Quote from: Sarah7 on November 15, 2011, 03:28:21 PM
Far too flattering. Most people think balding 40-year-old bloke in a bad wig and a dress from the 1950s.

If they think of us at all, which they mostly don't.

Nothing wrong with a 40 year old bloke in a bad wig and 1950's dress. I think it's damaging and hurtful that society conceptualizes transwomen as men in dresses--it's f***ed up, invalidating, and wrong. I think it's more than reasonable to lash back at that sentiment. But I think it's important to fight the transphobic people perpetuating oppression of transwomen rather than to shame men who like to wear dresses for whatever reason (be it expression, identity, performance, or whatever).

Heck, I'm a bit of a queen, and I hope my glitter lust holds through my 40's.

I'm a part time drag queen(think my current look, but with sexiER clothes/makeup).

That is when my boyfriend lets me out...which is never.

You don't get to choose if your going to be cis or trans, gay or straight, male or female.  All of those people do however get to choose to be fabulous.  And there is always a continual blather - be it about, 'being over the top', 'attracting undue or untoward attention', or that somehow we are wrong for having chosen it - but in the end, it is it's own reward.

And what's funny is the most of the people who don't like the whole 'drag' deal, have never been to a show, or if they've seen 'live drag' its' some tired old person lip-syncing in some out-of-date outfit to some tired old ->-bleeped-<- anthem.  THEY CAN NOT IMAGINE IN THEIR WILDEST DREAMS (or nightmares) the kind of shows that go down (went down, 2000-2003 were really the high-point) at ->-bleeped-<-shack where 'drag' doesn't begin to cover the performance, or even the stuff that still goes down at Aunt Charlies.  They never seen the real polished - and true upholders of the traditional - performers like the shows at Marlane's, or the kind of real pure sex kind of drag shows that used to (and still do as far as I know, but I ain't been there in a decade, not my kind of place) at Divas. 

Quote from: tekla on November 15, 2011, 11:06:16 PM
You don't get to choose if your going to be cis or trans, gay or straight, male or female.  All of those people do however get to choose to be fabulous.  And there is always a continual blather - be it about, 'being over the top', 'attracting undue or untoward attention', or that somehow we are wrong for having chosen it - but in the end, it is it's own reward.

And what's funny is the most of the people who don't like the whole 'drag' deal, have never been to a show, or if they've seen 'live drag' its' some tired old person lip-syncing in some out-of-date outfit to some tired old ->-bleeped-<- anthem.  THEY CAN NOT IMAGINE IN THEIR WILDEST DREAMS (or nightmares) the kind of shows that go down (went down, 2000-2003 were really the high-point) at ->-bleeped-<-shack where 'drag' doesn't begin to cover the performance, or even the stuff that still goes down at Aunt Charlies.  They never seen the real polished - and true upholders of the traditional - performers like the shows at Marlane's, or the kind of real pure sex kind of drag shows that used to (and still do as far as I know, but I ain't been there in a decade, not my kind of place) at Divas.

Many people on this board are sheltered and would rather play Elder Scrolls than hit the City, have a few drinks and socialize(nothing wrong with that!!!)

AsiaSF called me about rehearsals. AsiaSF is another drag place, even though the "drags" are MtFs. I hate that the man wouldn't let me rehearse.. He didn't want me giving people lap dances.

And SF has a history of drag going back to the 50 with some of the most legendary performers of the art.  I went to Finocchio's up on Broadway back in '70 to see my first show, and it was awesome. 

A lot of people love drag.  I've seen the good, the bad and the ugly.  And a lot of people love Barnum & Bailey, Blue Man Group, Cirque du Soleil and the Joffrey.  And I've seen them too.  Some I loved, some I didn't.  It's all entertainment and all fabulous, depending on who you ask.  And if you want to indulge in any of it, it's all there on the Fabulous Internet.

Quote from: Julie Marie on November 15, 2011, 11:37:15 PM
A lot of people love drag.  I've seen the good, the bad and the ugly.  And a lot of people love Barnum & Bailey, Blue Man Group, Cirque du Soleil and the Joffrey.  And I've seen them too.  Some I loved, some I didn't.  It's all entertainment and all fabulous, depending on who you ask.  And if you want to indulge in any of it, it's all there on the Fabulous Internet.

And many drag queens are the gateways to transsexual women...that is the ultrafemme gay male. Drag leads to transition because there is so much alienation in the ultramasculine gay world.

They have a perspective too.

it's all there on the Fabulous Internet.

The internet is not fabulous, it's fake.  Only reality is fabulous, which is why so many people in here, be it drag or Occupy, don't get it, because they don't life in reality.  They live on the net, and hence can't be fabulous, or even comprehend it.

Quote from: tekla on November 15, 2011, 11:45:45 PM
it's all there on the Fabulous Internet.

The internet is not fabulous, it's fake.  Only reality is fabulous, which is why so many people in here, be it drag or Occupy, don't get it, because they don't life in reality.  They live on the net, and hence can't be fabulous, or even comprehend it.

I'm only here because the boyfriend won't let me out to play. I miss the actual real world.

Well my latest entertainment, when I'm not working shows - and Fiest was pretty good last night BTW - is going down to Occupy San Francisco and Occupy Santa Rosa and listening.

Quote from: tekla on November 15, 2011, 11:59:38 PM
Well my latest entertainment, when I'm not working shows - and Fiest was pretty good last night BTW - is going down to Occupy San Francisco and Occupy Santa Rosa and listening.

Some of those Occupy guys are cute. I like beards and long hair...but don't tell anyone.

Hmmm... Neither Elder Scrolls nor the dance/bar scene are up my alley.  I used to get out a lot, but being a parent, that kind of social interaction is a bit lacking now. 

Regardless, isn't it fair to say that the issue with the internet is not its lack of reality, but its ability to obscure people's recognition that they are actually interacting with real people?

Quote from: Maya Zimmerman on November 16, 2011, 12:13:44 AM
Hmmm... Neither Elder Scrolls nor the dance/bar scene are up my alley.  I used to get out a lot, but being a parent, that kind of social interaction is a bit lacking now. 

Regardless, isn't it fair to say that the issue with the internet is not its lack of reality, but its ability to obscure people's recognition that they are actually interacting with real people?

My friend brings the kids to the club with her... It's in the Castro and kids have to learn.

How do I know you're really Maya and not an automated a.i. program?

Oh, crap!  How do I know I'm Maya and not an AI program?!  Well, I can see my hands, but I could just be programmed to perceive them to fool myself in order to more effectively fool you...

Can we open a Turing Test forum to sort out the "real" trans from the robots?

Quote from: Maya Zimmerman on November 16, 2011, 12:20:33 AM
Oh, crap!  How do I know I'm Maya and not an AI program?!  Well, I can see my hands, but I could just be programmed to perceive them to fool myself in order to more effectively fool you...

Can we open a Turing Test forum to sort out the "real" trans from the robots?

I am not a robot. But in fact a super intelligent virus from space.

speaking of elder scrolls. i used to play elder scrolls 3 morrowind, but i just stole lots of stuff and saw how much bounty i could get before guards tried to kill me. i tried to kill them, but it's hard.

Kia Ora Elle,



At times a trans-person's life can be such a drag.....

Metta Zenda

Quote from: Elle Hollywood 90210 on November 15, 2011, 11:50:26 PM
I'm only here because the boyfriend won't let me out to play. I miss the actual real world.

i'm here because i feel like it makes me smarter, but i'm finding out it's not the case. i still need something to do, because i'm bad at sleeping.

Quote from: Zenda on November 16, 2011, 01:16:23 AM
Kia Ora Elle,


At times a trans-person's life can be such a drag.....

Still beats being a nerd and it pays incredibly well.

So was that an insult?

At times a trans-person's life can be such a drag

At times everyone's life is a drag.  That doesn't explain why some people are a drag all the time.