I don't really know who either of these men are, nor do I really care frankly.
I've exprerssed the position that Ablow is a paranoid exhibitionist. Based upon what information there seems to be about him.
If he had any clinical intent, then positioning himself in an offensive role, before even interviewing his patient, is hardly likely to establish any sort of clinical relationship.
That only leaves his attempts to create an adverse affect upon others, whom he clearly preceives as being in a socially and morally weaker position to himself. (In most of the world he would be a paranoid psychopath. My understanding is that psychopath has a different defination in the US).
His claims to have political intentions are clearly at odds with the well established intent of America, to allow those with views, at odds with established views, to flourish. (Equality for all races. For women. Equality before the law. All dangerous notions which were permitted to fester in the USA!

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His claims that transgender is socially insidious are at best specious.
I personally think he's a sad individual and this interview has done nothing to alter that position.
I did listen to the recordings. If these are likely to impress anyone in the US, it may say more about the US than it does about the two gentlemen concerned. The entire interview was just a noisy rant.
We do this sad man a disservice, along with ourselves by paying him more heed than he or his views deserve.