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Started by nancyj, May 10, 2007, 05:35:27 PM

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nancyj

It is taught in books of strategy: "Never be so rash as to start a war; at first, always be on the defense." "One should hesitate to advance an inch but be always ready to withdraw a foot." This means that it is better for an army to advance by craft rather than by aggressive operations. (It means for everybody) that there is a better way of attack than by hands, a better say of winning than by hostility, a better way of gaining than by resort to force. There is no greater mistake than to make light of an enemy. By making light of an enemy many a kingdom has been lost. When well matched armies come to conflict, the army that regrets the hostility between them, always conquers.

TAO-TEH-KING, sixty-nine.
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cindianna_jones

Now... if you could totally obliterate the enemy, none of this would be any concern.... ;)

Cindi
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nancyj

Quote from: Cindi Jones on May 10, 2007, 06:32:09 PM
Now... if you could totally obliterate the enemy, none of this would be any concern.... ;)

Cindi

Yeah, but if your war is a "war on terror" you never know who the enemy might be.
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Chaunte

I don't know how to answer this - as either a general statement or as being transexual...
???

I think I am going to comment as to how this affects me.


How many of us believe that we have been backed into a corner by "society?"  Reading the stories people post here, I dare say the majority of us would say that we are - either at work, worship, family life or any of the above.  As such, I would suggest that many of us live in what Sun Tzu would describe as Desperate Ground.

I am not convinced that the best thing we can do for ourselves and for the community at large is to take the defensive position.

This does not mean that I am advocating war with those around us.  It is far better to convince those around us to accept us, even if they do not agree or understand.

But if "attacked," I wil not yield.

http://classics.mit.edu/Tzu/artwar.html

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cindianna_jones

Quote from: nancyj on May 10, 2007, 06:37:54 PM
Quote from: Cindi Jones on May 10, 2007, 06:32:09 PM
Now... if you could totally obliterate the enemy, none of this would be any concern.... ;)

Cindi

Yeah, but if your war is a "war on terror" you never know who the enemy might be.

Ahah!  But the "War on Terror" ain't ezactlee a war now iz it?  It's just another escalation in the best selling series... you know, it started with the "War on drugs" , then came the sequel "War on poverty" (how did that one turn out anyway?).... like that.

It's an excuse to do other things.... which were are not totally sure about yet.  I'm looking forward to the revelation as to why we're really doing this.  I think that I know... but it's just my silly opinion.

Cindi
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Brooke_NY

Quote from: Cindi Jones on May 10, 2007, 07:56:00 PM
Ahah!  But the "War on Terror" ain't ezactlee a war now iz it?  It's just another escalation in the best selling series... you know, it started with the "War on drugs" , then came the sequel "War on poverty" (how did that one turn out anyway?).... like that.

It's an excuse to do other things.... which were are not totally sure about yet.  I'm looking forward to the revelation as to why we're really doing this.  I think that I know... but it's just my silly opinion.

Cindi

Right on Cindi. You got it.

On the Drug War, it's a joke. The illegal drug network could not survive without the help of those WITHIN government and military. It is a self-perpetuating thing. I'm so tired of spending $69 billion/year on trampling civil liberties while having a negligable impact on the Drug trade. In fact, just like we already learned thru alcohol prohibition, it simply doesn't work AND creates MORE problems than already existed. We wrote Constitutional amendments that recognize this fact -- why MUST we relearn the wheel? Very frustrating to watch and be aware of.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition is going to make history. http://www.leap.cc. I have some very strong ties to people within the organization (they know nothing of my TS). I have confidence we will prevail. I have never seen such a strong organization against the Drug War.

If we were to wave a magic wand across the country and everyone who used, sold, bought, distributed, and/or was involved or had knowledge of illegal drug activity glowed green, I believe the Drug War would be over tomorrow. America, the land of the free already has the highest prison population in the world. I believe America would pretty much be divided mostly into guards and prisoners. It's preposterous to think we can arrest away peoples health issues. We're human beings. I guarantee we all know someone we love who is involved in some way or has knowledge of the Drug trade thru someone they love but the majority of us are unwilling to call the cops and press charges against those we love.

Drug use alone does not equal criminal behavior in my opinion. If we were to make cigarettes illegal, there would suddenly be millions of new criminals in the U.S.! My wife would suddenly be a criminal druggie!! An addict who simply belongs in jail! How does that make much sense? We already saw this disaster with alcohol.

On the Terror War. We were attacked on Sept 11 by Osama. I would suggest we actually go after him instead of the countries he lives around or near. This would be like me destroying my neighbors house because some jerk from somewhere else attacked me. Seems like an irrational lashing out to me, which would also fit with Dubya's sophomoric personality so well.

Iraq did not attack us.
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Jonie

This reminds me of other cases where the government can't or is extremely ineffective in solving a problem only to find it easily handled by the Mafia. It's something about their mind set that cuts through all the bullsh*t and gets to the heart of the matter. Now I'm just guessing but if a terrorist bombed a Mafia building and killed three thousand of their people they would find out who did it (probably using the same techniques as our government is using now in Cuba) bomb thirty thousand of the terrorists or their allies and then be done with it. It's called deterrence and it works. Then all the soldiers who lost their lives over in Iraq would still be alive today because we would have never sent them over there.
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nancyj

Quote from: Cindi Jones on May 10, 2007, 07:56:00 PM
Quote from: nancyj on May 10, 2007, 06:37:54 PM
Quote from: Cindi Jones on May 10, 2007, 06:32:09 PM
Now... if you could totally obliterate the enemy, none of this would be any concern.... ;)

Cindi

Yeah, but if your war is a "war on terror" you never know who the enemy might be.

Ahah!  But the "War on Terror" ain't ezactlee a war now iz it?

precisely my point, Dear One.

even if it were a war against a nation (which the present war-mongers have really fence-set on, HUH?!), how can you expect to go into the situation, hoping to get the terrists to tone down or back off, with all guns-ablazing. It's as unreasonable, as impossible as ->-bleeped-<-.

anyway:

War!
{GOOD GOD Y'ALL!}
what is it GOOD FOR?
{UHH!}
Absolutely NUTHIN!
say it again.


(Edwin Starr, War)

Quote from: Jonie on May 11, 2007, 11:47:15 AM
...only to find it easily handled by the Mafia. It's something about their mind set that cuts through all the bullsh*t and gets to the heart of the matter.

thass the way it iz in my 'hood.
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