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Quote from: Sibila on October 31, 2011, 06:35:33 AM
I only met a few transwoman that were really feminine from the inside out the moment they were born.

So what is your definition of that type of person?

Quote from: Amazon D on October 31, 2011, 07:48:13 AM
So what is your definition of that type of person?

i have no definition...but i do see them as being different from most other transwoman.

Quote from: Sibila on October 31, 2011, 07:58:15 AM
i have no definition...but i do see them as being different from most other transwoman.

I think you have a stereotypical idea of a woman. You should go stand outside the michigan womyns music festival to see the many extremes and variations of women/womyn.

Also this "Julie"or should i say "jules" likes to talk so much about the importance of gender equality while at the same time stressing the importance of" woman only" services. Apparently woman have the right to have male jobs but not vice versa.

Dumb people always seem to need to find an audiance for their stupidities...

Quote from: Amazon D on October 31, 2011, 08:05:10 AM
I think you have a stereotypical idea of a woman. You should go stand outside the michigan womyns music festival to see the many extremes and variations of women/womyn.

that is not the point. What strikes me as extremely odd is that most transwoman only find out they are woman when 8 years old and older...while genderidentity is set much earlier in life.
And that the majority is masculine as opposed to the female population where the majority is feminine.

With all the respect for those transwoman i am sure science will back me up one day on this one

what irritates me is that the standards of care are designed for that masculine majority...while traumatised body dysmorfic and socially damaged transgirl will have a hard time finding true understanding on what they are going through...by sociaty at large...by their own population and by healthcare

Why is it that anyone who isn't 100% feminine must by definition be a man? Do most of us have a few masculine traits? I don't know, maybe. But look at a random sample of GGs and you will find plenty who have a few masculine traits. This characterization of the majority of transexuals as men whose "creativity has always been limited to football and cars (and even talking bad about woman with their mates)" is simply untrue.

Quote from: Dàwkbua on October 31, 2011, 08:52:45 AM
Why is it that anyone who isn't 100% feminine must by definition be a man? Do most of us have a few masculine traits? I don't know, maybe. But look at a random sample of GGs and you will find plenty who have a few masculine traits. This characterization of the majority of transexuals as men whose "creativity has always been limited to football and cars (and even talking bad about woman with their mates)" is simply untrue.

its not about being masculine or feminine...its about that it is psychologically impossible to live life as a normal man when you already a 3 4 years of age know that you are a woman...

And the masculine trannies btw are more then able to stand up for what they think they are

So are you saying that anyone who didn't assert herself at the age of 3 as female isn't a real woman?

I didn't know until I was 11 or 12 that I wanted to be physiologically female. I have a few masculine traits myself and if you met me you would probably pick up on that in my "energy" whatever that means. Do you think me a man? See, you can't always tell about people.

I'm getting the idea after having had the experience of some tgs around here and their attitudes, that feminists be even more offended then some or most post-op MtFs by their positions and even grossness.

If I had some of these folks prancing about my perimeter I be not OK, to say the least for sure. So, these 'forward' individuals act probably the same in public and will invariably thereby cause offence. And that's real bad for the rest of us.

Feminists more tuned to the 'art' of fighting back then your average gg, that would just turn away, and avoid confrontation - they [feminists] are made mostly of different timber and so show there dislike or disgust. They'd say "seen one... seen them all" I'm pretty sure.

What goes here on these pages will NOT and by no means go in the real/outside world without some negative, to major negative reactions.
Now all the nice and calming or ever so righteous words about -all being equal- will not really wash out there in the end.

That's my view on the subject and as always of course VMMY,
Axelle

Quote from: Sibila on October 31, 2011, 08:11:58 AM
that is not the point. What strikes me as extremely odd is that most transwoman only find out they are woman when 8 years old and older...while genderidentity is set much earlier in life.
And that the majority is masculine as opposed to the female population where the majority is feminine.

With all the respect for those transwoman i am sure science will back me up one day on this one

How do you know that 8 yrs old is the time they realize it? I was taking baths with my 3 sisters then my mom took me out and said i had to bathe seperately and i was barely able to think but i knew i was like my sisters.. Your really judgemental of things you know nothing personally about all these other sisters

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that is not the point. What strikes me as extremely odd is that most transwoman only find out they are woman when 8 years old and older...while genderidentity is set much earlier in life.
And that the majority is masculine as opposed to the female population where the majority is feminine.

With all the respect for those transwoman i am sure science will back me up one day on this one
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Now, - I'm actually one of those 8 year old folks you been looking at too.
I lived with females only up toage 6 - 7 and NOBODY ever was seen naked a such.
Now even if it was not so, there are no gender notions as such -regards genitals- this early in live, only social boy/girl differentiations.
I think THAT is more the norm - in my thinking. Nothing sexual, more curiousity and some learning.

By the time of age 8 things start to stir inside (pre-puberty?) and in my case it THEN said I want to be like THEM (a girl) and tried to cut of my extra, be a girl have earrings, pretty cloth and be a girl - like socially I always wanted to be with them, like them, play their games, do their thing but was barred.

In the early 50s there were no child-psychologists, if you were dyslexic you were just stupid, if you want to be a girl you'd get beaten for just saying so. NO GO, AT ALL!
At age 14 -15 you'd be send to a psychiatric hospital and given electro-shock to 'see you right'.

So we learn the tricks of the male trade best we can --- until some day the house of cards falls down...

About as short as I could make it for you,
Axelle

I didnt figure it out until I was 9 and I had to have Donahue put it in my face with a show on transwomen.

My parents asumed I was going to be gay by the time I was 5, I was so femminine. (wow did they ever peg that one wrong...lol) They raised me in a loving environment to believe I could do and be anything I wanted.
I was never held to a gender straight jacket until I started to aproach puberty.

There may be reasons why some of us were late to the table.

Sibila I didn't come out of the closet as male until last year. I experienced every type of confusion and self-deception you can imagine. I proclaimed myself male at a very young age, and was steered towards just being a tomboy. Stuff happens, okay?

I still think you're trolling.

Btw, I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make, but I should also emphasize that I'm pretty feminine and silly, and that makes me no less a man. People come in all flavors. Chill out. You aren't omniscient.

Quote from: Sibila on October 31, 2011, 07:03:22 AM
A lot of transwoman lack female sensitivity... as do their haters.

I believe you're referring to empathy (often colloquially associated with "womens' intution")? It's already been determined that men and women are not significantly different in terms of empathetic ability. So female sensitivity doesn't exist.

Quote from: Felix on October 31, 2011, 08:30:46 PM
Sibila I didn't come out of the closet as male until last year. I experienced every type of confusion and self-deception you can imagine. I proclaimed myself male at a very young age, and was steered towards just being a tomboy. Stuff happens, okay?

I still think you're trolling.

Btw, I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make, but I should also emphasize that I'm pretty feminine and silly, and that makes me no less a man. People come in all flavors. Chill out. You aren't omniscient.

This is also what I meant to say. The transgendered come in all flavers and forms. And when it comes to treatment, there is no one size fits all.
But I do think some feminists DO have a point when they say that SOME trannies do not nor will they ever in this life face female hardship.

Quote from: Sailor_Saturn on November 01, 2011, 11:36:21 AM
I believe you're referring to empathy (often colloquially associated with "womens' intution")? It's already been determined that men and women are not significantly different in terms of empathetic ability. So female sensitivity doesn't exist.

No I meant sensitivity and female insecurity. Like having doubts. And like continually having a hard time dealing with a body that you cannot really call your own psychologically and emotionally.

Having gone through a large part of my life as an extremely effiminate 'straight' guy I have eaten allot of crap.

Life was NOT easy looking like a guy and vibing female.

Can't count how many times just being natural got my ass kicked.

Quote from: cynthialee on November 01, 2011, 06:42:14 PM
Life was NOT easy looking like a guy and vibing female.

Can't count how many times just being natural got my ass kicked.

Likewise my experience!

Z