Quote from: pretty on April 05, 2012, 01:26:54 PM
Well, nudity is the state in which you can do the least to aid your passing. And... you don't go around naked outside anyway so what are you gonna do? The point of transition is passing to other people, you're never going to wake up and forget that you're trans. 

We're not supposed go out and about naked? Damn!

To me, the point of transition isn't so much about passing to others as it is about correcting something that's wrong with my body.

Quote from: Connie Anne on April 05, 2012, 01:54:51 PM
We're not supposed go out and about naked? Damn!

To me, the point of transition isn't so much about passing to others as it is about correcting something that's wrong with my body.

Well said Connie!

and...over the years i have enjoyed many a nude beach or "clothes optional" resort, I have ran into other trans folk at these places also, its not like "nude in public" its feeling the freedom of being nude and there just happens to be like minded people around doing the same thing

Baker Beach in San Francisco is the ideal place to lay in the sun nude;)

Quote from: pretty on April 05, 2012, 01:50:36 PM
Sorry, I guess it's a personal difference  I already feel comfortable with who I am, I just want to be able to be myself all the time. Of course, I wanna look fabulous without clothes for my bf  but otherwise it's not like I am gonna fool myself out of knowing what I started with.

I don't understand about "fooling" people though. I shouldn't look like a guy as far as I'm concerned so passing to people is just showing them a more honest representation of me. I want the world to see me for who I am. That's why I said it's about passing to other people... I don't need to pass to myself, since I already know who I am personally.

Quote from: Connie Anne on April 05, 2012, 01:54:51 PM
To me, the point of transition isn't so much about passing to others as it is about correcting something that's wrong with my body.

Connie got the gist of what I was saying is that we want the mental and physical image of our bodies to match.  There is something wrong I am going to fix.  Even you sort of said this with your fabulous without clothes for your bf.

It isn't about fooling yourself but rather seeing what your mind expects to see.

If I say I need to make my body match my mind then likely I will do things that make me pass better, but the focus is on myself.  If I say I want to look female to them then the focus is on them.  It is harder to say I am "trapping" someone if I am doing stuff for myself because I was the focus.  If they are the focus then they can say that you set out with the intention of fooling them.  It doesn't change what we are doing it just isn't as likely to be misinterpreted.

I have never really "dressed to impress" others or even a hint of 'fooling" but I can totally understand some people doing that...its all in their own state of mind.

Mine is to just make "Me" feel good about myself, and looking like a "girl" like my mind sez I am sure works good for my personal self esteem

Quote from: Connie Anne on April 05, 2012, 01:54:51 PM
To me, the point of transition isn't so much about passing to others as it is about correcting something that's wrong with my body.

Yes, but there are a spectrum of problems and your solution may differ from someone elses. For some it is about fitting into a social role and feminising enough to be accepted socially. Some MTFs never worry about what is in their underwear, but passing is a major concern to them.

Quote from: Beverley on April 05, 2012, 02:35:58 PM
Yes, but there are a spectrum of problems and your solution may differ from someone elses. For some it is about fitting into a social role and feminising enough to be accepted socially. Some MTFs never worry about what is in their underwear, but passing is a major concern to them.

Oh, absolutely. It seems to me that there are as many solutions to dysphoria and reasons for transitioning (or not) as there are people who encounter these things.

isnt that the truth!!!

Humans are a very complex creature for sure!!!

Quote from: Kelly J. P. on April 04, 2012, 11:55:55 PM
The fact that my body upsets me because it looks too masculine for me... is confirmation that I'm female. Painful confirmation.

  Ugh I know the feeling and it sucks. Even though I have a half decent body frame it's still not feminine enough and seeing a penis between my legs makes it worse.

  *Shudders*