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The American Christmas?

Started by Princess of Hearts, December 01, 2011, 08:45:36 PM

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Felix

Whoa hey why were you in a mall? That looks like pretty American behavior to me.
everybody's house is haunted
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Dana_H

Personally, my household celebrates the Winter Solstice as our religious/spiritual holiday, although we do participate in Christmas as a secular holiday...largely with friends and family. We have been known to exchange hand-crafted items, but we avoid buying things on credit as much as we can when lack of crafting time drives us to buy our gifts instead. If we do use credit, we pay it off well before the next holiday season. (Our Swiss Colony account has gotten a lot of use in the last few years; who doesn't like to receive free food?)  In fact, there will be no gift exchange at my father and step-mother's house this year partly because the economy is lousy. Instead, we will be eating finger-foods, enjoying music, and catching up on family events from the last year.

Overall, I tend to think of debt as slavery; you are basically working for someone else whether you like it or not until the debt is paid off. I would have paid for my house in cash if I had had $80k sitting around at the time. ;)  (I could have continued to rent instead of buying, but my mortgage payment was, and still is, cheaper than typical rents around here, so I count it as a win even with the debt.) As it was, I at least realized that the idea of a mortgage interest rate potentially going UP in the future made an Adjustable-Rate Mortgage a very bad idea, even though my lender tried to get me into one; I insisted on a 30-year fixed and was soooo happy for it when the housing bubble collapsed because I could still make my payments, unlike many homeowners with ARMs.
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Consumerism is rampant in this country, but not everyone has succumbed. For some of us Americans, the holiday season is still about love, sharing, and caring. Some of us are still proud to be Americans, even if we are not always proud of our fellow citizens or our government. We have our political and cultural issues, but every nation does. When you read about the trampling mobs in the Wal-Marts and malls, keep in mind that the media generally reports on the lowest common denominator...that's what is considered "news". "If it bleeds it leads," as they say. Fear and gossip are king. The folks who volunteer to serve Christmas dinner to the homeless or the shut-in elderly are lucky to get a 60 second feature in the Human Interest segment at the end of the news hour. That doesn't mean they don't exist.

Heck, my spouse and I are still using "dumb" cell phones that just make voice phone calls and handle ascii text messages (no images) because that's all we need and we can't justify the expense of "smart phones". Our phones don't even have cameras. *gasp*  Not all consumers suffer from consumerism.
Call me Dana. Call me Cait. Call me Kat. Just don't call me late for dinner.
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Princess of Hearts

I regret starting this thread as it has made me depressed.

:'(

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Princess of Hearts

[This is my third attempt at posting this.]

I think that my depression was brewing last night,which explains why my original intention to start a happy, relax thread went so off course.

One of my depression triggers is caused by despairing of people buying things they don't need and only serve to chain them all the more to a system that exhausts, and exploits them and benefits only a few.

Let us hope that this time next year we are all living in the woods.  Humanity is the earth's fleas.

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Jen61

Quote from: Happy Girl! on December 01, 2011, 09:28:30 PM
Actually we were at the library and didn't spend a penny.

:laugh:

Actually you said you were at the mall. I think you just want to blabber against America and get attention. Well, you got my attention.

I love America just the way it is. Perfect it is not, change is needed but I would not trade it for any other country; and there are countries I love: France, Italy, Netherlands, England, Spain, Chile, Japan. Like people, they all have pro and cons.
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Felix

Well, all drama aside, I just want to thank Happy Girl for invoking the phrase "cannibal army." That conjures great imagery. ;D
everybody's house is haunted
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Princess of Hearts

When the economical system collapses beyond all hope of repair then we will see cannibal armies roaming the countryside.    The great majority of people believe that they are the body and the body is them.   They will cling onto life with a demonic fiendishness.     It this belief that we are the body that makes people do and say anything the rulers of society want.

People think "hmm it is a choice between 18 hour days 6 days out of 7 for poverty wages or death?!    I choose 18 hour days, no contest"  they cry!     I would rather be dead than live that life.   Let the body moulder in the grave while the mind/spirit/soul goes marching on in non-physical realms.



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tekla

When the economical system collapses beyond all hope of repair then we will see cannibal armies roaming the countryside.

Some people might see that.  You won't.  You'll be among the first wave of massive deaths unless you really know how to survive and how to fight.


while the mind/spirit/soul goes marching on in non-physical realms.


Well do write back and tell us all what the weather is like there in Oz, or Hannalee, or Theron or wherever you seem to think (but no one can prove) exists.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Beth Andrea

Quote from: Happy Girl! on December 02, 2011, 05:34:48 PM
[This is my third attempt at posting this.]

I think that my depression was brewing last night,which explains why my original intention to start a happy, relax thread went so off course.

One of my depression triggers is caused by despairing of people buying things they don't need and only serve to chain them all the more to a system that exhausts, and exploits them and benefits only a few.

Let us hope that this time next year we are all living in the woods.  Humanity is the earth's fleas.

Well, there's your problem right there: You shouldn't care what other people do, or do not, do. Their lives are theirs, and if they choose to enslave themselves, so be it. You don't even know if they are enslaving themselves; perhaps some of those happy shoppers won the Lotto, or had a rich uncle die, or maybe even they've more disposable income....

You just don't know. Yes, many of them are indebting themselves...but again, it's not your worry.

Happily Merry ChriHanukanzaa, and to all a Good New Upcoming Orbit Around The Nearest Star.
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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Princess of Hearts

I am feeling better today.   Although my sleep was broken, I did manage to get around 8 hours of sleep.  When I am stressed by an external event I plunge into a black depression.  This one was not as bad as previous ones.  I think that my chakra meditation and general meditation has taken the edge of those old raging black depressions.   I managed to eat something tonight, the first since Friday night so I am better than I was Friday and Saturday.

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Princess of Hearts

The library is curiously enough almost in the heart of the shopping centre.  My sister dropped me off there while she went off to buy Christmas cards.  Then we had a wander around the shops.  Nothing but those xmas cards were bought.
   
BA I suppose that your right regarding other people.    I read somewhere that 'what people think of you is none of your business'.     The trouble with me is that I don't have a compelling reason to go on living.    My personal circumstances have to some extent managed to undermine my will to live.


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