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Sexual fetishist? There are no words for how offensive this is.

Quote from: Magickbear on June 19, 2011, 01:39:05 PM
Sexual fetishist? There are no words for how offensive this is.

Well some people believe their is such a thing. That is always relative to who is believing it. Personally i have met some transgendered people who are very very sexual and well to me they seem a type of fetish but to another they may seem as a healthy sexual active person. I do know i was prior to transitioning a type of fetish driven person. However, afterwards i have eve'volved into a very non sexual person. Then there are those who are healthy sexually both before and after transitioning.

Quote from: M2MtF2FtM on June 19, 2011, 02:59:12 PM
Well some people believe their is such a thing. That is always relative to who is believing it. Personally i have met some transgendered people who are very very sexual and well to me they seem a type of fetish but to another they may seem as a healthy sexual active person. I do know i was prior to transitioning a type of fetish driven person. However, afterwards i have eve'volved into a very non sexual person. Then there are those who are healthy sexually both before and after transitioning.

I get that but labeling transpeople with genuine problems being seen as they are as mere sexual fetishists? Low man. 

WTH? The only mentally disordered people here are those scientists! Do they really think we have sexual fetishs? They just want to gain the attention of the media and make money off of false diagnostics! Morons...

i do have my sexual fetishes, but none of them related to gender or clothing. well, at least not clothing on my own person

no wonder i never trusted those shrinks. i often fear one of my friends is right in her fear that all they do is try to plot us in on an already drawn out map, instead of making a good map of each of us as they should do if they wanted to understand. my own landscape is unique

What offends me is that you can be trans, but the minute you're trans and gay your identity is no longer valid. You're not trans, all you are is a sexual deviant.

I'll be the first to admit, I have a lot of fetishes But how I dress and act in everyday life isn't a fetish, it's my identity, who I am. The only thing being trans has to do with my sex life is the way it stops me from having one.

Quote from: MaxAloysius on June 19, 2011, 07:05:15 PM
What offends me is that you can be trans, but the minute you're trans and gay your identity is no longer valid. You're not trans, all you are is a sexual deviant.

This. How does my sexual orientation make the way I identify any less valid? What about cisgendered folk, if any of this were true shouldn't this apply to them as well?

I guess gender is so heavily sexualised in our culture that it's almost impossible for some people not to associate gender with sexuality in their minds. It seems to be the 2nd thing people always want to ask me when I tell them I'm transitioning: "so... are you into men or women?"

(the first thing is always "so... are you going to get it chopped off?" to which I reply "Good heavens, no, I'm going to get it turned inside out and grow potatoes in it..." )

Quote from: silverarrow on June 19, 2011, 03:42:58 PM
WTH? The only mentally disordered people here are those scientists! Do they really think we have sexual fetishs? They just want to gain the attention of the media and make money off of false diagnostics! Morons...

Careful how you use the word scientist. There's very little science in the cult of psychiatry.

Ahh the muddy waters of transgender psychiatry.

There was a deep polarization in the 60's when the basic psychiatric text was written by  (my words) a ->-bleeped-<- psychiatrist. He explained the whole notion of being a CD, TG, or TS as a condition to relate to woman
by cross dressing. He acknowledged that some men would want to take their desire further. Even to a point of castration and living in female clothing. He could not acknowledge or understand ->-bleeped-<-.
My personal opinion is that he was polarised by his own fetish. Something I have no concern with. His book had poorly detailed stories of men living as woman (his words) which are border line pornography.
He had no concept of FtM BTW.
The field has not travelled much further.
My psychiatrist is about one of one in my city who specialises in gender identity problems ( we don't have therapists). He is totally professional and understands the condition and is awesome. But why only one in my city?
Because most psychiatrist are not interested or do not understand?

The terminology in this post is based upon the original texts and not meant to be insulting.

Cindy

"Good heavens, no, I'm going to get it turned inside out and grow potatoes in it..."  Nearly wet myself!!! Thanks Padma.

If these jokers, are such wizbang experts, why haven't their methods become the common treatment everywhere else?  And who asked them to chair these panels? Their mates no doubt.   Why are we relying on a book from overseas anyway.  If you ask me American society needs treatment not a few transsexuals and others.

An extremely stroppy Karen.

Quote from: MaxAloysius on June 19, 2011, 07:05:15 PM
What offends me is that you can be trans, but the minute you're trans and gay your identity is no longer valid. You're not trans, all you are is a sexual deviant.

I'll be the first to admit, I have a lot of fetishes But how I dress and act in everyday life isn't a fetish, it's my identity, who I am. The only thing being trans has to do with my sex life is the way it stops me from having one.

Those two DR's are probably mad because they can't get in our pants.. damn perverts

Quote from: Asfsd4214 on June 20, 2011, 02:39:53 AM
Careful how you use the word scientist. There's very little science in the cult of psychiatry.

Sorry, I wasn't focused on my wording! I mean no offense to scientists, where would we be without them? (no microwaves o.o lol) Sorry, I don't think before I talk/type. >.<

Quote from: Padma on June 20, 2011, 02:35:07 AM
(the first thing is always "so... are you going to get it chopped off?" to which I reply "Good heavens, no, I'm going to get it turned inside out and grow potatoes in it..." )

Quote from: MaxAloysius on June 19, 2011, 07:05:15 PM
What offends me is that you can be trans, but the minute you're trans and gay your identity is no longer valid. You're not trans, all you are is a sexual deviant.

Wasn't that taken out of the DSM IV? 

Although I am against transphobia (obviously), I am not offended by Gender Identity Disorder being in the DSM-(insert version). In order to obtain medical intervention on something, there has to be a reason. To me it is not saying that being transgendered is a pathology, but that the dysphoria caused by the mismatching gender is the pathology. Whether or not that was the intention for including it in the DSM, I don't know.

There are people who are autogynophiliacs, but that is completely separate from being transgendered. Although both involve dressing in "cross gender" clothing (physical gender, that is), they should not be lumped together. It is a clear sign of ignorance and bias when mental health professionals lump these two concepts together, since mental health professionals are well aware of the differences. Whether or not they "agree" should not be a consideration into this.

Quote from: hexr on June 22, 2011, 04:38:17 PM
Although I am against transphobia (obviously), I am not offended by Gender Identity Disorder being in the DSM-(insert version). In order to obtain medical intervention on something, there has to be a reason. To me it is not saying that being transgendered is a pathology, but that the dysphoria caused by the mismatching gender is the pathology. Whether or not that was the intention for including it in the DSM, I don't know.

There are people who are autogynophiliacs, but that is completely separate from being transgendered. Although both involve dressing in "cross gender" clothing (physical gender, that is), they should not be lumped together. It is a clear sign of ignorance and bias when mental health professionals lump these two concepts together, since mental health professionals are well aware of the differences. Whether or not they "agree" should not be a consideration into this.

Heck they could even cure some autogynophiliacs by giving them GRS