Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on August 07, 2011, 03:49:05 AM
HRT sounds so boring. =.=

+1 

Quote from: LilKittyCatZoey on August 07, 2011, 03:55:15 AM
bring on twilight lol 

Yeah!! +2  (LOL)

Quote from: Asfsd4214 on August 07, 2011, 04:02:23 AM
"Women don't like violence" is a gender stereotype people. Real people, real life people, come in all kinds of personality types.

And it's hard to attribute causes. But please don't make out that it's 'unfemale' to be violent. It's a stereotype.

+XD , exactly

Do you ever see guys cry in a movie? No

I do.  I see other guys cry at art/theater/music stuff all the time.  When we did the big rally scene for Milk almost everyone out there was crying, and we were just staging it.

Quote from: Audrey Jo Taylor on August 07, 2011, 12:21:56 AM
So, I went to see Rise of the Planet of the Apes tonight and one thing I noticed is that my aversion to violence seems to have intensified... to the point where I really don't want to watch anything with violence in it for a good, long while. Things like that never really bothered me before, but now, it's almost.. I don't know. Painful, or something. I was wondering if anyone has noticed an increase in aversion to watching violence since starting HRT?

I've noticed that a number of movies have incorporated a lot more gore over the past 20 years (as noted elsewhere, I began HRT a long time ago) and I was never a fan of gratuitous blood and gore just for the sake of it being on the screen...my aversion to most modern movies is more related to the fact that a majority are pure crap and that I am not going to pay ten bucks or whatever the ticket price is to watch a remake of something that sucked twenty and thirty years ago.  I'm not sure I would sit through a remake of M*A*S*H* even though I loved the original movie and even the first few seasons of the series that spun from the movie...I just know the directors would ->-bleeped-<- it up. 

And to link to the OP, the original PoA was good...the first sequel or two were a 'meh' but now that they want to resurrect it again, it is like FInal Destination part 83 or whatever number they are on.  Some things are just best left to die a quiet death...

perhaps I should also add that I am a little jaded when it comes to blood and guts simply because of the number of crime scene photos I have had to view through the years... 

really, the "manly" men who choose to repress their emotions are just weaker than most women, and the more "feminine" men who will let them flow. for one thing, i am a girl, but i'm pretty uncomfortable with emotions. i fear emotions like sadness and fear itself. i have a tendency to try and leave it behind, but it takes it's toll on me when i do so. in fact, there was one part of my life where i was very anxious and obsessive. i couldn't sleep or eat. having a 30 minute crying spell seemed to bring me back to normal.

I personally agree to both sides of thought: The general idea that HRT has shifted enjoyments from violence, and then Asfds's opinion that it's personality-oriented.  The male body seems more oriented towards combat-capability, (muscular development, larger size) so I personally think that to an end men are more "Yay!" about making big noises and excessive violence just over being men.  Given that testosterone is associated with male development, I feel convinced that the brain's designed to work with it too to help motivate itself to such ends.  ---However, men and women are both quite simply human, so all the 'manly' instincts and 'womanly' instincts are inherit in any guy/girl, the ends are just varied to be 'appropriate'...and on top of it someone is always who they are before they're male or female.
So all-in-all, I think the idea that changing the chemicals in your brain will play with your drive a little bit on its own, but at the same time a more severe level probably comes from re-evaluating how one acts to realign with their active identity of physical sex.

For me, personally, I haven't noticed any change, but I'm really early into my transition and in the first place I already get turned away by realistic gore and loud noises. XD

I have never liked violence since I was little, but I never considered (and still don't consider) that it's because of my gender. I wouldn't like it anyway because I think it is just stupid. However, I do agree that the average male is more inclined towards violence. There are countless males who aren't, but on average they are.

I think to a large degree the 'emotionless guy' is not a historical truth, but rather a very specific anomaly.  It was specifically the generation that grew up in the Depression who then had to go off and fight in Europe and the Pacific who really were kind of distanced from their feelings and emotions as a basic survival mechanism for getting through all that.  (Good thing too, or else we'd be writing in German.)  It's just that that one generation stood so large over the last half the last century that it was the only thing a lot of people saw.

Quote from: Axélle on August 07, 2011, 07:49:44 AM
Isn't it at least one accepted fact that T as opposed to E will have a different "emotional filter".

Do you ever see guys cry in a movie? No

Do you see females cry? Yes

1) The feminine by nature, is nurturing and supportive.
And let's please, PLEASE, can all those exceptions.
Exceptions will only confirm the rule.

2) The male by nature is acquisitive and goal oriented. (Hunting the mammoth)

And in this case Milage will Not Vary, sorry.

Why do I think of differences in orgasms now...?

In any case, the female runs on E, and so do most of us.
Nurturing and supportive DOES NOT SPELL LIKE VIOLENCE - unless you start to threaten her offsprings or some such.

Violence in movies is fodder for repressed T aggression, prevented to express it self.
'Young guns' by nature pine for domination and that spells VIOLENCE.
Easy peasy...

It is obviously what nature had in mind for E and T and so we have to get by with it.
Acquisitive and goal orientation BTW makes the male sexy to the female --- up to a point, that is.
Let's not get into the violence of rape. It is of course all connected.

Axelle

What a bunch of sterotyped crap, but then old people are always saying stupid backwards stuff aren't they?


Yes I was being ironic, no I wasn't serious (ok not entirely).

Yes I see men crying in movies, I also see women being violent. And unless you believe in god (and being an old person you probably do... oh wait there's that stereotyping again), nature doesn't have anything in mind.

Sorry for the hostile post, but I thought you might like to see the negative intolerance stereotypes breed. 

That and you kinda implied that as a female I'm not allowed to like violent movies, and that by having violence movies automatically loose any artistic merit, and I'm a big fan of Fight Club. 

The fastest growing category of violent crime are those involving girls/women aged 15-25 as the attacker.

Asfsd4214
honey, seems you mostly believe into the exceptions to the rule - which tends to prove them, eh.

1) Now the above statement will also be crap because it comes  from an old person (me).

2) Yes I was being ironic, no I wasn't serious (ok not entirely).

Also have no idea what God would have to do with all that this?!

Now please go see 1) followed by 2) once again.

Don't know what's your case really, who said ANTHING of not being ALLOWED to watch violence?!
By my guest babe.

Eh... what we have here is failure to communicate...

Now let me go cry some more about being so misunderstood.

Love conquers all.
Kiss, kiss,
Axelle

Quote from: tekla on August 10, 2011, 01:25:57 AM
The fastest growing category of violent crime are those involving girls/women aged 15-25 as the attacker.

Wondering where you got that from Tekla...



Figure 1 Table. Past Year Violent Behaviors among Females Aged 12 to 17: 2002 to 2004 and 2006 to 2008 Violent Behavior    2002 to 2004    2006 to 2008
Got into a Serious Fight at School or Work    18.3%    18.6%
Took Part in a Group-against-Group Fight    15.0%    14.1%
Attacked Others with the Intent to Seriously Hurt Them      6.0%      5.7%
Source: 2002 to 2004 and 2006 to 2008 SAMHSA National Surveys on Drug Use and Health (NSDUHs).
http://oas.samhsa.gov/2k9/171/171FemaleViolence.htm


Maybe its more than T & E, but some other molecules as well.

The fights in school I normally hear about are between girls.

My Sister once taught at a large inner city Middle School, the only fights she ever had to breakup were the girls.

The fastest growing category of violent crime are those involving girls/women aged 15-25 as the attacker.

I've noticed this trend as well... Some girls even younger have attacked people because they know they can get away with it... They have learned how to "work the system" to their advantage, carrying out violent attacks and then acting all Innocent

Quote from: V M on August 10, 2011, 05:08:06 AM
The fastest growing category of violent crime are those involving girls/women aged 15-25 as the attacker.

I've noticed this trend as well... Some girls even younger have attacked people because they know they can get away with it... They have learned how to "work the system" to their advantage, carrying out violent attacks and then acting all Innocent

Its true girls can say the man attacked her so she protected herself who are we to say shes lying if she seems genuine...... here in lies the problem some womyn are using the fact that men usually are the cause to get away with it but hey a few rotten eggs wont change the system.  Never would of guessed girls cause more fights because in my schools their hasnt been a single fight involving a girl in 5 years yet boys fight weekly but hay different area's different people 

Well Zoey lives in this part of the world as I do. It may have to do with those different perceptions.

Unless nature by some mutation now has in mind, to make more and more females into territorial bitches?

If we look into the wild in Africa we of course see territorial females, but that is not the rule by far.

What if they get killed in a fight? Their offsprings will perish... not a good survival strategy, now is it?

BTW, we also not so far removed from such consequences IMHO.

Axelle

Not so much nature in this part of the world as the influence of drugs, gangs and fragmented life in large cities anywhere. Ethnicity plays a part too in the U.S., gangs!

SandraJane,
sounds just like some new version of the "wild" --- or back to caves if you wish.

3rd world slowly more civilized then the 1st? What a reversal of "progress"...

Thinking,
Axelle

You're right, I guess we think we are inventing something new. But the girls get caught up in the gang life also, like prison. Violence begets Violence.

* Violence begets Violence. *

That's it.
Some of our 'violence apostles' aught to take note.

It is not only in the physical practice of it, but also in one's 'mindset' i.e. 'digital based violence'
(have I just created a new word?:-)

Axelle