Quote from: Steph on November 04, 2011, 10:47:03 PM
But if non-ops like their penis why would they try and hide it.  If a non-op likes their penis and considers themselves to be women and thinks society should accept them as women, why would they hide it by tucking?  Why not be out and proud.  Are they embarrassed by the bulge that would show through a swimsuit, jogging suit for example?

Good point. It's not I like I use it to top guys anymore.

But still don't want srs...

" I have never been call a man with a mutilated penis - sorry." Good for you!

" I wasn't pointing a finger at you for being different, I said your words were insulting to post-ops". you still haven't answered why they are offensive!

"I haven't defined a woman someone else has done that. "But you push it in our face!

"d sorry but I do meet societies definition of a woman... They allowed me to marry a most wonderful man, it allows me to work in the public education system teaching children of all ages, The men I dated and screwed before I was married saw me as a woman as they climaxed in my vagina, and, and, oh never mind..."         uh no you don't your just passable and was able to change paperwork! They saw you as a woman cuz you lied! And really? now your just being mean and just gross!

QuoteI said your words were insulting to post-ops.

How is someone expressing their own identity and being proud of who they are harmful to someone else?

QuoteAnd sorry but I do meet societies definition of a woman... They allowed me to marry a most wonderful man, it allows me to work in the public education system teaching children of all ages, The men I dated and screwed before I was married saw me as a woman as they climaxed in my vagina, and, and, oh never mind...

Conforming to society isn't something that impresses me. I would far prefer someone who is true to who they are inside, even if no one else ever understands.

Let me just say this. I've seen this argument grow and grow and it honestly sickens me. Do I have a side in this issue? Absolutely, but I will not express that side due to the fact that these kind of arguments lead to nowhere, and this is exactly what the OP is saying.

So angry post op people, please, give it up.

Quote from: toxicblue on November 04, 2011, 10:56:34 PM
Let me just say this. I've seen this argument grow and grow and it honestly sickens me. Do I have a side in this issue? Absolutely, but I will not express that side due to the fact that these kind of arguments lead to nowhere, and this is exactly what the OP is saying.

So angry post op people, please, give it up.

+1

Live and let live...

Caught in a state of sexual ambiguity is hell for me. (note I said for me, not for you, or you or you over there in the corner. I said me.)

I do not understand why any one would not want to be as congruent as they possibly could in one sex. However, I live with and love and am married to a wonderful person who is completly androgynous and happy to be that way.
I do not understand why my spouse could possibly think that havng a beard and breasts at the same time would be something awesome, but to hir it is.
Regardless of the fact that it is completely alien to me I must respect hir in this matter.

As we must respect our Disco Shark in this matter.
She is definatly transgender and that is all that I need to know to suport her.

Now here is where I play devils advocate:
Why should we keep denigrateing those porn actresses known as ->-bleeped-<-s as deviants. Are they truely deserving of the derision that is heaped on them? How are they harming us?




hugz everyone cause this is a volitile subject

Quote from: Laura91 on November 04, 2011, 11:03:16 PM
I agree. Arguments like these pop up over and over and accomplish nothing at all. It's all so amazingly stupid.

The OP is basically my warning to the entire board for them to "mind their own s***!" when it comes to other peoples preferences.

Quote from: Steph on November 04, 2011, 10:47:03 PM
But if non-ops like their penis why would they try and hide it.  If a non-op likes their penis and considers themselves to be women and thinks society should accept them as women, why would they hide it by tucking?  Why not be out and proud.  Are they embarrassed by the bulge that would show through a swimsuit, jogging suit for example?

I told you! Not hiding! It just looks better in some out fits such a swim suits or form fitting jeans. I don't mind a small bulge in my jogging suit or in some pants! I'm still a woman!  I'm sorry I don't wear crotchless pants to show the world my penis! Why not be out and proud because society is thinks like you and doesn't understand, plus I don't have the time to explain it to everyone! Plus its harder to explain to the childrrn who are much to young to understand.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 04, 2011, 11:07:16 PM
The OP is basically my warning to the entire board for them to "mind their own s***!" when it comes to other peoples preferences.

True, agreed! Masha thank you for being proud of who you are and standing up for the road less taken!

Quote from: Jen-Jen on November 04, 2011, 10:50:51 PM
" I have never been call a man with a mutilated penis - sorry." Good for you!

That's what I thought - good for me

Quote" I wasn't pointing a finger at you for being different, I said your words were insulting to post-ops". you still haven't answered why they are offensive!

Well some one did say that our vaginas were just inverted penises.  I guess that was kind of offensive

Quote"I haven't defined a woman someone else has done that. "But you push it in our face!

it's not post-ops pushing it in your face that you have to worry about.

Quote"d sorry but I do meet societies definition of a woman... They allowed me to marry a most wonderful man, it allows me to work in the public education system teaching children of all ages, The men I dated and screwed before I was married saw me as a woman as they climaxed in my vagina, and, and, oh never mind..."         uh no you don't your just passable and was able to change paperwork! They saw you as a woman cuz you lied! And really? now your just being mean and just gross!

I have never lied to any official or anyone else for that matter, including my husband, for example the screening process I had to go through was quite extensive to be allowed to teach children... police checks, finger prints, sex offender registries, background checks, they really turn your life inside out.  Oh and there's nothing gross about intercourse, it's a wonderful experience and feeling, I quite enjoy it.

So you think that all it takes to be a woman is to be passable and change paperwork... if that's the case you're in for a very rude awakening sweetie.

Don't the Wiccans have some phrase along the lines of: "if it harms no one, do as thou please"?

Yup, that would seem to work in this case.

At least seems a lot better than the old,"some are MORE equal than OTHERS".

 
    Mahsa you sure know how to draw a crowd girl. 



  I personally don't like my genitals, but till that day comes (meaning till i have the money) i'm kinda stuck with them. 

Quote from: Steph on November 04, 2011, 11:19:41 PM
if that's the case you're in for a very rude awakening sweetie.

Quote from: Rukia87xo on November 04, 2011, 11:24:07 PM
 
    Mahsa you sure know how to draw a crowd girl. 

Thats why they call me Mahsa...actually my real name is Elle.

I'm coo with you wanting the surgery. I'd drive down to LA with a double fudge cake and romantic comedies for you when you're recovering from your surgery.

Quote from: Steph on November 04, 2011, 11:19:41 PM
So you think that all it takes to be a woman is to be passable and change paperwork... if that's the case you're in for a very rude awakening sweetie.

All it takes is a feeling inside. Nothing more than that.

 

QuoteSo you think that all it takes to be a woman is to be passable and change paperwork... if that's the case you're in for a very rude awakening sweetie.

  Well i'd rather be pretty & passable with all my paperwork changed then be one of those dude in a dress looking transexuals with a hairy vagina. 

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 04, 2011, 11:28:15 PM
I'm cool with you wanting the surgery. I'd drive down to LA with a double fudge cake and romantic comedies for you when you're recovering from your surgery.

   

Quote from: Steph on November 04, 2011, 11:19:41 PM
That's what I thought - good for me

Well some one did say that our vaginas were just inverted penises.  I guess that was kind of offensive

it's not post-ops pushing it in your face that you have to worry about.

I have never lied to any official or anyone else for that matter, including my husband, for example the screening process I had to go through was quite extensive to be allowed to teach children... police checks, finger prints, sex offender registries, background checks, they really turn your life inside out.  Oh and there's nothing gross about intercourse, it's a wonderful experience and feeling, I quite enjoy it.

So you think that all it takes to be a woman is to be passable and change paperwork... if that's the case you're in for a very rude awakening sweetie.

yes good for you...yay! Inverted penis? Ok agreed offensive! The only one pushing it in my face is you! Not post ops not society, just you! I never said you lied to officials I meant past screws! I never said intercourse was gross! Its not it wonderful! The you telling me about ejaculating inside you is gross TMI!s I didn't need to know that! I don't think all you need to be is passable and change paperwork, it takes a lot more but it helps a little.

Quote from: Rukia87xo on November 04, 2011, 11:33:02 PM
 

  Well i'd rather be pretty & passable with all my paperwork changed then be one of those dude in a dress looking transexuals with a hairy vagina. 

I have a Whitney Port look on my face now...my jaw just hit the floor. Pick it up before Heidi sees it!

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 04, 2011, 11:34:40 PM
I have a Whitney Port look on my face now...my jaw just hit the floor. Pick it up before Heidi sees it!

  I think you look great! 

Quote from: Lily on November 04, 2011, 11:28:40 PM
All it takes is a feeling inside. Nothing more than that.

I retract my previous response, I'm going with this ^ now! You go girl!

Quote from: Rukia87xo on November 04, 2011, 11:37:13 PM
  I think you look great! 

Damn right I do.... I would have done drag on the weekends if I wasn't 5'5", 135lbs... I am living my dream.

Let the hairy men in dresses live theirs...