuck in the middle, because I love N with all my heart, I care dearly for J, and N still loves J, the love has just altered form.  I have no ->-bleeped-<-ing clue what to do, and it hurts.
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cynthialee

In this case the fact that someone in the triangle is trans has absoulty no bearing.

You are in a classic love triangle. You need to get the 3rd party out of your romantic relationship first and foremost. You can only keep one of them. Fate has put you in a pickle. Now you just need to figure out the one you need in your life. Personaly I always err on the side of my heart.

having been in a few triangles I think I can safely say there will be no easy clean way out of this. It will be messy and it will hurt.

I wish you the best possible of outcomes.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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tekla

The French solution would be to just have a ménage à trois, that way everyone's happy. 
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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cynthialee

Quote from: tekla on June 15, 2011, 10:45:21 PM
The French solution would be to just have a ménage à trois, that way everyone's happy.
I thought of that but I don't know everyone involved morality issues so I just assumed the standard issue american morals set.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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tekla

It's only kinky the first time.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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spacial

A 3 way is a nice idea but it won't work.

This needs a different perspective.

J dumps N. N goes to i on the rebound. i is thrilled at the prospect of dating a lesbian with the possibility of N appearing as a really cute boy, sometime soon, so extra forbidden love.

J changes her mind. N never wanted to be dumped anyway and wants to go back to J. But i doesn't really want to give up the prospect of how he's hoping N will peform in the future.

Now, this might be a rather cynical perspective, but realistically, unless i has the maturity to walk away, all three are in for a whole lot of misery.

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cynthialee

I dont know about that Spacial.
Sevan and I came togather as the result of a triangle.
It wasn't pretty and hearts were broken but the two of us are strong as steel.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Da Monkey

Quote from: cynthialee on June 15, 2011, 10:40:46 PM
In this case the fact that someone in the triangle is trans has absoulty no bearing.

It sounds like it does a little since:

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J is unable to adjust to this new piece of information (the transgender)

So that may have pushed her enough to end it off with N in the first place but maybe now she is more open to the idea? Or maybe she just needs to be in a relationship.

Are you guys all still living together?
The story is the same, I've just personalized the name.
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spacial

Quote from: cynthialee on June 16, 2011, 09:34:48 AM
I dont know about that Spacial.
Sevan and I came togather as the result of a triangle.
It wasn't pretty and hearts were broken but the two of us are strong as steel.

I don't doubt there are exceptions. And you and Sevan are certainly one of the better ones. (Though I didn't, until now, know anything about your background. I presume you are not still involved in a 3 way. But if you are and it's working, then you will surely admit that that is unusual).

I was atempting to offer a different prespectrive. I may be wrong.

But taking this perspective a little differently, N is caught in the middle between J an i. At the end of the day, the question is how N will jump. i seems to be working on the basis that he needs to make a decision. But it's N that will decide this one, assuming both J and i both want to continue their relationship.

I appreciate that 3 ways might work, though I think it's highly unlikely.
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kate durcal

lesson learn in jail: sex works for more than two, love only two, right "jailbirds" ?
Kate. D
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cynthialee

Spacial,
We are just a couple but we are always open to a third if the Goddess shoul dein to bless us with a third.

And you are completely right. It is the exception to the rule that triangles work. I was meerly pointing out the fact that exceptions exist.
I think that people are too quick to dismiss the chance of a rare outcome because it is easier to just work within known established norms.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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spacial

You may be right cynthia.
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inneedofhelp

Hey guys, sorry it's been so long, but I had to stay with a friend for a couple of days, and they didn't have internet.  I'd also like to thank you all for your concern and advice, I appreciate it all. 
Also, I'm sorry for the lack of information, but I made this account and that post right when it happened, so I was a little messed up.  First, N and myself love each other.  I could care less
what happens with N's gender, except for the relevance that it bears to N's happiness.  Yes, we still live together.  J's only other option is a psychopathic mother, and my only other option is
homelessness (at this point in time, anyway).  I think that what happened is actually for everyone's betterment, since N and J were both literally and figuratively tearing each other to pieces
(and they'd both acknowledged the fact).I don't feel bad for what I did, I feel bad for what it did to J.  If it comes down to hard choices, I want what N wants, whatever that happens to be.
A threesome wouldn't help, as J is actively repulsed by penis.  Again, thank you all for your help.  I appreciate the advice and will do my best to take it to heart.  I'll keep checking the thread
to see if anyone else has anything to say.
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kate durcal

Best wishes for a quick and happy resolution.

Kate D
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