Quote from: lilacwoman on December 08, 2011, 02:19:35 AM

Quote from: RhinoP
And to the people my age, if you're much uglier than that, you either look manly or look ugly. Things just aren't as "free" at my age, where

Thanks for that RhinoP...but I have to say that there are an awful lot of 40/50/60 year old MTFs walking round town living a nice happy womans life even though they may have started out very male while you're stuck in Cinderalla land dreaming.
Very few of us have the aim of wanting to be a hot chick - we just wanna be like other women.

Some of us seem to have a better grip on reality, lilacwoman.. I'm not transitioning to be a hot chick, I'm doing it because I'm a woman.

 
Lets calm down.

Please


Cindy

In my opinion, you should AT LEAST take hormones for a year before deciding whether or not you need facial surgery because you will be surprised by how much they will change you.
Even if your skeletal make up seems manly now, it may reflect a unique beauty later on.
I remember 10 months ago, before starting HRT, I knew I wanted facial surgery. I planned everything out ahead of time, made up my mind, and was dead set on it, but now I'm completely happy with my appearance aside from my teeth but that's just orthodontic stuff.

Learning to look in the mirror and love what you see instead of hating yourself is one of the hardest things a woman can do. Especially male to female transitioners.
We are all beautiful and exactly as mother nature intended us to be.

Question: How many people here are successful actresses, musicians, models, or any of the things I listed? How many of you folks actually have an attractive boyfriend (fit body, confident personality, symmetrical face)? How many of you haven't been picked on in the last year, haven't been called a man by some skateboarding kid walking down the block?

Quite frankly, I'm certainly the one dreaming, and I'm certainly the one who believes I'll achieve something much bigger than anything on this forum because I'm just not going to give up on what I know is right for me. And also, anyone who says that being 50 or 60 is the same as being 20 is truly incorrect; girls look so much different (and softer, girlier, and younger) at age 20, and they also go to college at that age and it all puts more emphasis on looking like that if you are a 20 year old MTF. At 50 and 60, menopause and pregnancy and being fat and haggard makes MANY natal elderly women look very manly, which puts MUCH less pressure on the MTF's who are that age....especially when those MTF's are way too old to try for the careers I'm trying for. Not saying that there aren't middle aged women who are stunningly beautiful (both natal and MTF), but there's certainly much less pressure out there IMO - my own mother even looks just like a man! Stick any middle aged MTF in a room with her and they'll feel great about themselves!

(^I know there's HUNDREDS of pressures even on age 40+ Transwomen, I'm truly just exaggerating when I say there's none, but if there's hundreds of pressures on older Transwomen, there's THOUSANDS on young Transwomen.)

Hate to be blunt, but it's the truth. Sure, many people here are happy with their lives, and like I've said many times before, I'm sure those lives are very.... low-key... and that is not something I'm looking for in life, I find it boring merely to be a woman and absolutely nothing else. Even just being attractive is better than not being anyone at all. Some of the people here are so one-sided and "I'm a real MTF because I only care about having a vagina and nothing else." that I don't blame folks for considering this to be a mental disorder. REAL people, REAL women, care about more in life than genitalia or wearing a dress, and its why natal women get more plastic surgery than MTF's could ever dream of, 95% of the patients I've counseled are straight, natal women. Natal women get bullied for being manly, at my age, just as much as MTF's do, and it's why teenagers are getting plastic surgery by the dozens. This isn't 1975, some of the ugliest people are becoming physically attractive by a surgeon's knife, thus even opening the way for possibilities into media careers if that person wants, where just decacdes ago, it would have been entirely impossible unless a revolution in the media happened where everyone started loving huge noses and prominent big forheads and balding and acne and all that.

I mean, I'm not being super critical about my looks, I believe my before and after shows a picture that is revolutional, yet is by technicalities and surgical changes actually conservative, and I only want 2 surgical procedures done, 3 max. Certainly isn't anything odd for today's MTF. And hormones won't do a thing beyond tightening up my chin (may knock off the need for facial fillers in my chin) and may by tiny proportions change my nose, and clear up the oil and acne. It WILL make me a bit more confident, but not fully. Problem is, it'll put off my surgeries for like 2 years, and I just can't have that.

To be blunt, people who are successful actresses, musicians, models, start doing that in their teens.  Like Lady Gaga who started performing at 13.  If you really wanted to do any of that you'd be in LA or NYC, because that's where the success it.

I'll keep checking in over the next year to see how you get the beautiful face and the gorgeous guy...but I do think your best friends should be the hammer you smash all your mirrors and cameras with and the virus that takes photobucket off your comp.
beauty on the outside has a lot to do with whats on the inside and FFS is no substitute for personality so I hope you get your dream face.

Quote from: RhinoP on December 08, 2011, 12:13:27 AM
I'll post the same image, but with my entire skull coming into view, which honestly I think helps emphasize what I believe about my face. Beyond not looking remotely like a woman in the picture on the left, I believe my face also looks "knobbly" because of my rounded or exaggerated features, much like a "Midget's" face (I believe I resemble, by feature comparison, the boy from the show "Little People, Big World" - http://www.truefilms.com/LittlePeople4.jpg ) Sadly, I've seen many female and male midgets with much more symmetrical and less knobbly features than I have. It's truly very depressing, in my opinion.:

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee437/RPlace123/Morph.jpg






This time, I erased all the facial hair on the "current me" photo on the left, to show what I look like completely shaven. Not much improvement. And hormones do not change brow and nose structure... I'd KILL to look like the photo on the right, I'm not exactly sure if it looks strictly female, but I believe that's what I should have been born looking like. I actually looked just like that up until puberty, where male hormones caused an extreme growth in my nasal tip and forehead, so idk. I was happy as a child, and I want to look like that again. I'm tired of having the exact features that you see on Neanderthals:

http://www.erichufschmid.net/Neanderthals/Neanderthal-man.jpg

Even this caveman has a 10x smaller nose than me!!! Though the forehead is EXACTLY the same shape. On the caveman, his forehead sticks out exactly as far as his chin, and yet on me, my forehead sticks out farther than my chin. It's ridiculous! I look like a caveman, and I literally have Neanderthal features (rounded, prominent forehead/rounded, prominent nasal tip) that you see on that species! It's what I was called all through high school, I know it to be true!

P.S. Also on the morphed photo, the petite features truly make me look very intelligent, like a high-strung classical composer. On my "current" photo, I look like a brute or a "country boy". Since I'm a screenwriter, composer, actor/actress, author, pianist, vocalist, percussionist, fashion designer, CEO, choreographer, cinematographer, editor, and artist in real life, I choose the intellectual look anyway regardless of my gender goals. Not saying I'm successful at any of those given fields, but I've performed/been paid/had my work publicized in all those fields at some point in my very short life, and when you look like a "Billy Bob Country Boy" like my features do, the whole world is against anything you do that is considered "modern".

Basically, this is an example of what a college girl MY AGE is supposed to look like, this is the AVERAGE girl my age that I see on the streets. I am not 50 years old, I'm not 60 years old, and I'm not fat or tall. I'm 5'4 and 115lbs. Any girl my size is 10000X cuter than me. This is a normal girl my age:

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/376567_189458944479458_100002460616692_382828_760849441_n.jpg

And to the people my age, if you're much uglier than that, you either look manly or look ugly. Things just aren't as "free" at my age, where none of the intelligent and fashionable gals have gotten pregnant 4 times and now look like men. It's a completely different aesthetic to be young, and in my age group, I just don't think I pass one bit, from any angle. I don't believe even surgery will make me pass 100%, but it will indeed make me look like my personality, which is just as important to me.

I do look like a midget


Y'all don't look that bad , the average college girl don't look like that, get a hair cut , leave the front, just shorter at the back, and 5'4" is a midget where I come from









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wow    u spent 12k on a rhino and i got mine for 2.5k