Quote from: Joandelynn on November 13, 2011, 05:41:33 AM
That masculine looking person may be a lot happier and confident than the good looking one who is constantly facing rejection when people find out what's in the pants.

   Lol, being able to leave my apartment without fear of being rejected by society sounds much more appealing IMHO.

Quotethe good looking one who is constantly facing rejection when people find out what's in the pants.

  It's not just about sex, it's about looking the part & blending in with other women.

i would rather be a really beautiful female than have a vagina, but look like a man. having a vagina but looking like a man won't benefit you since you'll never pass and if you do get a guy to have sex with you, it will just be something for him to do when he is bored. he could always leave you for the next flavor of the month, so it wouldn't make a difference. a vagina is just something to do, but any guy worth the longhaul for me would be one who loves me on a deeper emotional level, and not just sex. also, i wouldn't go around like a common tramp door to door for sex. there's only one guy i anticipate to show any of my naked body to when the time is right, and i'll make sure he's definately the right one beforehand.

people can't use xray vision to tell what's in your pants, but they see everything else. anyway, this should speak volumes. if i had to choose between ffs if my face were masculine or srs, i would choose ffs.

Quote from: FullMoon19 on November 13, 2011, 04:18:11 PM
i would rather be a really beautiful female than have a vagina, but look like a man. having a vagina but looking like a man won't benefit you since you'll never pass and if you do get a guy to have sex with you, it will just be something for him to do when he is bored. he could always leave you for the next flavor of the month, so it wouldn't make a difference. a vagina is just something to do, but any guy worth the longhaul for me would be one who loves me on a deeper emotional level, and not just sex. also, i wouldn't go around like a common tramp door to door for sex. there's only one guy i anticipate to show any of my naked body to when the time is right, and i'll make sure he's definately the right one beforehand.

people can't use xray vision to tell what's in your pants, but they see everything else. anyway, this should speak volumes. if i had to choose between ffs if my face were masculine or srs, i would choose ffs.

I assumed every guy who wanted me was a ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-. I've yet to actually meet one. They all assumed I was a natural born girl with a real vagina. Which is a double edge sword I suppose.

So  I guess that answers my own question about passability. I don't know, I see guys react weird...apparently that is them checking me out. Like at the car show today... they smiled around me. But of course, I thought it was hostile. I am not exactly the friendliest person in public. In fact, guys have had to get my attention by acting like jerks...Because I roll my eyes at everyone.

But yeah, it's weird...when they were like, "I assumed you were a natural born girl..." and then say, "Yeah, I am not into having sex with transgirls. But you're very beautiful"

Meh, I'm ok with not so ugly personally.  Being considered pretty seems to attract some real creeps.   

Quote from: Jaime on November 13, 2011, 06:42:52 PM
Meh, I'm ok with not so ugly personally.  Being considered pretty seems to attract some real creeps.

Creeps? Yeah, constantly.... Guys stop their car and stalk me. It is really scary. plus, I had some guys at work who lacked social grace and didn't get the clue.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 13, 2011, 06:33:16 PM
I assumed every guy who wanted me was a ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-. I've yet to actually meet one. They all assumed I was a natural born girl with a real vagina. Which is a double edge sword I suppose.

So  I guess that answers my own question about passability. I don't know, I see guys react weird...apparently that is them checking me out. Like at the car show today... they smiled around me. But of course, I thought it was hostile. I am not exactly the friendliest person in public. In fact, guys have had to get my attention by acting like jerks...Because I roll my eyes at everyone.

But yeah, it's weird...when they were like, "I assumed you were a natural born girl..." and then say, "Yeah, I am not into having sex with transgirls. But you're very beautiful"

then on the other side of the coin, i doubt many guys will want sex with someone who looks like a man in the clothes of a woman, but has a vagina. when a guy wants sex, he's usually just worried about finding something that meets his fancy. as long as he isn't tied down by marriage, he will most likely just be wanting sex with whatever looks most appealing until he actually finds out there's more to life than sex. i don't know what guys think, but that sounds like how most of them go through just because of all the mantras on men taking longer to grow up.

Quote from: FullMoon19 on November 13, 2011, 07:28:34 PM
then on the other side of the coin, i doubt many guys will want sex with someone who looks like a man in the clothes of a woman, but has a vagina. when a guy wants sex, he's usually just worried about finding something that meets his fancy. as long as he isn't tied down by marriage, he will most likely just be wanting sex with whatever looks most appealing until he actually finds out there's more to life than sex. i don't know what guys think, but that sounds like how most of them go through just because of all the mantras on men taking longer to grow up.

I am proud to have a penis and have no problem with it. I got what I wanted in my transition....

Well there's lifelong ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-s. I mean I've met them in the ->-bleeped-<- district of SF. I think they are turned by the andro than the binary.

Quote from: Rukia87xo on November 13, 2011, 03:10:03 PM
Lol, being able to leave my apartment without fear of being rejected by society sounds much more appealing IMHO.

I have seen both people that look very masculine and have no problem with society at all, and people that look very good, but are extremely scared, and still leave their house dressed as a guy. Of course looking good will help, but in the end it's all about confidence.

Let's not forget that there are plenty of women that look very masculine too, and they also seem to do fine.

Quote from: Rukia87xo on November 13, 2011, 03:10:03 PM

   Lol, being able to leave my apartment without fear of being rejected by society sounds much more appealing IMHO.


  It's not just about sex, it's about looking the part & blending in with other women.

+5

In my therapy group. Most of the girls(who were IT nerd "guys" with long hair during the day) only dressed up after work. They all looked awkward. Afraid to come out to their coworkers.

Yeah, it's not about sex. Most straight men would run away anyways, the idea freaks a lot of them out. The masculine ones get it from ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-s. I at least have men chasing men who think I was born with the part naturally. Rather they be honest and not stick around, then to stick around and chase me for my PENIS. They leave me with my dignity.

Straight-straight men aren't going to be into transsexual women, even if they have the part. It takes an open minded/bi man.

Quote from: Venus-Castina on December 06, 2011, 02:58:17 AM
In my experience looking obviously male while trying to present female draws a lot of unwanted atention and devastating comments which leaves the 'confidence' in ruins and torpedoes the happyness.

Just wondering, but are you talking about other people or about your own experience now? Because on the photos that you posted you definitely don't look 'obviously male' to me.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 14, 2011, 03:26:58 AM
Straight-straight men aren't going to be into transsexual women, even if they have the part. It takes an open minded/bi man.

Ive been with a few guys who are completely straight. Its a load of bull to say we can only be with bi men.

Quote from: Krissy_Is_A_Gem on December 07, 2011, 11:56:57 PM
Ive been with a few guys who are completely straight. Its a load of bull to say we can only be with bi men.

Well straight men don't usualyl date women who used to present as bros.

Quote from: Krissy_Is_A_Gem on December 07, 2011, 11:56:57 PM
Ive been with a few guys who are completely straight. Its a load of bull to say we can only be with bi men.

i think that's why she included the "open minded" part. let's face it, a cisgendered person who is not willing to challenge their learned beliefs is almost impossible to count on accepting us.

Written word can come across in many different meanings depending on the person. My experience is there are a lot of hetero men out there who arnt phased by a girls background. It all does boil down to how mentally attractive you are to a person. Oh believe me I get a huge number of knock backs but at the same time Im quite happy with the number who are prepared to meet me.

Ive only met two straight guys who have been open about not minding a trans-womans past. One i met online and things went well untill i realised i wasnt ready for a relationship at that point. The other guy is dating my friend who is also trans.

very few straight men hang around gay bars though they may go in as a gang to have a laugh...same goes for straight women.   Manchesters Canal Street clubs had to start banning the groups of women who turned up just to make fun of the various TGs/Tv/TS around.

Quote from: lilacwoman on December 08, 2011, 06:42:02 AM
very few straight men hang around gay bars though they may go in as a gang to have a laugh...same goes for straight women.   Manchesters Canal Street clubs had to start banning the groups of women who turned up just to make fun of the various TGs/Tv/TS around.

Ehrm, I don't really get what point you are trying to make? Of course straight guys don't go to gay bars. If you want to find straight guys you should go somewhere else.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 08, 2011, 12:03:46 AM
Well straight men don't usualyl date women who used to present as bros.

  That's why you don't tell them my dear Mahsa. 

Quote from: Rukia87xo on December 08, 2011, 08:22:37 PM
  That's why you don't tell them my dear Mahsa. 

You tell them eventually, after they've got the taste.

But seriously...I'd rather meet a straight man at a gay bar than go to a straight bar and have to fight off the men with a bar stool.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 08, 2011, 10:38:20 PM
You tell them eventually, after they've got the taste.

But seriously...I'd rather meet a straight man at a gay bar than go to a straight bar and have to fight off the men with a bar stool.

not to mention having to do the big "->-bleeped-<- surprise". lol. I've done them in my heydays.