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Is transsexualism a test from God?

Started by xXRebeccaXx, August 26, 2011, 12:54:36 PM

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xXRebeccaXx

Even in death, may I be triumphant.
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xXRebeccaXx

Even in death, may I be triumphant.
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wheat thins are delicious

I don't really see what you are getting at here.  Are you saying if you "truly believed" you would overcome your "unnatural sickness of transsexualism" or something like that? 


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Annah

Quote from: xxScarletxx on August 26, 2011, 12:54:36 PM
Think about that...

No, i do not find it a test.

I find it to be a gift.  And a gift can come in all shapes and sizes. You can also hate a gift or throw it away. Some may embrace the gift.

I find it to be a gift and I embrace it.

I can also honestly say that not many people have experienced both Genders. I have experienced both. No one can ever tell me that was not a gift.
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LifeInNeon

Full disclosure, I'm not a person of faith but I was raised in a very devout family.

The Bible never addresses the matter, and where it gets close, you have to do some pretty creative linguistic gymnastics to apply it. The closest it gets for trans women is eunuchs, but there is no concept of treating them as women so it's tough to see how one would interpret it, and which also means it is 100% silent on the topic of trans men because women were either virgins, wives, or whores, and any other qualities (like particularly masculine inclinations) were too trivial to mention.

Rather than spend any time pointing out the inconsistencies in the morality of the Bible to an unreceptive audience, I'll at least point out that there is one leader of a congregation who makes a case for being supportive:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-rich-rose/transgendered-sister-christ_b_934102.html

Also, as an ex-Catholic, I know that the position of the church (that they really don't mention unless they absolutely have to) is that if you have a moral conviction that the chuch got something wrong, you should not follow the church doctrine because it was made by man (and thus by their reasoning it very well could be wrong). So if you're "right with God" on being trans, it doesn't matter if the church says it's wrong. It may cause issues with the local bishop, which is just annoying as hell(as anyone who has tangled with a bishop knows), but it shouldn't cause a crisis of faith.
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cynthialee

I think so.

How can God/dess trust us to be true to him/her if we can not even be true to ourselves?
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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tekla

Is transsexualism a test from God?
a) true/false, multiple choice, or essay?
b) when is it due?
c) what a passing grade?
d) can I retake the test if I do poorly on it?


A test of our faith to see if we truly believe.
Why then would it strike atheists, agnostics, and people who believe in completely different religions?

FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Amazon D

yes its a test. A test to see if OTHER people can still love the person and not just the outer shell.

1 Samuel 16 which begins with the story of God instructing the prophet to go to Jesse's house to find the man who would replace Saul as king. Quickly I scanned the familiar story to find verses 6 and 7.



When they came, he looked on Eliab and thought, "Surely the Lord's anointed is now before the Lord." But the Lord said to Samuel, "Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him; for the Lord does not see as mortals see; they look on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart." (New Revised Standard Version)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+16&version=NIV


7 But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."
I'm an Amazon womyn + very butch + respecting MWMF since 1999 unless invited. + I AM A HIPPIE

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xXRebeccaXx

Quote from: tekla on August 26, 2011, 03:55:12 PM
Is transsexualism a test from God?
a) true/false, multiple choice, or essay?
b) when is it due?
c) what a passing grade?
d) can I retake the test if I do poorly on it?


A test of our faith to see if we truly believe.
Why then would it strike atheists, agnostics, and people who believe in completely different religions?

a) Hmmm more like a physical challenge
b) Well you have  agood 70 or 80 years to study, take, and turn it in.
c) a passing grade is learning to accept yourself as a transsexual
d) noppers
Even in death, may I be triumphant.
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tekla

It's OK, I'm only auditing the course.  And if it's not till I'm 80, then I might never have to worry about it at all.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Anatta

Kia Ora,

::) Is transsexualism a test from God?

::) Yes and we all must "pass"  ;) ;D

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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xXRebeccaXx

Quote from: Zenda on August 26, 2011, 04:38:54 PM
Kia Ora,

::) Is transsexualism a test from God?

::) Yes and we all must "pass"  ;) ;D

Metta Zenda :)

+1
Even in death, may I be triumphant.
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Arch

Quote from: xxScarletxx on August 26, 2011, 01:09:39 PM
A test of our faith to see if we truly believe.

Then I would have to say no. Not for me. I don't have any religious/spiritual faith in the first place.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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grrl1nside

Since I probably don't have quite the same religious position, it isn't for me. I might consider it a call from the goddess though...
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cynthialee

Quote from: grrl1nside on August 26, 2011, 10:08:38 PM
Since I probably don't have quite the same religious position, it isn't for me. I might consider it a call from the goddess though...
:)

you have heard the call of Cybele...

:)
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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wheat thins are delicious

I still don't understand this.  How could it be a test of belief?  I'm interested. 


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xxUltraModLadyxx

i think everyone gets tested everyday, just in different ways. whether it is man vs self, man vs society, or man vs nature. if you think about it, if we were all born into a life where everything is perfect in everyway, and nothing needs to be changed, life wouldn't have too much of a meaning. the life where everything is perfect in everyway and nothing needs to be changed, where nature is all perfectly balanced is after death.
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mowdan6

I've thought about this exact thing.  And then I think, If I had been born a biological male, growing up with the family I had....I would be the biggest douchbag around.  I'd either be in jail or dead.  So, I don't see this as a test.  I see this as God's way of making me a good man....giving me understanding.  Allowing me to be a different man from my family.  God works in mysterious ways.  He uses the foolish things to comfound the wise.  And, I am just one of those foolish things. 
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tekla

It's kinda cute the way people seem to think that the god of the entire universe through all time and space has nothing better to do than test you.


Test me, test me
Why don't you arrest me?

Throw me in the jail house
Until the sun goes down
Till it go down
I had to move
Really had to move
That's why if you please
I am on my bended knees
Bertha don't you come around here anymore

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