Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 04, 2011, 09:03:36 PM
Well her stuff is more hilarious than bothering. Like replying to her own quotes which were suppose to burn me, never posting pics of herself, etc....

Just let people be people.

good idea.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 04, 2011, 08:54:35 PM
It was just an attempt at a mean comment from Jen61... Don't read completely into it.

Oh, now you are hurting my feelings, there is no a single mean bone in my body, Honey.

You just being mad with me when I told you that in that picture of you and your brother he looked like 50 and you like 40. I did not mean to offend you, that was just my opinion from your picture.

I guess we will continue to dance, I do enjoy your posts, they are so entertaining

Haha! I first came out to a Gay Man, realized I wasn't Gay...then tried tried to be a Hetro Male...

Alas...turns out I'm predominately a Hetro Female...and Pansxual too

Quote from: FullMoon19 on December 04, 2011, 09:05:20 PM
good idea.

now you two can make a movie, 

Quote from: Jen61 on December 04, 2011, 09:05:42 PM
Oh, now you are hurting my feelings, there is no a single mean bone in my body, Honey.

You just being mad with me when I told you that in that picture of you and your brother he looked like 50 and you like 40. I did not mean to offend you, that was just my opinion from your picture.

I guess we will continue to dance, I do enjoy your posts, they are so entertaining

Now Now...don't turn the Sandbox into Litter Box...

TOS...

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10. Bashing or flaming of any individuals or groups is not acceptable behavior on this web site and will not be tolerated in the slightest for any reason.  This includes but is not limited to:

    Advocating the separation or exclusion of one or more group from under the Transgender umbrella term
    Suggesting or claiming that one segment or sub-segment of our community is more legitimate, deserving, or more real than any others

So...play well with others...

Quote from: Jen61 on December 04, 2011, 09:05:42 PM

You just being mad with me when I told you that in that picture of you and your brother he looked like 50 and you like 40. I did not mean to offend you, that was just my opinion from your picture.

Uhhh, I forgot about that.

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I went through a gay male phase, but after awhile I relized I really am bisexual pansexual.

Having been openly straight, gay, bi, and now pansexual I think I have seen a rather wide swath of humanity. (at least I got allot of sex out of the deal) 

Quote from: MsDazzler on December 04, 2011, 04:15:02 PM
So far as I can see.. Only Masha and I were gay men before we transitioned... It looks like everyone else was a heterosexual man and lots of you folks have children as well.

Kia Ora Ms Daz,

It's quite possible some male bodied members didn't actually lead an 'openly' gay life, more so theirs was on the 'down low'...But then I guess even on the down low the androphilic trans-women before coming out didn't consider themselves as gay, just having a strong[somewhat confusing] desire for sexual intimacy with a male ....

BTW gay men and confused androphilic trans-females have [due to the social pressures to conform] had sex with women and have fathered children ....Some totally convincing themselves[due to social pressure] they were [as men] heterosexual

Metta Zenda

I was heterosexual, then bisexual, now asexual.

 Before I transitioned, I was asexual, and gay-acting. I didn't want to get into any relationships because I knew that it would have to be as male, and I knew that sort of thing could never end well. However, it may be noteworthy to say that, during that period of my life, I was attracted to girls. Since then, this has switched; there isn't nearly as much attraction to women as there once was - rather, I strongly prefer men now. It may have been the hormones, or perhaps before transition, I merely didn't explore the issue of men to enough extent to know if I enjoyed them. I don't know.

The gay-acting was just me being me... To be flamboyant was the only way to live - it was fun, and I could enjoy myself a little.

By no means was I a heterosexual male (I transitioned before I could even be called a "man" - not that I would ever call myself such a thing anyway), but I didn't quite fit the archetype of the gay male either. I was just a weirdo.

Why do we always try to make it black and white?

What about the 'straight men' that weren't all macho and manly. Everyone thought I was gay until I married my wife. For that matter she has always been more manly than me  I've always hung around with the lesbians in any crowd.

Age and orientation division gets us no where.

What right does someone else have to deny me my identity. I know I didn't imagine telling my (grand)father when I was 5 that the penis attached to me was to dig my hole and then it was going to fall off, because he mocked me with the name peedigger until I got married. Just because I let my grandparents / adoptive parents control my life until my 30s doesn't mean I didn't want to transition in high school.

Please let's stop the hurtful dividing. We are too few to make society accept us as it is.

I use to identify as a gale male because that was the closest thing I could relate to as I didn't know what a transsexual was at the time.

Quote from: Jeneva on December 05, 2011, 07:19:43 AM
Why do we always try to make it black and white?

... Age and orientation division gets us no where.

What right does someone else have to deny me my identity.

... Please let's stop the hurtful dividing. We are too few to make society accept us as it is.

Um, okay, I don't totally understand what you're talking about, as all that was asked was whether or not you were gay prior to transitioning.  I don't see this as dividing or denying anyone their identity.  If you were a hetero straight man who didn't act macho, there's nothing wrong with that; being gay means you are attracted to the same sex, which has nothing to do with personality.  If it must be said, personality that is perceived as "gay" would technically amount to being "flamboyant", which anyone of any sexual orientation can be.

Quote from: mandyh92 on December 04, 2011, 05:53:59 PM
I have recieved FAR MORE support from the straight community then the gay community.Gay men inparticular dont understand or want to understand. Most lesbians have been noresponive. While EVERY cisgirl is loving and supportive.....Good ol redneck southern indiana i guess.

You know, I have lost count of the number of Trans-persons that have said that exact same thing; that they were always well recieved and accepted by the heterosexuals, or atleast fairly so, and hadn't tasted serious discrimination until they sat foot in the gay community.

And I can attest to many gays being extremely hating towards trans-persons.


Speaking of it;

Quote BTW gay men and confused androphilic trans-females have [due to the social pressures to conform] had sex with women and have fathered children ....Some totally convincing themselves[due to social pressure] they were [as men] heterosexual

This is very, very common where I grew up.

How come it is possible to upload some videos directly, while others just result in a simple link?

Crappy functions.

Quote from: MsDazzler on December 04, 2011, 04:15:02 PM
So far as I can see.. Only Masha and I were gay men before we transitioned... It looks like everyone else was a heterosexual man and lots of you folks have children as well.

Kia Ora Ms Daz,

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,98683.0.html

Metta Zenda

Quote from: stldrmgrl on December 05, 2011, 09:15:22 AM
Um, okay, I don't totally understand what you're talking about, as all that was asked was whether or not you were gay prior to transitioning.  I don't see this as dividing or denying anyone their identity.  If you were a hetero straight man who didn't act macho, there's nothing wrong with that; being gay means you are attracted to the same sex, which has nothing to do with personality.  If it must be said, personality that is perceived as "gay" would technically amount to being "flamboyant", which anyone of any sexual orientation can be.

Sorry I was responding to a Mahsa quote on the ->-bleeped-<- thread that spawned this thread. It was basically a ->-bleeped-<-r-than-thou for a 'gay male' that discovers she is a transsexual because the others are so macho. Given the timing I don't see this as an independent thread.

Quote from: Jeneva on December 05, 2011, 11:57:04 AM
Sorry I was responding to a Mahsa quote on the ->-bleeped-<- thread that spawned this thread. It was basically a ->-bleeped-<-r-than-thou for a 'gay male' that discovers she is a transsexual because the others are so macho. Given the timing I don't see this as an independent thread.

Ah, okay.  No worries.