Quote from: MsDazzler on December 02, 2011, 09:21:02 PM
While we are on the subject of vaginas, you have to also ask yourself a question - if you opt for a vagina instead of FSS, do you want to have an active sexual life? Because I have heard that some vaginas are very shallow and incapable of receiving bigger penises.

The vast majority of GRS vaginae are quite adequate for normal, active sexual activity.  They are also mostly indistinguishable from those created by nature.  They look, smell and taste normal.

      If there's inadequate skin available for the needed depth, this would come out in the initial consultation with the surgeon.  This is not a surprise at all, if it turns out this way.

Quote from: Re: Joyce on December 03, 2011, 04:33:56 AM
The vast majority of GRS vaginae are quite adequate for normal, active sexual activity.  They are also mostly indistinguishable from those created by nature.  They look, smell and taste normal.

      If there's inadequate skin available for the needed depth, this would come out in the initial consultation with the surgeon.  This is not a surprise at all, if it turns out this way.

I know a girl who had complications with her op resulting in a lack of depth but she then had a second op performed and some colon was used to give her a more usefull depth.

Quote from: Padma on December 02, 2011, 05:07:03 AM
For me, I care less what other people "think" I am, and more what I actually am - so a vagina is more important, since I've given up "passing" as a man.

I find im caring less and less what people think. Most people ive met really dont care anyway, infact the majority of people are MORE friendly knowing im trans because they are afraid of offending me and they wanna seem accepting of it lol. Ive already decided that im never gonna sleep with anyone or start a relationship with anyone without telling them that i am trans, it not fair on them imho. Anyone who has a problem with me being trans isnt worth knowing anyway so i can live with people knowing. (I dont think i would get called pretty as much if people thought i was a natal female either and i do like to be called pretty lol). Whereas having my downstair mix-up is horrible, i have wanted rid of that since I was a kid!

I think what im trying to get at is that people can accept me for being trans but I CANT accept myself while i have that crap between my legs. Thats just me, im not trying to tell people what to do or anything lol

I think its more important to pass, at least in terms of how the rest of the world would see and interact with you.

But if I get a vagina, then how will I top my gay ex b/f?

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 03, 2011, 07:08:28 PM
But if I get a vagina, then how will I top my gay ex b/f?

you won't be able to. i think i would rather have a gay boyfriend. lots of the gay boyfriends are a hot commodity, and a woman with a vagina has no chance. i don't like the alpha males. gay is better.

Quote from: FullMoon19 on December 03, 2011, 07:15:29 PM
you won't be able to. i think i would rather have a gay boyfriend. lots of the gay boyfriends are a hot commodity, and a woman with a vagina has no chance. i don't like the alpha males. gay is better.

Most gay men are hotter than your average straight guy.

I mean  I obviously mean bi-curious gays or ones who like extreme femmes. I find a lot of gay men who find me attractive are more open minded than a clueless straight guy who got trapped.

But as for alpha males... I like them. I've dated several... They can be a bit controlling.

Either way, some of the people/friends in the straight guys family are gonna consider him a "flaming gay" anyways. It's just reality... They'd be more accepting of a transgender girl if he's out of the closet....and yes, there is a closet.

Option 2. That's where all the problems started for me.

Get rid of the testes asap and at least feel less hormonally male influenced and be better able to relate to females.. .. That was the best thing i ever did. That nasty male sex drive was goneeeeeeeeee yippeeeee ... the other stuff will follow as needed..

Can I have both? At first, passing was all that mattered. I I could care less about my genitals, so long as everyone perceived me correctly.

Now, three months on HRT, and having learned that I pass easily, my dysphoria has decided to smack me right in the nuts. Zing!

But in all seriousness, I would pick being perceived correctly as a woman, than to have a vagina and look like a man. I just want both, though. I can be selfish, right? I want my Okeefe cake, and eat it too!

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 03, 2011, 07:23:37 PM
Most gay men are hotter than your average straight guy.

I mean  I obviously mean bi-curious gays or ones who like extreme femmes. I find a lot of gay men who find me attractive are more open minded than a clueless straight guy who got trapped.

But as for alpha males... I like them. I've dated several... They can be a bit controlling.

Either way, some of the people/friends in the straight guys family are gonna consider him a "flaming gay" anyways. It's just reality... They'd be more accepting of a transgender girl if he's out of the closet....and yes, there is a closet.

hmmm i think straight guys are hotter than gay guys for the most part.

I would much rather pass as a woman than have a vagina.  Your face, hair, et cetera is seen everyday as opposed to your vagina, so I'll go with passing.

Quote from: MsDazzler on December 04, 2011, 01:15:33 PM

hmmm i think straight guys are hotter than gay guys for the most part.

Agreed. From my experience gay guys are too femmy looking and acting for the most part. I like my boyfriends to be straight and reeking with testosterone otherwise there isn't much point dating them in my opinion.

Quote from: Icephoenyx on December 04, 2011, 11:27:59 PM
Agreed. From my experience gay guys are too femmy looking and acting for the most part. I like my boyfriends to be straight and reeking with testosterone otherwise there isn't much point dating them in my opinion.

I date gays... But they could pass for straight... How else would I access threesomes?

  Funny how alot of really hot guys turn out to be gay! 

Quote from: Rukia87xo on December 04, 2011, 11:58:42 PM
  Funny how most really hot guys turn out to be gay! 

I can't believe all my ex boyfriends turned out to be gay. Like I thought he was playing with my penis for his health. I spent the week in WeHo this weekend, ton of hot men... None of them straight.

LOL

 This question is a popular dilemma... one or the other, there still entails some sort of discomfort of suffering. However, I would choose to pass as a woman over having a vagina, if I had to have a choice. While having this penis and its testes is quite bothersome, being seen and treated as a man would be far more painful in my everyday life... it would be impossible for me to try to present as female if I could not even approach passing, and having a vagina would cut me off from relationships - if I couldn't pass, having a vagina would end up making things worse for me.

On the other hand, passing with a penis would allow me to live comfortably and happily. While I would have to remain celibate for my entire life, because I absolutely hate sex for as long as I have that thing, I believe that the trade-off would be much happier than the other option. But neither would result in real happiness.

To me, passing is more important. But either way is fine, as long as you are happy with yourself:)