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Regret after FFS and painful consequences...How do i go on!? Can barely breathe

Started by sysm29, April 09, 2012, 01:22:35 PM

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sonopoly

Sadly, this situation is why it's so hard for transfolks to get approval for hormones, surgery, etc. The anti-trans folks use these cases why trans people aren't legitimate.

I hope once you heal completely, you will be happy with your decision.
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Kelly J. P.

Quote from: sonopoly on April 10, 2012, 06:40:35 PM
Sadly, this situation is why it's so hard for transfolks to get approval for hormones, surgery, etc. The anti-trans folks use these cases why trans people aren't legitimate.

I hope once you heal completely, you will be happy with your decision.

This is more or less what I was thinking...

Best wishes :)
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wendy

Quote from: sonopoly on April 10, 2012, 06:40:35 PM
Sadly, this situation is why it's so hard for transfolks to get approval for hormones, surgery, etc. The anti-trans folks use these cases why trans people aren't legitimate.

I hope once you heal completely, you will be happy with your decision.

Anti-trans folks are probably trans.  I believe issue is around binary not Trans.
Trans people that try to be themselves have a lot of courage.  No decision is frequently a poor decision.  But when we make a decision we frequently need a little time to determine next decision.
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A

Amazon D: I'm pretty sure that a bone that has been shaped by T already then reshaped won't just regrow to its male form endlessly if you give it enough T. I think bones have one male form they can attain, and when that's done, not much more will change, especially if the bones are cut, in which case I don't think they grow like intact bone. It's almost like expecting a cut leg to grow back with growth hormones, unless I'm deeply mistaken.
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Misato

I haven't had any work done so I don't know anything about what it's like to be on the other side of such a thing or the time it takes to get used to the aftermath.  All I know is, since seeing the original post all I care about is if OP is doing better or not.  I hope they are.

Hang in there.
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Tristan

give it some time. i agree with others. i know for me it helped to spend the first two weeks at a recovery gouse with others, we had people in dif stages of the healing process. i hated mine at first too you will look better after like 4-6 weeks. im on week 5 i think myself.
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Trans Truth

I actually believe that most transwomen don't need FFS.

That's said, even those who have had FFS can pass as male. I have seen people have FFS then successfully detransition. It just means that FFS is not as dramatic as people think, especially after all the healing.
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El Capitan

This is such a sad situation :(

Pardon my curiosity but do you have any before photos? I can't tell what's been feminised and what's always been that way.

no offence intended!


EDIT: hang on, I'm confused, I snooped your profile for older posts to see if any pics there and in this thread you've posted a lot of pics that you say are before FFS but the first and last are rthe same as the post ffs pics you've posted in this thread? or am I being stupid/blind? :$

oh! unless the pics in this thread are not actually post FFS photos? in which case,  do you have any photos showing what do you look like now?

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carol_w

Ummm....these look EXACTLY like the same pictures you posted on February 23. 
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Jeneva

She is still less than two weeks post FFS so they wouldn't show much beyond a lot of swelling. I honestly think a lot of the problem here is just postoperative depression.
Blessed Be!

Jeneva Caroline Samples
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El Capitan

Quote from: Jeneva on April 11, 2012, 08:59:03 AM
She is still less than two weeks post FFS so they wouldn't show much beyond a lot of swelling. I honestly think a lot of the problem here is just postoperative depression.

good point about the swelling actually  :embarrassed:

I really thought I was on to something there aswell  :P
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sysm29

Quote from: El Capitan on April 11, 2012, 08:27:00 AM
This is such a sad situation :(

Pardon my curiosity but do you have any before photos? I can't tell what's been feminised and what's always been that way.

no offence intended!


EDIT: hang on, I'm confused, I snooped your profile for older posts to see if any pics there and in this thread you've posted a lot of pics that you say are before FFS but the first and last are rthe same as the post ffs pics you've posted in this thread? or am I being stupid/blind? :$

oh! unless the pics in this thread are not actually post FFS photos? in which case,  do you have any photos showing what do you look like now?

Those are my before photos.  I'm too afraid to post after ones.  They told me not to take any pictures for a long time.

I'll try and take a picture from the exact same angle trying to smile the exact same way I did before to see what actually changed.
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vanna

I would wait

they must of told you after FFS it can take up to one wholel year for the face and features to settle down into its positions

i had very aggressive ffs over 2 year ago and it took mine that long, no to say i was looking a state for a long time that passed fairly quickly

the facial changes though seemed to be different each month, very similar to my srs healing actually.
Everything seemed horrid, messy and a nightmare then suddenly it was all fine and no one sir'd me anymore which suited me fine although suprised me all the same

please be patient and deal with how you feel right now, surgery depression is horrid and makes you think and act differently.
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sysm29

I want to thank everyone that's taken the time to reach out to me and hold my hand.

Its now Day 12 and i'm starting to see a little bit more of the old me each day.

Maybe its a mixture of regret, the realization that i went too far, or maybe it is postoperative depression... i dont know...

The idea that FFS looks more radical than it actually is in the beginning and then it gradually looks more subtle was the goal...

I had a choice of philosophy and in the end I chose the "You want to look like you" philosophy.  There was a chaotic period of three months of deliberating over what I wanted to do  and i had many alternatives.

1. To do gradual FFS over time.  this would have taken longer and involved more thought processes.  Logistically it also would have meant making long-distance travel plans.  at the time we were so anxious and we thought we were ready. 

this is the piece-by-piece approach- Subtle rhinoplasty, just minor tweaking here and there, and as for the great source of unhappiness with my face- my long chin - i had originally considered going to San Francisco, to Dr. Ousterhout, for just a chin procedure, but that procedure cost around $15,000 and I decided that it was probably too much money if Dr. Spiegel could do the same procedure.

I don't know but according to the doctor in Boston, there is very little that can be done with long chins.  He had to make an OR decision at the last minute of what to do.... 

The gradual, piece-by-piece approach was now, looking back on this year, the most sound and safest approach...  It would have taken longer, involved getting on a plane probably, involved a lot more paperwork.  I may have not been able to do anything for a year, and when you're looking at individual procedures, then you wonder if you need FFS doctors at all for them, that you could possibly just go to a rhinoplasty surgeon and get a little tweak...

2. Do nothing.  I was at a place before I went up to Boston where I was unusually very happy with what I was seeing in the mirror.  I had just gotten a tanning product that dramatically, at least in my eyes, changed the way I felt about myself.  My confidence level was actually rising.  My last weeks with the old face, aside from the fact I couldn't see (my eyes since the beginning of the year have been terrible) were not all bad.

So I was at a place that was okay.  It wouldn't have killed me to wait.  I was on estrogen and gradually the estrogen would have begun to change my face.  Even with my long chin (the obsessive Body Dysmorphic feature) it looked much better when I tanned my face.  Ironically i still have a chin that i don't like, because we couldn't take off half, so we're reacting to everything the exact same way we did before.

Even when it comes to makeup, my approach has not changed, which may indicate that actually not that much of a change was made.. that it was all subtle enough, that even the face is in essence still the same.

3. Having the FFS.... which was what we did.

btw sorry this is so long

What I've learned:

1. That when we go in for plastic surgery or FFS or any kind of change, it is VERY SERIOUS and you must strongly consider that you might get something new and then wish you had the old one back.  This was unheard of before, but now it is all too real of a feeling.  I don't know if with time I'll become fully adjusted to what happened....

2. Becoming obsessed about one feature is always unhealthy.  For me it was my chin, and becuase of that, we wound up asking for a whole new face, or at least alterations to the old one.  It is called Body Dysmorphic Disorder, and it is dangerous.  Plastic surgery does not seem like the solution to someone that has traits of BDD.... it might seem that surgery will make all your  problems go away, but it is never that easy or that simple. 

3. Having surgery hurts.  People had said this was painless.  Even the doctor did.  I don't know what point of reference he was speaking from, but you don't ever listen to the doctor... even the laser hair removal specialists say that their procedures are just "a tingle" or that they are painless.  They haven't been through it and most of them are cisgender women who never had the problems we had.  It is TEN- TWENTY times more painful to have these procedures done....  so just don't believe everything you hear.... its surgery, its going to hurt.  I said I was prepared for the worst but I had no idea what I was getting myself into so I couldn't possibly know what it would feel like...

4. that faces don't really matter.  That a transition should be about just LIVING your life as a female... i never got this, i never understood it.... for me it was always, "Well, I'll stay James unless i can be pretty and then I'll become a woman."  NO NO NO NO NO NO NO -

Transition and being transgender has absolutely NOTHING to do with standrads of beauty, with perfection, with glamour.... its about living your life, its about being yourself, and by yourself, I never realized this before, but being yourself does not mean Looking perfectly the way you envisioned your female identity to look like - its a Faceless state of mind... its a conception of a new reality - that you are female, not a drag queen, not a cross-dresser, not ambiguous, not anything else but a woman....

IF YOU BELIEVE IT, OTHER PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE IT TOO.  Its hard for me to understand how I could be a woman without looking like one, or without looking like the fantasy we have in our mind of how we want to look... but the truth and the reality is that eventually, we need to just let go... we need to let go of all of the superificial crap, and allow our spirits to heal, allow our spirit to live....

and you don't need a face to have a spirit.  You don't even need to look like a woman to be one.  You need to believe it, and once you do, then that's all that matters.
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Devlyn

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Beverley

Quote from: sysm29 on April 11, 2012, 10:01:14 AM
4. that faces don't really matter.  That a transition should be about just LIVING your life as a female... i never got this, i never understood it.... for me it was always, "Well, I'll stay James unless i can be pretty and then I'll become a woman."  NO NO NO NO NO NO NO -

Transition and being transgender has absolutely NOTHING to do with standrads of beauty, with perfection, with glamour.... its about living your life, its about being yourself, and by yourself, I never realized this before, but being yourself does not mean Looking perfectly the way you envisioned your female identity to look like - its a Faceless state of mind... its a conception of a new reality - that you are female, not a drag queen, not a cross-dresser, not ambiguous, not anything else but a woman....

IF YOU BELIEVE IT, OTHER PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE IT TOO.  Its hard for me to understand how I could be a woman without looking like one, or without looking like the fantasy we have in our mind of how we want to look... but the truth and the reality is that eventually, we need to just let go... we need to let go of all of the superificial crap, and allow our spirits to heal, allow our spirit to live....

and you don't need a face to have a spirit.  You don't even need to look like a woman to be one.  You need to believe it, and once you do, then that's all that matters.

Many of us say this, but it is so hard to understand until you achieve that mind-set. Your journey to that point has been unusual but at least you can now see it. You know about the mindset now. You know what we mean.

I suspect that the shock of seeing your new self was upsetting, but now you will get used to it and it will bother you less. Do not judge yourself harshly - even if was a mistake it is not a bad one and it will probably benefit you in the end. Good can come of this.

Now you can continue your journey, but at a slower pace perhaps. This place helps. I am having a bad time myself at the moment and the people here have rallied round and helped me feel better. I am sure we will do the same for you. This is not a disaster. Learn to accept yourself and forgive yourself. It will come out OK in the end.

Give yourself time.

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Jeneva

Quote from: sysm29 on April 11, 2012, 10:01:14 AM
3. Having surgery hurts.  People had said this was painless.  Even the doctor did.  I don't know what point of reference he was speaking from, but you don't ever listen to the doctor... even the laser hair removal specialists say that their procedures are just "a tingle" or that they are painless.  They haven't been through it and most of them are cisgender women who never had the problems we had.  It is TEN- TWENTY times more painful to have these procedures done....  so just don't believe everything you hear.... its surgery, its going to hurt.  I said I was prepared for the worst but I had no idea what I was getting myself into so I couldn't possibly know what it would feel like...

4. that faces don't really matter.  That a transition should be about just LIVING your life as a female... i never got this, i never understood it.... for me it was always, "Well, I'll stay James unless i can be pretty and then I'll become a woman."  NO NO NO NO NO NO NO -

Transition and being transgender has absolutely NOTHING to do with standrads of beauty, with perfection, with glamour.... its about living your life, its about being yourself, and by yourself, I never realized this before, but being yourself does not mean Looking perfectly the way you envisioned your female identity to look like - its a Faceless state of mind... its a conception of a new reality - that you are female, not a drag queen, not a cross-dresser, not ambiguous, not anything else but a woman....

IF YOU BELIEVE IT, OTHER PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE IT TOO.  Its hard for me to understand how I could be a woman without looking like one, or without looking like the fantasy we have in our mind of how we want to look... but the truth and the reality is that eventually, we need to just let go... we need to let go of all of the superificial crap, and allow our spirits to heal, allow our spirit to live....

and you don't need a face to have a spirit.  You don't even need to look like a woman to be one.  You need to believe it, and once you do, then that's all that matters.

Have you talked to the Dr about what level of pain medication he feels is appropriate?

Before I had surgery I found people claiming to wean off the pain meds in a few days. But my nursing support made it clear that was ridiculous and two weeks was a quick time to wean.


Your lesson #4 is worth a lot so perhaps you have gained more than you lost.

Good luck and I hope your recovery finishes quickly and well.
Blessed Be!

Jeneva Caroline Samples
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wendy

Quote from: sysm29 on April 11, 2012, 10:01:14 AM

Transition and being transgender has absolutely NOTHING to do with standrads of beauty, with perfection, with glamour.... its about living your life, its about being yourself, and by yourself, I never realized this before, but being yourself does not mean Looking perfectly the way you envisioned your female identity to look like - its a Faceless state of mind... its a conception of a new reality - that you are female, not a drag queen, not a cross-dresser, not ambiguous, not anything else but a woman....

IF YOU BELIEVE IT, OTHER PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE IT TOO.  Its hard for me to understand how I could be a woman without looking like one, or without looking like the fantasy we have in our mind of how we want to look... but the truth and the reality is that eventually, we need to just let go... we need to let go of all of the superificial crap, and allow our spirits to heal, allow our spirit to live....

and you don't need a face to have a spirit.  You don't even need to look like a woman to be one.  You need to believe it, and once you do, then that's all that matters.

Brilliant.  Took me a lifetime to figure that out!
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Stephe

Quote from: sysm29 on April 11, 2012, 10:01:14 AM
Transition and being transgender has absolutely NOTHING to do with standrads of beauty, with perfection, with glamour.... its about living your life, its about being yourself, and by yourself, I never realized this before, but being yourself does not mean Looking perfectly the way you envisioned your female identity to look like - its a Faceless state of mind... its a conception of a new reality - that you are female, not a drag queen, not a cross-dresser, not ambiguous, not anything else but a woman....

IF YOU BELIEVE IT, OTHER PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE IT TOO.  Its hard for me to understand how I could be a woman without looking like one, or without looking like the fantasy we have in our mind of how we want to look... but the truth and the reality is that eventually, we need to just let go... we need to let go of all of the superificial crap, and allow our spirits to heal, allow our spirit to live....

and you don't need a face to have a spirit.  You don't even need to look like a woman to be one.  You need to believe it, and once you do, then that's all that matters.


I'm glad you understand this now :) 

Seriously, you likely just are experiencing post operative depression which is very common and normal. Also even just my fairly simple nose work looked weird for a couple of weeks and even 3 months later there were things I didn't like. 9 months later things have settled down where I don't look much different than before, just a little softer and more proportioned. Accept this choice you made is now history and that things will be just fine after you heal and the swelling goes down.
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sindy

I am sorry that you feel the way that you do. I have to say that from your photos, you are very attractive, whether you choose to present yourself as male, or female. I tend to agree with many of the other here, that you are likely going through some post op depression. Just try and hang on, it is really only as bad as you make it out to be. You shouldn't second guess yourself, you got the surgery for a reason, and maybe you don't really understand what that reason is right now, but I am convinced that one day you will look into the mirror and realize that you are beautiful after all. Regardless, it isn't whats in the mirror that matters, nor is it others perception of you that determined your worth, true happiness always has, and always will come from within! I am personally looking for a doctor who will perform my surgery. Can I ask the name of your doctor? I know that you don't seem to be very happy right now, but I think he did a wonderful job, and I wouldn't mind consulting with him. For the time being, I will be looking to see what I can find on locateadoc.com. I hear that it is a good place to find good doctors, we'll see about that. Best of luck to you!
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