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BATHROOM WARS: TRANSGENDERS GET FLUSHED

Started by Amelia Pond, August 27, 2013, 06:35:21 PM

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LordKAT

Even public pools around here have several individual shower stalls.
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Danielle Emmalee

I don't care if I don't pass, I'm going swimming in the pool.  Its just something I love doing too much.
Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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Tessa James

Good for you Alice, I like your spunk but, will you shower in the guys or gals place?  With my new boobies showering with the guys could get ugly and I am not deliberately looking for trouble
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Danielle Emmalee

I'm not sure.  I guess I'll figure it out when I think it'll be an issue.  Most likely never the women's
Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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DriftingCrow

After jumping in the ocean for a swim, isn't the showers at the beach just to rinse off? So, can't you just rinse off in your swimsuits and not have to worry about what the other ladies in there are thinking?
ਮਨਿ ਜੀਤੈ ਜਗੁ ਜੀਤੁ
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Danielle Emmalee

Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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Tessa James

I have been swimming in the ocean here on the Oregon coast but without a wetsuit we don't last more than five minutes.  It's cold!  I do consider getting a one piece woman's swim suit but not ready to invest until I have more time for the HRT to work the magic. 
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Kara

My experience with women's bathrooms is quite the tale. I have actually been confronted by security outside the women's room of the Providence Place Mall. They marched me through the mall to the security office. They made me fill out forms and take my wig off for a picture to identify me if I came back to the mall. They banned me for a year. This was over 5 years ago, so I don't know how they respond now. I know they were trying to embarrass and humiliate me the whole time, but what they didn't know was that I have no shame when it comes to crossdressing. Nothing can be said or done to me which could cause the slightest bit of embarrassment. I'm kinda weird that way. I want everyone to know I'm different and I expect them to treat me that way. I have long accepted the fact that I will never fit in.

Generally, I don't use the women's bathroom unless I am wearing my wig and makeup. Sometimes, I just don't care about being passable. The family/handcap restrooms provided at some places are a good alternative.

As far as communal showers and locker rooms, I have had experience in this area as well. I used to be a member at the YMCA and ofc was forced to use the mens locker room. This did not stop me from working out in women's clothes and changing into women's attire after showering. Eventually, I was able to convince them to allow me to wear a women's swimdress in the pool. I explained that I was uncomfortable exposing my bare chest while swimming and they agreed a tshirt was not a proper alternative. I would not feel comfortable exposing my naked body in a women's shower, but I would be okay with wearing a towel for modesty and using a shower stall for privacy.
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Tessa James

Hey Kara welcome aboard.  I like your spunk girl but that experience at the mall was way over the top.  Water under the bridge perhaps but, some states and jurisdictions now have legal protections for us and I trust you will not suffer fools like that again.
In Portland Oregon we sport the bumper sticker slogan of "Keep Portland Weird" and I am delighted to know you are doing your part to help.
Passable is just not important to me.  It held me back a long time and now I recognize it as letting others decide my fate, NO WAY!
I feel we do the culture a favor by increasing exposure to the truth of living in a diverse world.
Thanks for helping out.

Hugs
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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DriftingCrow

Hi Kara, it's nice to see another Rhode Islander. :)  I didn't know PPM security was so strict on bathrooms.
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Danielle Emmalee

Quote from: Tessa James on September 01, 2013, 12:57:19 PM
Hey Kara welcome aboard.  I like your spunk girl but that experience at the mall was way over the top.  Water under the bridge perhaps but, some states and jurisdictions now have legal protections for us and I trust you will not suffer fools like that again.
In Portland Oregon we sport the bumper sticker slogan of "Keep Portland Weird" and I am delighted to know you are doing your part to help.
Passable is just not important to me.  It held me back a long time and now I recognize it as letting others decide my fate, NO WAY!
I feel we do the culture a favor by increasing exposure to the truth of living in a diverse world.
Thanks for helping out.

Hugs

I feel pretty much the same way in that I don't quite care for passing for passing's sake.  I do want to look female, but its just for me and if I think I look female and nobody else does, why should I really care?  I do admit it is nice to hear when others do think that I pass, but its not my main goal. 

Kara, I think its awesome that you are so confident and are not held back by that experience.  I hope to be able to dress the way I want, even when going swimming, so its nice to hear stories of it being accepted even though you are forced to use the men's change room.
Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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Kara

Quote from: LearnedHand on September 01, 2013, 01:10:12 PM
Hi Kara, it's nice to see another Rhode Islander. :)  I didn't know PPM security was so strict on bathrooms.

I am not from RI. I am from MA. Providence is only 40 minutes away.
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LizMarie

The man who led the fight to stop the trans rights law quoted in the original article. Christian Family Coalition executive director Anthony Verdugo. made the following statements about transsexuals over the last several years:

http://cfcoalition.com/full_article.php?article_no=249

http://www.cfcoalition.com/full_article.php?article_no=498

(There are a lot more of his statements for anyone to evaluate. They are all in the same vein - transgenders are pedophiles, are "confused", want to exploit real women, etc.)

I think it is rather safe to say that Anthony Verdugo is no friend of anyone who is transgender, unless you are willing to deny yourself and live as the gender into which you were born. That's his solution and he's the man who led the charge against transgender people in the original article.

The meaning of life is to find your gift. The purpose of life is to give it away.



~ Cara Elizabeth
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cursivart

I find, at least nine times out of ten, an act of discrimination is fueled by fear. In this case, and in many cases like it, the fear that conservative, Christian-minded individuals have about the idea of themselves, or others, going to "Hell" for doing something a closed-minded upbringing writes up as a "sin". And some of them take it one step further, and assume that if they think one small aspect of public life has been affected in the aforementioned way, then /obviously/, their children, and the children of other like-minded individuals will grow up, possibly wanting to experiment with life in the shoes of the opposite sex/gender.
And, oh my god! They may be right! Because if all the laws in our day-to-day lives actually /did/ work out to be that much more accepting of these sort of things, and people really didn't express such enormous bigotry towards those they perceive as "different", then they wouldn't be so inclined to drive themselves away from even the most playful of thoughts on the matter.
Like the idea that if homophobia didn't exist, straight men wouldn't be so damned afraid of being more (publicly) emotionally involved with their guy friends. I understand that last one has many levels of reasoning behind it. But you get where I'm coming from.

Chris.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"Evelyn Beatrice Hall
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kira21 ♡♡♡

Quote from: Joanna Dark on August 27, 2013, 08:12:24 PM
What about the cis-women? Do they not have the right to feel safe.

the rights of the minority should not be subject to the whim of the majority.

Should we not allow gay people to shower in the same spaces in case the straight cis people feel threatened by a gay person checking them out?

If people don't feel safe amongst a diverse group of people, segregating the people they are not comfortable with is not the answer. Setting trans-rights as opposites to women's rights is a dangerous thing to do. I am a woman and I am sure as hell not going into a mens communal shower, no way, uh uh. To do so would sacrifice my safety for their comfort.

mac1

I think unisex locker rooms and showers would be better than the current separate female and male facilities. I might initially be shy about exposing my genitals to a woman in such situations but have always been somewhat uncomfortable with exposing them to other men in the male facilities. I would not have a need to treat the women as sexual objects.
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GendrKweer

Ken, I'm going to reply politely since you are at least here and trying to be accepting. I assume this comment only is directed at male to female transitioners such as myself, as obviously most people don't think a female to male person is going to be "harassing" the men in the men's room. :) Think about how hard it would be for you to put on a wig maybe and paint your nails and put on a dress and walk into a crowded mall ladies room. And why? Just to harass some random women? Surely there are easier ways to do that if that's your bag. And that doesn't address people (also like me) who have had surgical correction to what amounted to a genetic/birth defect (being born with a male body). What I'm trying to say is that you'll never know about those people who are passable transgender women because by definition they are invisible. And as for those people unfortunate enough to not pass as they would like? Well, they just need to pee. That's not harassing, that's just doing what the room is made for, and either way most of us haven't been able to use the men's room for years. Truth of the matter is for every natural-born female harassed by a transgendered women in the ladies room, ten thousand transgendered ladies get harassed by natural-born females. My two cents...
Blessings,

D

Born: Aug 2, 2012, one of Dr Suporn's grrls.
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MariaMx

This whole situation is stupid. They say a person with penis HAVE go to the men's room and a person with a vagina HAVE to go to the women's room. The most common line of reasoning I see for this opinion is to prevent rapists men from dressing up in women's clothing and and entering the women's room claiming to be transgender. I guess that means any potential rapist can forgo the costume and walk right in claiming to be a trans man  :eusa_eh:
"Of course!"
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Ms Grace

The dumb thing is that in all cases I've heard of cis men going into/hiding in women's rest rooms and/or attacking women... they don't bother getting dressed as women anyway. No doubt there are cases but I haven't heard them.
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
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Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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MariaMx

Quote from: Ms Grace on June 16, 2014, 05:10:32 AM
The dumb thing is that in all cases I've heard of cis men going into/hiding in women's rest rooms and/or attacking women... they don't bother getting dressed as women anyway. No doubt there are cases but I haven't heard them.
Exactly. On close scrutiny their augments don't make any sense what so ever. They are merely instruments to cover up and justify their bigotry.
"Of course!"
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