My last post before going on vacation...from this site...midterms coming up. I am an undergraduate after all...at UC Berkeley, the number one public university in the known universe...or at least The Milky Way!




Here is a link where you can read the entire book but I would advise not to download it.Ways of Seeing-John Berger

Wow, that resonated.

Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on September 16, 2012, 04:38:03 PM
I am an undergraduate after all...at UC Berkeley, the number one public university in the known universe...or at least The Milky Way!

So you've said...again...and again.

Anyway, good piece right there.

Study hard and drink coffee.

Quote from: Ave on September 16, 2012, 04:45:20 PM
So you've said...again...and again.

Anyway, good piece right there.

A famous president---one of our worst--famously said, "There you go again!"

5 Hour energy, Monsters, Amps.  Ritalin?   

Nicely written. I suppose, in a way, Women have become victims of their own success in that respect.  So much so that we may not be seen entirely as equals in men's eyes.
^_~

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
All right, all right

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can

But when you want money
For people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
All right, all right
Ah

Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
All right, all right
All right, all right, all right
All right, all right, all right

John Lennon, 1968

Well to be fair to our little Golden Bear it is a very high honor to be a student there, you absolutely (like, don't even bother to apply if you're not) in the top 1% of students in the state of California, and in reality, in order to get accepted in most of the top programs there you have to be in the top 1% of all students in the US.  Kinda like New York, New York if you are an A student in Berkeley you are an A student in any other school in the world too.  Hell, if you're a low B student at Cal you'd be an A student in about 80% of the other universities in the world.

However, if you want to feel good about yourself, most Cal sports teams suck.

Quote from: tekla on September 16, 2012, 05:02:35 PM
Well to be fair to our little Golden Bear it is a very high honor to be a student there, you absolutely (like, don't even bother to apply if you're not) in the top 1% of students in the state of California, and in reality, in order to get accepted in most of the top programs there you have to be in the top 1% of all students in the US.  Kinda like New York, New York if you are an A student in Berkeley you are an A student in any other school in the world too.  Hell, if you're a low B student at Cal you'd be an A student in about 80% of the other universities in the world.

However, if you want to feel good about yourself, most Cal sports teams suck.

You're absolutely right.

One of my good buddies from Grad School teaches there, and I often go there to use the library (which is a total wet dream for scholars, it's mind blowing), and when I visit her office I'll glance through tests and term papers and it's no wonder that they have no trouble attracting, hiring and retaining the best academics in the world because being able to work with those students is what every really good teacher dreams of.

Quote from: Keaira on September 16, 2012, 05:00:31 PM
Nicely written. I suppose, in a way, Women have become victims of their own success in that respect.  So much so that we may not be seen entirely as equals in men's eyes.
^_~

I was worried about not being able to understand what the writer had written and it made my head hurt a little but what I got from that single page is that women have all the power, if they know to cultivate it and exercise it.

Do I get at least a B?

Quote from: Noey Noonesson on September 16, 2012, 06:55:44 PM

I was worried about not being able to understand what the writer had written and it made my head hurt a little but what I got from that single page is that women have all the power, if they know to cultivate it and exercise it.

Do I get at least a B?

D for D cup!

Hmmm.... Emics and etics based comments are always pretty spikey chestnuts to handle. Personally I'm always wary of people with ideas that make assumptions about groups without qualifying their belief in the existance of said group. That's just me though... And I am a bit of a contrarian b***h
xox

QuoteI would advise not to download it.

Why do you say this?

But let me just say that the description of "woman" in this clip matches exactly my own inner identity, while the description of "man" is exactly what I have never been able to experience -- despite never having been able to put such concise words to it. This clip has put words to the core of the gender identity problem I've been living since birth.

Quote"She has to survey everything she is and everything she does because how she appears to others, and ultimately how she appears to men, is of crucial importance for what is normally thought of as the success of her life. Her own sense of being in herself is supplanted by a sense of being appreciated by another. ... One might simplify this by saying men act and women appear. ... The surveyor of woman in herself is male: the surveyed female."

(The latter portion is from the continuation of the segment on the following page.)

Setting aside some of the stereotyping, this has given me something very powerful to chew on.

Lora
http://translora.wordpress.com

I would advise not to download it.

Why do you say this?

Because it all reads like that is my guess.  One page is painful, an entire work would be intolerable.

Actually, I think I may have answered my own question. The book is about visual art, not gender identity. It only touches on the subject as a way of setting a context for appreciating imagery of the female form.

Lora
http://translora.wordpress.com

Nicely primed now for a 1500 word Foucauldian Analysis of a selected reading on "Women and Aging" for Gender Studies, due Friday. Thanks. 

Quote from: tekla on September 16, 2012, 05:02:35 PM
Well to be fair to our little Golden Bear it is a very high honor to be a student there, you absolutely (like, don't even bother to apply if you're not) in the top 1% of students in the state of California...

True, but it's relatively easy to transfer in from the community college system. Probably not as easy as it is at UCs with a guaranteed transfer agreement, though.

Something... something... about this article and the idea expressed...

Guess what?! MEN also have this surveyor, they ABSOLUTELY do!

It was one the early exercises in EST to just make sure of just this point and to demonstrate it.
BTW, it ALSO becomes clear during exorcism session... not everyone would be familiar with it...

So WHERE does that leave the whole article?
Just one more ~ socio-semi-scientific writ.

Not bad --- but hey, what's actually all that new about it? Personally... I really can't tell.

Maybe a read too much chick-lit and may be excused for my "and so then what" attitude...


Axélle