Hi everyone. I am intruding on the FTM forum to ask a question I think you guys have the best answer. Wide hips are a constant annoyance for you as broad shoulders are for MTFs, right? So even though it may not be the best topic to put you in good mood, I figured I would ask here. I'm sorry if I make you feel bad, reminding you of a piece you'd wish different.

To make a long story short, I am a 20-year-old MTF who has been trying to get the permission to transition from doctors for about two years, and hopes to start HRT before she is 21, next February.

Even though these last years, all aspects of me have only been worsening due to this psychiatrist's absurd refusal of anti-androgens and I really don't like my body, I guess I could qualify myself as lucky, since I am only 165 cm high, don't have that much of a deep voice and can actually pass already with a little tweaking. I have been asking myself for a while about my hips.

My hips look like they have some kind of widening, and I like that, but when I look closer into it, the widest part is actually where the legs are attached, and it looks like it's mostly made of muscle.

I know it's basically pointless, but I would like to know how feminine I can consider my hips anyway. I don't know why, but I would really want to know "how lucky I am".

I do not have anything to take pictures and show you, but that's where you come in. Whilst I have seen "female hips" in my life, those are probably very influenced by the fact those women have a female fat distribution pattern, and I'm certainly not going to go and feel how much fat there is and how big the bone is. o_o

Even though it's definitely bad news for you, you do have female-type hips, right? And the ones among you who are farther into transition and/or lucky should not have that much female hip fat to mask the actual bone.

So I would like to ask if a courageous guy among you, if possible as "similar to me", in terms of morphology and size, as possible, could please give me a good hip picture? It would be cool if you could do it under a few different angles and distances so that I can see. It would be ideal if the body shape was as visible as possible (light/tight clothes?), and I would like it if the belly button's position could be indicated, for me to see the approximate height, because one of my main concerns is about just where female hips are wider, and how much wider they are. Of course, the least fat there is, the more the bone is visible, the best it is, but anything would help.

I'm not asking just a girl because I don't know a lot of people and am shy, but over everything because I'm sure you guys have ever had weird questions like that too, and perhaps you understand how "important" silly things feel when they are related to gender identity.

For your information, a few physical characteristics.

-165 cm (below male average; above female average)
-150 lb (a medication had been making me lose weight, and it's good, but I tend to become heavier)
-Moderately "heavy"/"muscular" body type, but it's not that bad since I do very little exercise at all
-Rather small hands, but broad. Fingers would more or less pass as female, but the palm is huge.
-All bones and muscles tend to be quite thick, including arms, legs and neck.
-Shoulders are average according to male standards but still annoy me a lot.

I hope you guys can help me with this annoying internal questioning, and I also hope I don't make you feel too bad with your body with this thread.

I can't take any pictures as my camera is currently not working, but your description of your hips sounds like mine. The widest part of mine, by far, is where my legs are attached. I think one of the reasons is because I'm super scrawny, so I really don't have fat on my hips to make them look rounder, although I do have a poofy butt.    If your waist is skinny, than that will help make your hips look big and curvy by comparison.

Because of the way the rest of my torso is shaped, my hips come off as somewhere in between masculine and feminine. One of the biggest things to have your hips shaped the way you want is to have a trunk shape that helps it out. My mom has much bigger and rounder hips than I do, but her trunk is very blocky, so I end up looking curvier than she does (or at least I would if I wanted to).

If you're wanting to know,
-I'm 160 cm
-weigh about 116 lb.
-I'm skinny and have little fat and virtually no muscle
-I have ridiculously tiny hands even for someone of my height born female, but they're proportioned like men's hands
-Everything about me is slender, except my nose
- I have no idea what my shoulders are like.

I'm pretty sure I had read somewhere that females' hip bones are not actually wider than males' hip bones, it is just the fat that deposits there on females makes them look wider, not the actual bone. But I don't know if that's 100% true or not, like I said I only remember reading it somewhere.

Really? I knew the opening of the female pelvis was wider and certain other pretty obvious differences, but I thought the whole actual pelvis was not any larger in proportion to the body than the male's.

There definitely is a difference. I saw a comparison table, and there were minimums, averages and maximums for males and females. The male maximum was just a little higher than the female minimum. So there is quite a difference.

just the fat that deposits there on females makes them look wider, not the actual bone. But I don't know if that's 100% true or not, like I said I only remember reading it somewhere.[/b]
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well I dont think so, when you look at old sceletones the reason to jugde if its male or female is the hip bones (and other details) women got them because they should be able to have babies while men shouldnt,
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however the fat patterns make them look even bigger, I have only been on T for 3 mounths and I feel my shoulders are much wider than my hips.

I might could show you mine, unlike many trans guys I actually dont hate my hips that much, the only thing I hate about them is they make my ass look so big -__-

hmmm well let me see ok yea i am 166.4cm and 114 lbs and well yea  i had just below the women's minimum but have a girls figure because of my thin waist my hips looked well as big as a girls. and well mind are biggest just below my waist. i think the key is fat around your hips and like thin waist to have those female hips my hands are also short but wide and i am considered to be small frame for both girl or boy so maybe not the best to compare with:)

I'm pretty close to your measurements.


-163cm

-150lb, can vary +/- 5 lbs.  Currently 143lbs, but just had surgery.

-According to wrist circumference (6.5"), I have a 'large' body frame for a female and a 'medium' frame for a male.  That measurement takes into account bone thickness vs. height and adjusts for sex: http://www.healthstatus.com/calculate/fsz.  It's probably not the most scientific thing ever, but it gives a rough idea of build.

-Fingers are short, but my palm is broad.  It looks broad in proportion to my fingers.  I don't think most people scrutinize hands, anyways.

-Shoulders?  I don't think they were all that wide pre-T, though I remember I needed L/XL for female shirts (Junior sizes) and the shoulders still stretched.  Somewhere during the first year of T, I started outgrowing some of my favorite (male, but small) shirts--the implication being that you may lose upper body muscle while on HRT, just as I gained it.


I've been tracking my transition since the beginning.  Check the 'Just for Us' section for pics: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,104223.0.html.  I have front and back shots of me from when I was pre-T/early-T and when I was 26 months on T.  I'm currently at 31 months, but I don't think I've changed much in 7 months other than losing some weight.

Thank you. Looking at those pictures, I think I was right, partly, in stating that I am lucky. If I look at your pictures, I see my maximum "hip" width is pretty much equal to yours (where the legs "attach", making a little bump on your after pictures) : If I draw a vertical line, it goes to my underarms. Where I can't fool myself, though is on the actual hip bone, above that bump. Yours curve until the waist is reached, whilst mine actually draw straight lines before they stop at the waist. But there is hope, since the "upper" part of your hips had quite a bit of fat on them, making them rounder.

Thank you for enlightening me!

You're welcome.

I'd agree that there's hope that a bit of fat can round things out for you.  That 'curve to the waist' you mention in the 'after' photos is still fat, not bone contour.  I can pull the fat out of the way and what it looks like leads me to believe that I can achieve a straight line similar to what you have now.  So, hope for both of us