Quote from: Steph on October 07, 2011, 11:43:14 AM
Great post Crimsonsky.

You tell it like it is.  It's no wonder that society has difficulty accepting TS men and women, when there is so much drivel posted on the boards and to be honest how can they understand when they see or are aware of folks expressing their warped idea of what men and women are.  We will never be accepted while so called gender benders claim rights they are not entitled to.

I wouldn't word word it so strongly, but I do think that kind of desultory transsexual kind of has a negative effect for the rest of us.

The TS roommate I mentioned in the above thread would frequently use the phrase, "Well, who knows what reality is, anyway?" It gave her a lot of comfort over the fact that no one perceived her as female in the real world, or in her life. And it's not a phenomenon that's limited to her, it's almost a majority position.

I do think the successful faces of TS don't get noticed by the public specifically because we are successful. So, the public perception is really different than the reality. The media doesn't help much either - they always portray us with the most shocking pictures and footage. The reality is a lot more ordinary.

Media doesn't cover ordinary.  Man bites dog is a headline, dog bites man, not so much.  And people who are a slave to media are not going to be able to be convinced anyway.

Quote from: Steph on October 07, 2011, 11:43:14 AM
Great post Crimsonsky.

You tell it like it is.  It's no wonder that society has difficulty accepting TS men and women, when there is so much drivel posted on the boards and to be honest how can they understand when they see or are aware of folks expressing their warped idea of what men and women are.  We will never be accepted while so called gender benders claim rights they are not entitled to.

What rights are they claiming they have no right to?

My spouse is an androgyn and ze looks like an androgyn. So ze fits right into the gender benders you are attacking here...
That is an attack on my family so please allow me the luxury of being rather upset with the tone and tenor of this post...
So what rights are people like my spouse demanding that they have no entitlement to?
Perhaps the right to pee in a public toilet in peace?
Or perhaps the right to employment is an issue?

Quote from: crimsonsky on October 07, 2011, 11:08:19 AM
There are certainly positive people that have transitioned, and if you are inclined, I would suggest seeking those out. 

You won't find many of them here because positive people know emotions are viral, and if you hang out in the infirmary, you're bound to catch a cold.

Anyway the only problem with your advice is that it seems to presume that everybody here is a binary TS person (the boys can just ignore the female specific stuff and it works for them too)  and that is far from being the case.  In fact, as you can see from many replies here, there has become an almost open hostility toward that type of person here.  I don't think it used to be that way.

Quote from: Steph on October 07, 2011, 12:15:11 PM
Oops I seemed to have touched a nerve.  But I guess it's to be expected. And yep I was serious.

Don't give yourself that much credit. I wasn't offended so much by you, as much as I was dumbfounded by the sheer immaturity and close-mindedness of what you said. We are all hated equally by those who would hate us. It is that plain and simple.

And while there are differences in our community, it will only helps those who would repress all of us, to single out individuals who are different from ourselves. Rights should be given as a matter of principle, not for meeting some specific qualifications that a few make for many.

Quote from: Steph on October 07, 2011, 11:43:14 AM
Great post Crimsonsky.

You tell it like it is.  It's no wonder that society has difficulty accepting TS men and women, when there is so much drivel posted on the boards and to be honest how can they understand when they see or are aware of folks expressing their warped idea of what men and women are.  We will never be accepted while so called gender benders claim rights they are not entitled to.

wow. That post was so bigoted, narrow-minded, and hypocritical it's not even worth me replying back with an explanation about how wrong it is.

The only comfort I have in this is thank goodness not every trans person thinks this way.

Quote from: A_Dresden_Doll on October 07, 2011, 12:25:21 PM
Don't give yourself that much credit. I wasn't offended so much by you, as much as I was dumbfounded by the sheer immaturity and close-mindedness of what you said. We are all hated equally by those who would hate us. It is that plain and simple.

And while there are differences in our community, it will only helps those who would repress all of us, to single out individuals who are different from ourselves. Rights should be given as a matter of principle, not for meeting some specific qualifications that a few make for many.

exactly

If we all thought this way, then we would be no different than those in society who calls us men because we were born with a penis or a woman only because they were born with a vagina.

A reminder to please refrain from personal attacks. This topic is locked.

Quote from: JessicaH on October 06, 2011, 10:37:35 AM
By the way Bri, I gave you a reputation bump a few days ago but someone removed it...

I've found no record of this happening. It's possible the applaud simply didn't go through.