Lately yes, although it could be caused by practically everything, from the stress at work to the anxiety. I't never been like this...

mines been dead for ages till recently but its still low , i guess that just proves its mental a lot of the time

Quote from: mementomori on August 04, 2012, 12:29:40 AM
i guess everyone has different desires , id sacrifice natural looks for femininity in my face even if it meant looking really done and artificial

meme,

At what stage are you in your "transition?"

---Callie

 
In answer to the actual OP heading ~ "... which be the most important one FFS procedure" I NOW feel, - after chin reduction and facelift – and not having had done anything about the forehead, brow-bossing... et al, - the forehead seems VERY important. VERY!

Is this because I got the bottom part of my face done? It's not easy to say, as I clearly did not like how my chin changed, had become more and more prominent during the later years of my life. It actually had bugged me, long before Transition was on my mind. In profile I thought I looked a bit like a 'Nutcracker' and I found this to be a simply too strong a feature – though not immediately noticeable from the front view. Take a second look at my avatar you might just get what I'm trying to say.

Now, there are females, always older ones, that have prominent chins.

Yet, I still have to see one, older or younger, that has the more typical kind of male brow-bossing/brow-ridge. And believe you me, I look, and look, and then some. Brow-bossing must count as one of THE most unusual facial features with the vast majority of females. Caucasian and Asian.

It is just so different to note, once one has become aware of this male feature, and much more so, with Caucasian male features - I NEVER consciously took note of it before.

I now think that forehead contouring is actually THE most important of FFS. But it is ALSO the most invasive, no doubt about that - for me.

It will be interesting for me to hear if anyone has a different experience. It be really interesting.

Axélle

I have to agree with Axélle. For me the forehead reconstruction/lift, scalp, nose combo was what really made a difference and the forehead being my favorite new feature after FFS. My forehead wasn't terrible to begin with but there was some brow-bossing and hooding of the eyes.


I had the type III procedure done where the forehead was peeled down and then the bone over the sinus removed, reshaped and put into place again. People have thought I was nuts when I've told them about it but actually it's no where near as bad as one thinks. Actually aside from the discomfort, migraines and puking the first few days there was no pain in this area what so ever. I'd have to say the chin/jaw was a hell of a lot worse.


In any case, you should wait at least a year and a half after starting hrt before you have any procedures done.

I had a forehead shave, rhinoplasty and trachial shave. The forehead shave opened up the eyes and lifted up the eyebrows. I couldn't have survived without a trachial shave either. The pain from the sutures, ear to ear, was unbearable for a number of days.

Quote from: Felicitá on August 07, 2012, 01:21:51 PM
I had a forehead shave, rhinoplasty and trachial shave. The forehead shave opened up the eyes and lifted up the eyebrows. I couldn't have survived without a trachial shave either. The pain from the sutures, ear to ear, was unbearable for a number of days.

Really? I had little pain from them though they sort felt like I had an itch. However, having the staples and sutures removed was orgasmic. It felt so incredible good when they took them out.

Quote from: MariaMx on August 07, 2012, 01:25:37 PM
Really? I had little pain from them though they sort felt like I had an itch. However, having the staples and sutures removed was orgasmic. It felt so incredible good when they took them out.

It could be because I had a brow lift at the same time so the stiches were very tight and pulling. But the pain was the worst I ever had. However, I'd do it 100x over.

Quote from: mementomori on August 01, 2012, 06:41:16 AM
a face can be changed  ALOT with surgety so don' t worry about that

look how mauscline she was beforehand

Beforehand?

Quote from: MariaMx on August 07, 2012, 01:06:50 PM
I have to agree with Axélle. For me the forehead reconstruction/lift, scalp, nose combo was what really made a difference and the forehead being my favorite new feature after FFS. My forehead wasn't terrible to begin with but there was some brow-bossing and hooding of the eyes.


I had the type III procedure done where the forehead was peeled down and then the bone over the sinus removed, reshaped and put into place again. People have thought I was nuts when I've told them about it but actually it's no where near as bad as one thinks. Actually aside from the discomfort, migraines and puking the first few days there was no pain in this area what so ever. I'd have to say the chin/jaw was a hell of a lot worse.


In any case, you should wait at least a year and a half after starting hrt before you have any procedures done.

I did most of that with no rhino because I already had a "perfect" nose. But what did it for me was the BA, then a facelift and keeping the weight off.

Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on August 07, 2012, 09:56:22 AM
meme,

At what stage are you in your "transition?"

---Callie

whys that? i guess im different becuase i actually enjoy the articial look like overperfected noses , large lips and big cheek implants like allanah starr etc has

 I guess we all have different standards of beauty. Truthfully, it's uncommon for people to prefer the artificial and overdone look, but I suppose every style must have its supporters - such is the nature of humanity.

I feel that the most important FFS surgery, on average, would be forehead/brow bossing work. And, well, if I had to choose a second, it would probably be hairline - but one might lump that in with forehead work, so perhaps the nose, since forehead and nose are very usually done as a pair in FFS.

FFS is as different from person to person as things tend to get, though. But for you, Apples, the above is all I could ethically suggest. With a little laser, some hormones, growing your hair out, and the like... it may be that you can pass without FFS (in fact, I would be surprised if you didn't, at least facially)... but you may appreciate the procedures I listed simply for the purposes of vanity.

Quote from: mementomori on August 08, 2012, 04:23:45 AM
whys that? i guess im different becuase i actually enjoy the articial look like overperfected noses , large lips and big cheek implants like allanah starr etc has

That strikes me as strange....wanting FFS to avoid unwanted attention as a male looking MTF...then having most obvious, overdone looking surgery most certainly attracting attention again for overly surgical done looking?
Which people regard as even more negative than masculine looking?

Quote from: Dahlia on August 08, 2012, 05:54:02 AM
That strikes me as strange....wanting FFS to avoid unwanted attention as a male looking MTF...then having most obvious, overdone looking surgery most certainly attracting attention again for overly surgical done looking?

i dress " goth' and wear lots of makeup so ill always attract attention i guess its not my motivation though , i just go for a certain look i like and if people think its strange or stare then meh whatever

I visited a general aesthetic clinic, and they told me that yes, I need a bit of superior blepharoplasty (Although not a lot). I don't want my face's structure to change a lot, but since this can only be done once I don't know If I should get it done in a man style now or leave it for later when I get a Rhynoplasty.



I doubt HRT can reduce the excess of skin over my eyes.

 Oh, curious. That's excess skin, eh?

Guess I might have to get one of those someday. Definitely prioritizing other stuff over it, since it's a smallish detail by the looks of it, but it's... on the table!

It's actually kind of funny with me. The space above my right eye is droopier than on my left eye, which results in making my eyebrows a bit... unevenly elevated?

More or less, but my problem is with the excess of skin on the eyelids, instead of the eyebrows. When I am relaxed, one will tend to fall down more than the other, giving it a quasimodo look. I need to be extra careful, specially when bein photographed.

I don't know If removing the excess of skin would be enough for me, since I am not sure about how much I will want to reshape my face later. Maybe I could be happy with how I look and ask them to only remove the excess of skin?

Upper bleph is usually performed together with the forehead job. My full list of procedures I had done for the mid/upper face is scalp advancment, forehead type III procedure, shaving of the orbial rims, superior blepharoplasty, forehead lift and reconstructive rhinoplasty. I don't know how much good an upper bleph would do without shaving of the orbital rims. My advice to you would be to wait to see what hrt will do, then you can more accuratly assess what to have done. Getting rid of the facial hair also makes a huge difference and should be prioritized before any sort of surgery.

Nah, it's just the usual problem. Watching my face for a long time will make me lose my faith.

I don't want to burn a lot of money before time, but I could start with brackets for the upper teeth (1000€) and whitening, apart from a facial peeling to finally clean the skin. Everything depends on if I keep the job or not, so no big expenses before that.


So for now:

09/2012: Facial peeling
10/2012: fixing defect on nose
11/2012: teeth whitening
12/2012: brackets
01/2013: Facial Electrolysis start

 Your facial hair appears to be dark enough to suggest that laser might be an efficient course of action preluding electrolysis.