Okay here is a short clip of my voice.  Would you read me as female with this voice or male?

http://s852.photobucket.com/albums/ab86/Brody_81/?action=view&current=VoiceCheck1.mp4

male, male, male and male 

young male but male nonetheless

I also like your accent, where are you from?

You sound male, but not so definitively male that if other things about your presentation were questionable, it would automatically rule out your gender being female, to be honest.   For example, you sound young enough that if I saw you in a context that a teen boy wouldn't be likely to be in, I'd potentially question it, because there are females with lower voices.  Don't worry, my voice is similarly 'iffy' right now, and I think sometimes it's what gets me read incorrectly.

You sound exactly like a male friend of mine. It's on the higher range but I probably would not question it.

Thank you and thank you. I'm from ny.

Where are you from? Maybe I have an accent to you b/c of where your from?  I never thought of myself as having an accent, but it's cool when people think I do.

Quote from: Bahzi on August 04, 2011, 10:30:28 PM
You sound male, but not so definitively male that if other things about your presentation were questionable, it would automatically rule out your gender being female, to be honest.   For example, you sound young enough that if I saw you in a context that a teen boy wouldn't be likely to be in, I'd potentially question it, because there are females with lower voices.  Don't worry, my voice is similarly 'iffy' right now, and I think sometimes it's what gets me read incorrectly.

Thanks. My presentation wasn't female at all. I'm thinking it was my height that gave me away b/c she kept asking me if I wanted a cart to carry my 20 cans of coke zero, and I kept telling her, "no, I got it". I think she thought I was too small to carry that out to my car, like it was too heavy for me to carry.

Quote from: insideontheoutside on August 04, 2011, 10:41:18 PM
You sound exactly like a male friend of mine. It's on the higher range but I probably would not question it.

Thank you.

yeah you do sound like a young male so congratulations, but i second what bahzi said. i don't think he meant presentation in that your clothes were female, but rather whether you overall passed as male.

i doubt that this is what your voice has sounded like since you were born so you HAVE had changes on t. you made it put as if nothing had happened. your voice is as low as some guys ever get with years of hrt.

It has male tonal qualities but it is in the higher of the male range and the very low of the female range. 

One of the things I was taught in my time on your side was boom it from the bottom of the lungs.  Maybe because T causes the voice box to grow and requires more air moving through it to make a sound.  I'm not sure.  But I do know the unmistakable male voice comes from deep in the lungs, at the solar plexus.  When you feel your chest vibrate, you got it.

Quote from: RyanThomas on August 04, 2011, 10:58:51 PM
yeah you do sound like a young male so congratulations, but i second what bahzi said. i don't think he meant presentation in that your clothes were female, but rather whether you overall passed as male.

i doubt that this is what your voice has sounded like since you were born so you HAVE had changes on t. you made it put as if nothing had happened. your voice is as low as some guys ever get with years of hrt.

Thanks. Yeah, I wasn't acting feminine at all. I'm not really sure how I would do that?

I don't notice changes much, people have to point them out to me. Everyone keeps telling me I look exactly the same except my hair is shorter, that's what makes me look different... the shorter hair. I mean, I notice little things like hair. I paranoid about hair in certain places, so I'm always shaving body hair. There's not much, but I'm constantly shaving so I can't see it come in.

I feel as if my voice is not as deep as other guys who have been on T for less than 6 months... their voices seem a lot deeper than mine. I hope my voice gets deeper.

Quote from: Julie Marie on August 04, 2011, 11:13:17 PM
One of the things I was taught in my time on your side was boom it from the bottom of the lungs. 

What does that mean?

To be honest , to me it sounds female for now, but a very low female voice, sort of like a middle-aged or older woman. However, I think that when it deepens more it will sound male so I don't think you need to worry too much either!

You sound more deep then me  haha trust me its already at a good place

I think you sound like a young dude.
It's a tad androgynous/high-ish, but I'd assume male.
My voice is higher on occasion, but I still get sir'd.

Quote from: Julie Marie on August 04, 2011, 11:13:17 PM
Maybe because T causes the voice box to grow and requires more air moving through it to make a sound.

On T, the larynx doesn't actually grow. Only the vocal chords thicken.

I think you sound like a young guy. Especially with your accent, you remind me of Jack in Newsies. Have you ever seen that movie?

Quote from: Dominick_81 on August 04, 2011, 10:45:13 PM
Thank you and thank you. I'm from ny.

Where are you from? Maybe I have an accent to you b/c of where your from?  I never thought of myself as having an accent, but it's cool when people think I do.

no worries dude and I'm from the UK 

Quote from: apple pie on August 05, 2011, 01:17:30 AM
To be honest , to me it sounds female for now, but a very low female voice, sort of like a middle-aged or older woman. However, I think that when it deepens more it will sound male so I don't think you need to worry too much either!

Thanks for your honesty, I appropriate it. Hopefully soon it will get deeper.

Quote from: El Capitan on August 05, 2011, 10:23:18 AM
no worries dude and I'm from the UK 

Cool.

Quote from: Jeh on August 05, 2011, 08:20:36 AM
On T, the larynx doesn't actually grow. Only the vocal chords thicken.

I think you sound like a young guy. Especially with your accent, you remind me of Jack in Newsies. Have you ever seen that movie?

Thanks.  Surprisingly, I haven't seen it. I've seen little bits and pieces of it, but not the whole movie.


@LilKittyCatZoey @Silas: Thanks guys.


Thank you everyone for the replies.

You sound androgynous to me--higher end of male range or lower end of female range.

It's not just about how deep your voice is, though. There are other factors like inflection, sibilance, degree of hesitation, stuff like that. With a short clip, it's hard to tell.

The good news about voice: many of us have significant vocal changes well after the six-month mark. For example, I had a tenor that acquired a bit more depth and a bit more and then went into full baritone range after about sixteen or seventeen months on T. So it can happen. I was on a "full dose," so that tends to work changes faster than a smaller dose (I don't know what your dose is--PM me if you want to compare dosages).

Some guys just take longer than other guys. You can't rush Mother Nature...oh, wait, I forgot. Some people would say that we're messing around with Nature in the first place. I guess we are.

Sorry, dude; I hear a female voice. Yes, it's raspy. Yes, it's low. But that, combined with your height, is probably what's causing your passing problems. The good thing about this is that for me, and for most guys I've heard talk about it, that raspy stage is just before the first real drop. Depending upon your age and genetics, it's possible it's just taking its old sweet time. Does your dad have a low voice? Did it change early, or did he have a late puberty? How about any brothers (same questions)? My little brother had facial hair at 12, so it didn't surprise me that that was the first thing to come in for me. As far as voice, I don't know when his started changing, but he's a baritone at age 21, so I didn't expect a bass voice (though most people tell me that's what I got).

It may be that in your family, guys have a slower time of puberty. Maybe your voice will drop tomorrow; maybe it'll drop in 6 months. However, unless all the men in your family are falsettos (lol), your voice WILL drop. As far as I'm aware, androgen insensitivity syndrome only occurs in XY males/females. Your T levels could be too low or too high, which could cause changes to occur more slowly, or it could just be a fluke. Either way, it will happen, even if it requires the aid of a doctor.

Male, younger, 14-18 y/o, NY, City? Upstate? Sounds City, one of the Boroughs? Question, for us MTF's there are "voice programs", how about "yoose" guys? Do you do voice training or rely only on the T? Might want to try using a Spectrogram program, Male range is 123 to 220 (high), you would be able to see it.There's are also some Spectrogram programs available online, this one is free, its on Andrea James Genderlife site;

http://www.genderlife.com/products-page/voicetuto

Quote from: Arch on August 05, 2011, 08:25:35 PM
You sound androgynous to me--higher end of male range or lower end of female range.

It's not just about how deep your voice is, though. There are other factors like inflection, sibilance, degree of hesitation, stuff like that. With a short clip, it's hard to tell.

The good news about voice: many of us have significant vocal changes well after the six-month mark. For example, I had a tenor that acquired a bit more depth and a bit more and then went into full baritone range after about sixteen or seventeen months on T. So it can happen. I was on a "full dose," so that tends to work changes faster than a smaller dose (I don't know what your dose is--PM me if you want to compare dosages).

That's good to know after 6 months voice will change significantly.

QuoteSome guys just take longer than other guys. You can't rush Mother Nature...oh, wait, I forgot. Some people would say that we're messing around with Nature in the first place. I guess we are.

lol.

Quote from: SandraJane on August 06, 2011, 06:36:06 AM
Male, younger, 14-18 y/o, NY, City? Upstate? Sounds City, one of the Boroughs? Question, for us MTF's there are "voice programs", how about "yoose" guys? Do you do voice training or rely only on the T? Might want to try using a Spectrogram program, Male range is 123 to 220 (high), you would be able to see it.There's are also some Spectrogram programs available online, this one is free, its on Andrea James Genderlife site;

http://www.genderlife.com/products-page/voicetuto

I'm upstate. I don't do any voice training. I just rely on the T. Though sometimes I'm tempted to deepen my voice when talking to people so it sounds deeper and more male. But then I think, does it sound natural? I don't wanna sound weird.

Quote from: Luc on August 06, 2011, 01:25:24 AM
Sorry, dude; I hear a female voice. Yes, it's raspy. Yes, it's low. But that, combined with your height, is probably what's causing your passing problems. The good thing about this is that for me, and for most guys I've heard talk about it, that raspy stage is just before the first real drop. Depending upon your age and genetics, it's possible it's just taking its old sweet time. Does your dad have a low voice? Did it change early, or did he have a late puberty? How about any brothers (same questions)? My little brother had facial hair at 12, so it didn't surprise me that that was the first thing to come in for me. As far as voice, I don't know when his started changing, but he's a baritone at age 21, so I didn't expect a bass voice (though most people tell me that's what I got).

It may be that in your family, guys have a slower time of puberty. Maybe your voice will drop tomorrow; maybe it'll drop in 6 months. However, unless all the men in your family are falsettos (lol), your voice WILL drop. As far as I'm aware, androgen insensitivity syndrome only occurs in XY males/females. Your T levels could be too low or too high, which could cause changes to occur more slowly, or it could just be a fluke. Either way, it will happen, even if it requires the aid of a doctor.

It's okay. Hopefully it will deepen soon. I think my voice gets deeper by the month as my counselor always tells me my voice sounds deeper every time I see her.

Not sure about my dad... no brothers. It's possible my T levels are too low or too high. But last check in Feb. they were in the normal male range she said. But I do think I am on a lower dosage than most people.

Wow, your little brother had facial hair at 12? Did that bother him having facial hair that young?

you sound like a young teenage boy to me. i know a guy who sounds a lot like you but he is 13.