Quote from: Cindy James on September 23, 2011, 03:09:25 AM
I don't think guilt, innocence or race is important. I read that another (white) person was executed for dragging a coloured man to his death behind a truck. A foul and disgusting crime. But his death penalty was just as barbaric. Lock them up for ever.

Cindy

I heard =not sure= it is like $ 80,000 per ear to keep an individual incarcerated, who pay for it?

wHY NOT WORRY AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE 30,000 KIDS THAT DAY OF HUNGER EVER DAY !

Quote from: tekla on September 23, 2011, 01:12:39 PM
How do we ,as civilized society, handle those that wish to act and live barbarically?

Well you don't have to look too deeply into the record to say: Really poorly.  As it turns out we act like total Barbarians in order to teach them - and others - that acting like a total Barbarian is wrong.  It's proven to be a particularly ineffective way to stop it.

And is that a choice?  I don't see where it's really offered anywhere.  There is no place on earth I could go to where that is set up that way (technically at least, I'm aware there are bad parts of town all over the world), no place I could go:  "You know I really want to go full Barbarian.  I don't want to work in a call center, I want to go a viking."  It's just not an option.

And...To Be Sure...the only thing acting like Barbarians is the State of Georgia.  I think that before you execute anyone you make damn sure that you got the right person and there is not a single shred of doubt that the person you're killing is the person who did the horrible stuff (and it better be damn horrible, like serial killer time, not a single murder)  To be sure I'm not losing any sleep when they fry Ted Bundy, or clip Osama - but I'm OK with other options other than capital punishment, I don't think it's in society's best interest.  Anyway, so how do you punish the State of Georgia (and Texas, and Arkansas and Florida have some real dubious executions too) for acting like a Barbarian State?

So, no death, no imprisioment, what is your solution Tekla?

Jen61

I never said anything about imprisonment.  I'm not too thrilled with the State killing people as a way of demonstrating that killing people is wrong.

Especially as he had already done a fairly lengthy stretch.  Double jeopardy ?

There are several  ways that this sentence is barbaric. Put some one in prison for 20 odd years and then kill them. I'm struggling to see humanity or improvement in humanity in this
Let me start a base argument. For those who are interested and understand.

If you steal a loaf  I cut of your hands, problem solved, but your family starves, which is the reason I stole the bread.
I have a problem, I have to support your family. Nothing is solved.
I kill a person, you kill me, you have not resolved the matter.

You have only equated my crime with a same 'crime' . taking my life.

The pattern will not change. I realise my examples are simplistic but think we need to address it.

A few hundred years ago we hung, drawn and quartered people, because it was right, it was the law. The USA still condones torture.  I wrote a LOT more.

Sorry

Cindy

Quote from: tekla on September 23, 2011, 05:51:49 PM
I never said anything about imprisonment.  I'm not too thrilled with the State killing people as a way of demonstrating that killing people is wrong.

That that means you are Ok with imprisoment? If not, then waht is to solution?

Jen61

I'd like transportation more - a la, Australia/Escape from New York/Brave New World, but that's a life/death sentence and not everyone gets on of those, and there is no where to send them to either.  So I guess we warehouse them.  There is far too much evidence that the death penalty is used unfairly against certain elements that the powers that be like to think of as 'undesirable tenants in the condominium of life,' and mistakes do happen.  As 'barbaric' and all that as it seems I said there were cases where I didn't lose any sleep over the Death Penalty when they did Ted Bundy - he killed 30 for sure (could be more), and did it in a really creepy way.  I don't know what the punishment for that could possibly be.

And there are a lot of people who are just bad.