Frankly, I've been curious about this for a while, and I want to know what you guys think?

Honestly, I've loved drag queens for years.
I have the utmost respect for them and what they do, and of course, I think they're absolutely fabulous.
And yes, I am a HUGE fan of RuPaul's Drag Race, I'll admit that here and now.

However, I've been wondering...
Would an FtM involved in drag (And NOT as a Drag King, mind you)
Be considered a 'real' Drag Queen? And would they be "Allowed" to do so?
Like during shows and stuff? Or would most of them not allow it because they were born as females?
I've been curious, not that I'd ever have the confidence to do it, but because maybe I'd like to dress up in drag and take pictures of it.
I'm not really into the idea of being scrutinized, but if I am, then I'll deal with it with a grain of salt.

I just want to know what you guys think about it.
Mind you, I have no clue if an FtM Drag Queens already exist out there...

Also, Sharon Needles, I ->-bleeped-<-*** love you! <3


Edited for language.

Uhh, I'd be one the bandwagon that says they can be.

And please do.
I'll be your number one fan.
*never seen an FtM drag queen*

Quote from: GentlemanRDP on March 01, 2012, 01:01:42 PM


Also, Sharon Needles, I f***ing love you! <3

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

its essential for  adrag queen to hav male genitals as that is their attraction to their core audience so without the genitals you won't be taken serisouly as a DQ but may find work in burlesque

I've actually looked it up a little just now,
And apparently they exist, but finding pictures of them is proving very hard.
I'm wondering if that's because they don't want people to think that they're 'really' not trans for dressing like women?

And YES! Another Needles fan! <3 Woohoo!

Quote from: lilacwoman on March 01, 2012, 01:08:20 PM
its essential for  adrag queen to hav male genitals as that is their attraction to their core audience so without the genitals you won't be taken serisouly as a DQ but may find work in burlesque

Well, honestly, I'm not trying to find 'work'
I just want to take pictures because I rather fancy whoring myself out on DA in tasteful and fun ways.
But I totally understand what you're saying about target audience and what not.
So does that mean that it would be acceptable for an FtM whose had bottom surgery?

Quote from: lilacwoman on March 01, 2012, 01:08:20 PM
its essential for  adrag queen to hav male genitals as that is their attraction to their core audience so without the genitals you won't be taken serisouly as a DQ but may find work in burlesque

lol Drag Queens tuck their junk.
and i don't think it's ever questioned if any drag queen is actually male or not.

Sounding like a guy is pretty much enough for everyone to believe it.

I have no experience at all with drag but I completely fail to see what genitalia have to do with it.
You'd just skip the whole tucking thing which surely is not the higlight of a drag performance?

Go nuts =p

Quote from: JoeyD on March 01, 2012, 01:15:15 PM
lol Drag Queens tuck their junk.
and i don't think it's ever questioned if any drag queen is actually male or not.

Sounding like a guy is pretty much enough for everyone to believe it.

Lol yeah, was just about to say that, pretty sure most performance spaces or whatever does a dick check on Queens.

But yeah, FTMs can be drag queens.  Not all people who transition to the male end of the spectrum  are out as FTM so they would be seen as just a man doing drag, ie: a drag queen.

There is no licensing committee or Drag Queen Board of Directors or anything like that to enforce any "rules"

Quote from: JoeyD on March 01, 2012, 01:15:15 PM
lol Drag Queens tuck their junk.
and i don't think it's ever questioned if any drag queen is actually male or not.

Sounding like a guy is pretty much enough for everyone to believe it.

Hahaa, good point there.

Unfortunately RuPaul's Drag Race doesn't allow transwomen even though the rules are:
"All contestants selected must be 21 years of age or older at the time of taping, and all contestants must be biological men".

Haha I guess it would be cheating though, since we are on HRT.
But going by that logic, transmen who are on T should be allowed.

I don't know where I'm going with this.

Well, I don't want to be on the show xD
I just love to watch it <3 And consider it a big inspiration.


Also...I just found,
Apparently, there are 'Bio-queens' out there,
Women born as women, who live as women, and who perform as queens.
So apparently genitalia doesn't have anything to do with it after all.
Cool :3

Here I come wig shop!

actually i have friends who worked in drag shows in Hamburg's Reeperbahn as pre-ops but once post-op they were shown the door.
Its essential for a drag queen to be male to feed the fantasies of hot sex for the males in the audience and to feed the transphobia of the females.

Have a good viewing of Priscilla Queen of the Desert - either the film or the stage play and see how maleness is essnetial in a drag queen.

So obviously, shows restrict them,
But apparently, it's not completely unheard of.

Quote from: lilacwoman on March 01, 2012, 02:05:13 PM
Have a good viewing of Priscilla Queen of the Desert - either the film or the stage play and see how maleness is essential in a drag queen.

I found a mistake in what you said, your consistency is lacking

Quote from: lilacwoman on March 01, 2012, 02:05:13 PM
Have a good viewing of Priscilla Queen of the Desert - either the film or the stage play and see how penis is essential in a drag queen.

Fixed it.


I don't mean to be catty, but I find the fact that you say 'Maleness' and equate it to 'Penis' as being somewhat offensive. Buck Angel wasn't born with a penis, and he is extremely male.

Quote from: GentlemanRDP on March 01, 2012, 02:10:08 PM
I found a mistake in what you said, your consistency is lacking

Fixed it.


I don't mean to be catty, but I find the fact that you say 'Maleness' and equate it to 'Penis' as being somewhat offensive. Buck Angel wasn't born with a penis, and he is extremely male.

This. 

Trans men can be drag queens. I've performed as a drag queen before.

Quote from: Nygeel on March 01, 2012, 02:27:42 PM
Trans men can be drag queens. I've performed as a drag queen before.

Awesome!

I have to ask,
Mind sharing your drag name?
If you had one that time of course?

don't fix what isn't broken.  its the maleness of the drag queens that is the attraction.

Quote from: lilacwoman on March 01, 2012, 02:43:33 PM
don't fix what isn't broken.  its the maleness of the drag queens that is the attraction.

I don't get why this matters so much to you.