Quote from: Keaira on January 26, 2012, 11:01:12 PM
Not that calling her an 'it' was right, but I can see how she was mistaken for a guy.

that was my point from a previous post response

Quote from: Wonderdyke on January 26, 2012, 07:32:51 PM
The truth is, though, that the face is the most important cue that people use to gender people, closely followed by the body.

Actually your voice is more important than your body in most cases and can make up for a manly face.

You know what else is a real killer?  Sunlight. If you can pass out in the sunshine, you've got it made. Not kidding.

Quote from: Stephe on January 26, 2012, 11:11:11 PM
Actually your voice is more important than your body in most cases and can make up for a manly face.

Um, I tend to agree.
If I get an odd look, I give a smile, say "Hello" and the ice/questioning attitude is broken, 10/10.

All I can say,
Axélle

Quote from: Stephe on January 26, 2012, 11:11:11 PM
Actually your voice is more important than your body in most cases and can make up for a manly face.

Dunno what to say.  I know when my voice got absolutely trashed by a couple of bouts of bronchitis I didn't have any trouble, because of how I looked.

These discussions about "what gets you clocked?" regularly reappear and go on ad infinitum.

The answer is always the same - it's not especially a specific thing that gets you clocked, it's having a combination of too many things.

There are tall girls, girls with large feet, girls with large hands, girls wih thick necks, girls with very slim hips, girls with broad shoulders etc etc etc

You get read when the amount of maleness you are carrying adds up to too much.
When people are wondering but not sure, then voice and confidence can carry you through.

Quote from: Annah on January 26, 2012, 09:14:34 PM
ive seen some cis women mistaken for trans too. Hell, some cis women were even kicked out of women's bathrooms.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21246685/ns/today-today_people/t/bounced-bathroom-being-different/#.TyIUjPnp4v0

she dresses like a man and uses the womens bathroom?

its like a transgender (mtf) passable, goes to the mens bathroom.


sorry but if you dont wanna get mistaken for another gender, dont dress yourself like it. otherwise you shouldn't WHINE about the cruelty of society.

I go in the Men's Room at school, I can get suspended if I use the ladies. >_>

Quote from: Zylphia on January 27, 2012, 08:16:15 AM
I go in the Men's Room at school, I can get suspended if I use the ladies. >_>

That's so stupid. It's just a bathroom, it shouldn't be such a big deal.
I've even seen cis girls in the mens bathroom at my college because the ladies was full. Luckily my college isn't very strict.

Yeah the VP told me if I kept using the girls washroom he would have to suspend me. :c

Quote from: Zylphia on January 27, 2012, 09:26:35 AM
Yeah the VP told me if I kept using the girls washroom he would have to suspend me. :c

British Columbia does have gender identity read into the Charter of Rights. http://www.bchrcoalition.org/files/GroundsProtection.html#Sex
You might point that out to your VP.

I would also suggest getting a letter from the doctor who is prescribing your HRT that explains your situation and that you are expected to use women's facilities during your RLE. He might still refuse, but if he's not a complete ->-bleeped-<- he also might bend.

Otherwise you get into taking a human rights complaint against the school and that is just an ugly complicated mess even if you do win.

Oh well I guess I'll just avoid public restrooms for the rest of my life. :U

CYA! That's pretty much become the name of the game. Like myself, I had HR's blessing at work before I even set foot in the women's restroom.

So annoyed.  Do you realize that so many transgender women are passing off Prejudice as "reality."  I mean seriously  Eugenics MUCH?   Seriously.  If most of you said these kinds of things about women in a regular workplace you'd be frickin' fired.


>>>>>>Disgusted.

Mixie, I know of an MtF who was let go from her job, while she was starting her transition, for using the women's bathroom. When I started mine and went full time at work, there was such a storm about it that I sat outside in a break area crying for 2 hours! If I had not spoken with HR about my transition before hand, I have no doubt I would still be unemployed. Indiana has no protections for transsexuals. THAT is the reality I face. And I still get extremely nervous when a group of women come into the restroom when I'm in there. I will hold it in and do the potty dance before I go potty when people go to break.  Some women will walk out if they see me in there. They knew me as a guy for 3 years. I thought that my being helpful, polite, etc. would have been the way to go before I started my transition, but it didn't help much.

Quote from: Zylphia on January 27, 2012, 12:38:32 PM
Oh well I guess I'll just avoid public restrooms for the rest of my life. :U

You'll be fine

You're just in a school right now that's funny about this.

I have been using the women's bathroom for a couple years now with no incident. ....even the bathrooms at Seminary.

You have to "feel" out where you are...if you are at a place where they all knew you as a man, it will be hard because they saw you as a man for awhile. When you start to move on where people just don't know about your male gender past, it'll become a helluva lot easier.

Also, when you go into your profession, be sure to include how they see diversity as part of your decision. I do that too

Quote from: mixie on January 29, 2012, 08:11:34 PM
So annoyed.  Do you realize that so many transgender women are passing off Prejudice as "reality."  I mean seriously  Eugenics MUCH?   Seriously.  If most of you said these kinds of things about women in a regular workplace you'd be frickin' fired.


>>>>>>Disgusted.

What the hell are you disgusted by?    Prejudice might not be your reality but it certainly is for many others.

Quote from: Annah on January 30, 2012, 01:08:13 AM

You have to "feel" out where you are...if you are at a place where they all knew you as a man, it will be hard because they saw you as a man for awhile. When you start to move on where people just don't know about your male gender past, it'll become a helluva lot easier.

It is hard. I'm getting to where I don't even bother to correct people when they use the wrong pronouns because it does me no good. And when they keep calling me 'He' its really wearing on my patience as well as my self esteem, what little I have anyway.

Quote from: Hermione01 on January 30, 2012, 01:22:44 AM
What the hell are you disgusted by?    Prejudice might not be your reality but it certainly is for many others.

I am disgusted by the perpetuation of prejudice by the justification that sounds a whole heckofalot like "She asked for it"  "She was stupid"  "She should have known."


Comments that come across remarkably like a black person saying that if a dark skinned black man walked into a racist town and got lynched,  he should have known better.   As if it's his own fault.


Prejudice is everyone's reality.  It's not a badge of honor to say you are prejudiced against.   Everyone has experienced it in one way or another.  It's not a competition for authority to say if you've been discriminated against,  that somehow if you then make prejudiced statements,  it's your right to do so.