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I don't want to speak in public.

Started by Disgusting, September 04, 2012, 06:35:16 AM

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Disgusting

I don't think there's anything I can actually do about this at present, but I figure it couldn't hurt to vent my feelings anyway.

I hate my voice.  I have always hated it, ever since I was a little kid, because it is so feminine.  Pre-everything, I still manage to "pass" in public with strangers much of the time, but I keep my mouth shut.  I just know that the moment I say something aloud, everything is blown.  It doesn't help that I have a bit of social anxiety (or whatever the appropriate name for it really is) already--or maybe this whole gender mess is a big chunk of the reason for that feeling, who knows?  But whatever end is actually the head of this thing, whenever I am out in public I find myself avoiding verbal communication as much as possible.  When I do speak, it's low and quiet so that nobody can really quite tell what I sound like.  I hate this.  I am trying very hard to work on my stress in social situations and make myself more open to speaking up and interacting with people without seeming afraid (I am not afraid, but that's the easiest way to describe what it looks like), but this constant nagging about the sound of my voice makes it nearly impossible.
Yes, I know that there are plenty of guys out there with soft, high-pitched voices.  I know that it is not necessarily something to be ashamed of.  But I do not want it, it is not a part of me, I have never liked the thought of that sound coming out of my mouth.  Aside from my current weight issues, it is one of my biggest insecurities.  Knowing that I could easily be read as female and that I'm basically teetering on a very thin edge makes it that much more difficult for me.  It strips my already nearly-nonexistent confidence.  Perhaps if I were at a stage where I considered myself more "passable", it would be reduced to a minor embarrassment that I could laugh off if and when questioned.  But at present, it's more or less just the deal-sealer for anyone who might have been unsure of whether or not to call me "Miss".
And yes, I could simply correct them when they do... but there goes that old social anxiety thing again.  There goes that old lack of self-confidence.  I almost feel like I have no right to correct them because there I am with my tiny feet and my round face and my soft little girl's voice, and if they look at my ID it's gonna say F anyway, so what room do I have to argue?  Besides, I want to do as little talking as possible, so why waste the embarrassment on something so pointless and irrelevant?
Of course, knowing who I am inside is not enough to keep me content.  Not by a long shot.  If it were, much of this would be a non-issue.  I can't help caring what others think.  Do I care if they like me?  Not one little bit.  Do I care if they judge me or think I'm strange or gross or whatever?  Not at all.  But do I care if they see me as female without so much as a second thought?  I sure do and it's driving me up the wall.

So that's that, I guess.  You can tell me I'm just being silly if you want; I'm pretty aware of how irrational I'm being already.  My gender isn't relevant in most of the situations in which this is an issue, and what I sound like isn't really going to matter to anyone but myself.  But that's just it, it does matter to me because it feels like it isn't me, and thus we have my problem.
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anibioman

i had the same problem i avoided talking for a year then i got on T.

Ayden

I'd offer advice, but I don't have any. Just keep your chin up and work through it. We all dislike something about ourselves even if it is completely unreasonable. I never minded my voice because I'm such a talker it would kill me to shut up for even just a few hours. If it helps, I think plenty of people cringe when they hear their own voices. I heard a recording of mine and I about died from embarrassed laughter. ("I sound like that?! Why didn't you tell me! I sound so WEIRD!")
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Disgusting

:] 

I am hoping it will get better in time; I'll just have to find a way to get used to it for a while.  Chances are I'm going to be pretty damn quiet for the next who-knows-how-long, but I am trying not to let it bother me so much in the meantime. 
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Cindy

Well, can I come from the other side.

I lecture. The last one  was a week or so ago 350 medical students. Me in a denim skirt boots and cute top.

Me, alone, by myself in front of them. Masculine deep voice.

You have choices in life and some are so odd that no one else has them. Or so you think.

I went for it.

Three girls at the front giggled so I had them in the front of the auditorium being interacting cells to bring life to my lecture.

The lecture went great.

The three girls were not hurt. They grew up though.

I can't change my voice much, so I use it. I'm FT as me and no one seems to be disturbed by my voice. It doesn't bother me. I will not let it bother me. And guess what? No one seems to care.

You are you and if you live as your self your personality comes forward. You are recognised as the presentation that is you. People don't study other people unless you either let them or they specialise in it.

Be yourself. Forget about a female sounding voice. It sounds female to you but you are used too it. It is part of your presentation if you present as your male self  the voice is nothing; it is part of the male you.
NEVER apologise, and never look back. People pick on the signs of nervousness, not on other signs.

Be a cool dude and don't worry.

JMO

Cindy
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Ayden

Quote from: Cindy James on September 05, 2012, 03:34:33 AM
Well, can I come from the other side.

I lecture. The last one  was a week or so ago 350 medical students. Me in a denim skirt boots and cute top.

Me, alone, by myself in front of them. Masculine deep voice.

You have choices in life and some are so odd that no one else has them. Or so you think.

I went for it.

Three girls at the front giggled so I had them in the front of the auditorium being interacting cells to bring life to my lecture.

The lecture went great.

The three girls were not hurt. They grew up though.

I can't change my voice much, so I use it. I'm FT as me and no one seems to be disturbed by my voice. It doesn't bother me. I will not let it bother me. And guess what? No one seems to care.

You are you and if you live as your self your personality comes forward. You are recognised as the presentation that is you. People don't study other people unless you either let them or they specialise in it.

Be yourself. Forget about a female sounding voice. It sounds female to you but you are used too it. It is part of your presentation if you present as your male self  the voice is nothing; it is part of the male you.
NEVER apologise, and never look back. People pick on the signs of nervousness, not on other signs.

Be a cool dude and don't worry.

JMO

Cindy

Miss Cindy, I just wanted to say, you rock my socks.

Disturbed: Listen to the lady, man. She knows what she is talking about.
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Natkat

know the felling, had the same.
I could speak to my friend but every time there where a stranger I tryed to lower my voice.
it sucks very much not being able to speak, but try to be confident even when you arnt, I think it helps..
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Disgusting

Thank you very much, Cindy. 

And I agree that having confidence would make quite a difference.  It's something I've never had much of, but I'm getting there.  Speaking up is something I'm just going to have to do, even if I will do it quietly most of the time.  I'm hopeful that the more I get out of the house and work on my self image, the easier it will come to me.
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Dax


I have to agree pretty much with what Cindy said. I'm normally a quiet dude but when I speak I find it actually aids my cause to put my voice fears aside and just speak, and speak loud. I don't mean shout, since then they think you belong in the loony bin, but in my experience, people might hone in on something being off if you're more timid when you speak. Plus, while there are softspoken/timid guys out there, and I'm one of 'em, people typically associate it as a feminine trait. Silly society, but there you go.

Also, if your voice does bug you too much (mine bugs me a lot), you can practice deepening it. It can sound weird, though, if you don't practice it out, but it's an option. It works side by side with the speak loud, but that might be me. =P I can't whisper and deepen my voice at the same time.
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Disgusting

Also very true, and I'll have to keep that in mind.
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therewolf

I felt that way very, very much before I started T, and I still get unreasonably enraged when I'm misgendered over the phone now.
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Biscuit_Stix

Just tossing in my 2 cents. As far as my voice, it sucks as well. Super girly. I sing like Kokia... So I started singing the lowest songs I could find. Like, trying to sing along with that dwarven one in the new Hobbit trailer. Something about misty mountains... Can't remember. OH! And 'dragonfly' by Shaman's Harvest. Stuff like that that's way out of my register. It's helped quite a bit. I don't sound as funny as I used to when trying to drop my voice.

I'm also learning sign language, hahahahaha. No really, I'm giving it a shot. It's better than being 'mute', because most people don't expect you to talk to them if they see you signing *snicker* Totally not fair, I know, but it works on people you'll only ever see once or twice. Just never, ever say you're deaf, because the deaf community is super close knit and they get mad if you lie about that (which isn't very nice or respectful, anyway).

Just some fun ideas to get us (or just me ;D) through till we find a way to 'sound' better to our own ears ;)
What the hell was that?!                 From every wound there is a scar,
Spaceball 1.                                     and every scar tells a story.
*gasp* They've gone to plaid!        A story that says,
                                                        "I survived."
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insideontheoutside

There's dudes out there who have naturally high voices ... like MC Chris
"Let's conspire to ignite all the souls that would die just to feel alive."
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Rita

There are plenty of bio males who probably feel the same way.  Just like mtf, even after testosterone you have to train it. 

A friend told me the other night girls speak from their tummy and men from their chest.
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Magnus

I can completely empathize. I still do not like talking on the phone and only do so when absolutely necessary and unavoidable. I also went through high school (online) without speaking a single word over the microphone. Took a real hit out of my 'English' grade for that, but it was worth it because every time I heard my own voice or someone else did, it would make me cringe. I also avoid speaking as much as possible, electronically or in person. Doesn't matter. I simply don't like to do it. Not even now, not even despite being technically pre-T having others comment to me how low and somewhat deep my voice is (even those who are unaware I'm trans). I just do not hear it that way.

Its something that might well always bother me. I just try to disassociate with it as much as possible. Distract myself by thinking about something else. Something I do a lot. Not full-proof, but its effective enough.


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Disgusting

Sorry for the late response, but thank you all for the replies.  This has been a lot more helpful to me than I initially expected.  It's nice to hear about other people's experiences with the same or similar issue(s) and how they work with it. 
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