Since I've started my HRT and my body starts changing I feel so attracted to myself, seriously, looking at myself in the mirror makes me really horny.

I'm bissexual, I like men, I find them really cute and lovely but I'm more sexually attracted to women.

Is it wrong? Do you guys feel that way too?

Quote from: luizamercantez on March 25, 2012, 02:55:36 PM
I feel so attracted to myself, seriously, looking at myself in the mirror makes me really horny.

Some may label that as narcissism.

No way, seriously?

I know exactly how you feel. Why? Because I have  ->-bleeped-<- which literally means "love of oneself as woman." I imagine you might experience this condition too. As the "auto" part suggests, simply your own person provides the sexual excitement. Here's a quick test. Do any of the following things make you aroused?

1. Imagining yourself wearing female's clothes (or actually wearing them)
2. Imagining yourself pregnant, lactating,  or urinating like a woman, or any other female bodily function
3. Imagining yourself with a female body (or actually having a female body in your case)
4.  Imagine yourself in a female social role or performing stereotypical female activities (house cleaning, cooking, etc.)

I imagine one or more of the above apply to you.

Quote from: jdinatale on March 25, 2012, 04:31:25 PM
I know exactly how you feel. Why? Because I have  ->-bleeped-<- which literally means "love of oneself as woman." I imagine you might experience this condition too. As the "auto" part suggests, simply your own person provides the sexual excitement. Here's a quick test. Do any of the following things make you aroused?

1. Imagining yourself wearing female's clothes (or actually wearing them)
2. Imagining yourself pregnant, lactating,  or urinating like a woman, or any other female bodily function
3. Imagining yourself with a female body (or actually having a female body in your case)
4.  Imagine yourself in a female social role or performing stereotypical female activities (house cleaning, cooking, etc.)

I imagine one or more of the above apply to you.

Exactly, I do feel aroused. I feel that way since I was 4, I always really wanted to be a woman but I feel sad because I thought that I only wanted that because I was some kind of sexual pervert ):

Today, after 2 years of HRT, I still feel that way but a little bit less because I'm getting used to be a woman.

Do you guys feel that way too? Is it wrong to feel this way? I mean, my doctor have diagnosed me with "Gender identity disorder" but I don't know, I still feel really bad for being this way.

BTW:  I'm not really interested in sex (or porn or that kind of stuff), in fact I'm virgin (I know, I'm a loser), I don't even masturbate myself very often... I don't really care about it, I just want to be beautiful.

  Well I am rather smexy looking so yeah sure why not! 

  No but seriously if your happy living as a woman then does it really matter?

  I don't think it's a big deal if your attracted to yourself, women, men, both, or even nothing at all.

  Just be yourself and don't sweat the small stuff!

I am simply stating what others may define it as.

The DSM IV has narcissism defined as

erotic gratification derived from admiration of one's own physical or mental attributes

If you disagree with it, take it up with the DSM. Not me.

Frankly, it doesn't bother me at all if the OP finds herself to be erotic to herself.

And she isn't suffering from ->-bleeped-<-. Don't proselytize her into believing that. She has her therapist who is helping her. Do not assume to be her therapist...especially the things you are going through right now. It isn't ethical.

To the OP: The best advice I can give you is tell your therapist exactly everything. I personally think you are more infatuated by the idea that you could one day have your dreams realized by looking into the mirror and seeing an actual transformation occurring. You stated you don't even masturbate that often...i dont think it has anything to do with ->-bleeped-<- (which is something to stay away from...believing in that is not healthy and it only makes yourself look like a sex object to yourself and for yourself. It's a theory that many doctors (MANY) has considered to be hacked pseudo science conjured by ill formed people (some who even has their licenses taken away from them).

Just be yourself, follow what your therapist is telling you, feel free to ask them anything, and be proud of yourself!

Can't say that I am, and can certainly say its a real bummer when women are attracted to me (cuz i haven't transitioned yet). Lol

I can't be the only fan of Fringe who imagines some naughty things would happen if I crossed the bridge into the alternate universe and met my double. Can I?

Quote from: Annah on March 25, 2012, 08:30:06 PM
Do not assume to be her therapist...especially the things you are going through right now. It isn't ethical.

Says the e-therapist who diagnosed luizamercantez with narcissism and diagnosed me with histrionic personality disorder. And you telling her that she doesn't have ->-bleeped-<- is no different than me suggesting that she might.

huh, are you guys straight, bi or lesbian?

I used to label myself as a lesbian but I like some guys too, some of them are sooooo cute :3 I love john krasinski (that one handsome dude from "The Office")

when I was a boy I used to hate myself so bad, everything, my body, my face and I couldn't even look at a mirror
then in a random day I was like "f**k this" and start the whole transition thing. Now I can't look at the mirror without having a boner

Quote from: jdinatale on March 25, 2012, 09:51:13 PM
Says the e-therapist who diagnosed luizamercantez with narcissism and diagnosed me with histrionic personality disorder. And you telling her that she doesn't have ->-bleeped-<- is no different than me suggesting that she might.

You may wish to reread what I stated....word for word before assuming things.

I said "some may label that as narcissism." Did I diagnose her? No. Read the post next time. I then quoted from the DSM to back up why some may see it as narcissistic. I then followed up by saying I don't care.

And you with Histrionic Personality disorder? I never diagnosed you with it...but let's just say I would not be shocked if a doctor said you did have it. You post things to divide people and to get people against each other. You did it here by attacking me (in which the moderators deleted). You post how your mom tried to kill herself because she hated what you become. You post what your therapist did against you. You post and post and post and you never listen to advice people give you. Then you'll post the same stuff on other sites. You never listen to the advice people give you.  People can see that and think you do it for attention.

I don't believe in ->-bleeped-<-. Only crazy cracked up therapist who got their degree from the 50s and never bothered to extend their education believe in that. I believe in ->-bleeped-<- in as much as I believe in Unicorns prancing around with rainbows shooting out of their arse.

So yeah, I wont lose much sleep hearing pearls of wisdom from you.

Quote from: Annah on March 25, 2012, 10:28:09 PM
You may wish to reread what I stated....word for word before assuming things.

I said "some may label that as narcissism." Did I diagnose her? No. Read the post next time. I then quoted from the DSM to back up why some may see it as narcissistic. I then followed up by saying I don't care.

And you with Histrionic Personality disorder? I never diagnosed you with it...but let's just say I would not be shocked if a doctor said you did have it. You post things to divide people and to get people against each other. You did it here by attacking me (in which the moderators deleted).

I don't believe in ->-bleeped-<-. Only crazy cracked up therapist who got their degree from the 50s and never bothered to extend their education believe in that crap. I believe in ->-bleeped-<- in as much as I believe in Unicorns prancing around with rainbows shooting out of their arse.

So yeah, I wont lose much sleep hearing pearls of wisdom from you.

Ray Blanchard defined ->-bleeped-<- as the propensity to become aroused at the thought of being a woman. How can you deny that such a phenomenon is real when people like myself testify that we experience it?

Blanchard vs several hundred therapist who disagrees with him. Hmm.

Anne Lawrence (one of the only couple of people) who backs up Blanchard's claims got her medical license stripped away because she admitted she got off on staring at women's private parts. Yeah...it doesn't take much of a decision for me.

And again, this proves my point you never listen to what others had said about all your other ->-bleeped-<- propaganda posts. There are DOZENS of post in your threads explaining why ->-bleeped-<- is foolish and only aims to harm the transgender population. Take some time and read the replies people took out of their time to answer.

Well, sexual attraction to oneself isn't exactly normal or what I'd qualify as healthy, but it's not the end of the world, either, I guess. But either way, I don't think it's something that is likely to lead you to a healthy life.

Anyway, I think it's the kind of issue you should bring up with your therapist. That, or see a sexologist if you can. As always, the worst it can do is nothing.

jdinatale: I don't think she's especially against the very idea of  ->-bleeped-<- (it's somewhat stupid to deny the very possibility of one being potentially excited at the thought of themself as the other sex, seeing all the sexual derivations and abonormalities that exist), but rather the theory that Ray Blanchard has as to how all male-to-female transsexuals who are not exclusively attracted to men (including lesbians, bisexuals, straights with a potential attraction to women and probably part of the asexuals) automatically do have  ->-bleeped-<-.

It's implicitly saying that any lesbian transsexual likes women because she's aroused at herself in the first place, which is very hard to believe, and extremely contested, both in the community and the professional field.

On the other hand, for him, the others are trans because they have "an extreme form of homosexuality". He's basically putting everything on sexual preferences, which experience, studies and common sense have proved wrong.

^ that.

The sad thing is, that reason has been explained countless of times in JD's threads...but JD doesn't read em. JD just creates a new ->-bleeped-<- thread.

For example, if you say to a therapist, "When I stare in a mirror and get excited" a therapist isn't going to say "oh you have ->-bleeped-<-." They will suggest other sexual reasons up to and including narcissism. The very definition of narcissism is being sexually or mentally attracted to oneself. It isn't ->-bleeped-<-.

That's like saying you have severe pain on your right side. People in the dark ages would say you probably were demon possessed and then draw your blood out with leeches. Today, doctors say it is appendicitis. Today, people exhibit the same symptoms of being demon possessed when they have appendicitis (by looking at medieval medical theory) but that doesn't mean they are demon possessed. It means they have appendicitis.

I've started a war

->-bleeped-<- is a touchy subject.

I felt the same way about the geosyncline hypothesis.

I think it is wonderful to be aroused by one's own body; treated the right way this can be very celebratory and self-affirming.  If this becomes obsessive it may be a problem, or be a reflection of other underlying issues.

BTW 'narcisssim' is a word to describe a personality trait or behaviour.  It is completely different from "Narcissistic Personality Disorder" mentioned in the DSM.

OK people I think this thread has gone 'Ring around the Roses' quite enough and is not serving any useful discussion but is creating friction.

I'm locking it for know.

If anyone believes there is something useful to continue with ask for it to be reinstated.

Cindy James
Global Moderator.