Val's Voyage

[Valerie.Val]

Yes, you're all right. Shame that one of us plays gatekeeper on a help line. I know what I need. 😊

@Stottie Girl so funny you said they were muppets, we also compared their behaviours to Waldorf & Statler 😂

[Stottie Girl]

Yes, you're all right. Shame that one of us plays gatekeeper on a help line. I know what I need. 😊

@Stottie Girl so funny you said they were muppets, we also compared their behaviours to Waldorf & Statler 😂

Ha ha! called it!🤣🤣

[Petunia]

This site is an example of how wonderful the internet can be.

No judgement. Just support, understanding, guidance, lived experience and a host of wonderful people.

I should have come here decades ago.

When it comes to the haters talking about regret or detransition why don't they also acknowledge those of us who don't make it and are pressured to self harm?

[Valerie.Val]

@Petunia I wholeheartedly agree - faith in humanity restored, as they say.

[Valerie.Val]

Right, I shaved my beard off and my spouse put make-up on my face. Tears of joy. I'm on the right track.

[tgirlamg]

Right, I shaved my beard off and my spouse put make-up on my face. Tears of joy. I'm on the right track.

The tip of the iceberg of joy! 🤗

Onward Brave Sister!

A💕

[Stottie Girl]

Right, I shaved my beard off and my spouse put make-up on my face. Tears of joy. I'm on the right track.

Oh wow! your wife really is awesome Val! You are a very lucky girl!

[Courtney G]

Right, I shaved my beard off and my spouse put make-up on my face. Tears of joy. I'm on the right track.

Wow, congratulations! So great that your spouse was able to assume that supporting role.

I'm up to my neck in electrolysis study and I must let you know: be very cautious about plucking, waxing or epilating any face or body hairs, as that can make the roots thicker and stronger and harder to remove later. It can even turn vellus (fine, soft) hairs into terminal ones! If you want to learn a bit more, check out Paradoxical Hypertrichosis.

[KristaFairchild]

Right, I shaved my beard off and my spouse put make-up on my face. Tears of joy. I'm on the right track.

I'll never forget the first time I was fully made up and dressed as a woman. I nearly cried with joy.

Years later, I've accepted who I am. I leave room for whatever the future brings, but my path hasn't wavered for two years. 

[Devlyn ✅]

Wow, congratulations! So great that your spouse was able to assume that supporting role.

I'm up to my neck in electrolysis study and I must let you know: be very cautious about plucking, waxing or epilating any face or body hairs, as that can make the roots thicker and stronger and harder to remove later. It can even turn vellus (fine, soft) hairs into terminal ones! If you want to learn a bit more, check out Paradoxical Hypertrichosis.

Do you have a source for that?

[KristaFairchild]

Do you have a source 

Paradoxical Hypertrichosis, is real. However, it is most strongly associated with certain forms of laser hair removal and intense pulsed light (IPL), not with ordinary plucking, waxing, or epilating.

[Devlyn ✅]

Paradoxical Hypertrichosis, is real. However, it is most strongly associated with certain forms of laser hair removal and intense pulsed light (IPL), not with ordinary plucking, waxing, or epilating.

Yes, that's what I found as well. I understand that everyone gets a different search return, and I was wondering why none of the other hair removal methods were listed as potential causes; and why the post here didn't list the IPL and laser at all. Hopefully Courtney can help us out with the answers.

[Courtney G]

Do you have a source for that?

Well, I thought I did, but I can't find it in my class notes! The only thing I found so far is that roots can be deformed from plucking and that laser and IPL can cause regrowth and/or conversion of vellus hairs to terminal ones.

But a Google search reveals this: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150409133407.htm#google_vignette 🔗

And this: https://www.->-bleeped-<-.com/r/electrolysis/comments/1okap5w/does_waxingplucking_stimulate_terminal_hair_growth/

And more stuff. But the ->-bleeped-<- thread is just people talking.
Wow...I can't use a red-something website url. Fascinating.

But I'm officially retracting my statement (unless I learn otherwise from multiple reputable sources or if I figure out which reputable source I'd learned that from)

[Lori Dee ✅]

I was told by my electrologist that plucking/waxing can damage the root, which in turn can cause ingrown hairs. She has a chart on the wall that shows hair follicles growing straight out, sideways, and even curled back into the skin (ingrown).

[Devlyn ✅]

Well, I thought I did, but I can't find it in my class notes! The only thing I found so far is that roots can be deformed from plucking and that laser and IPL can cause regrowth and/or conversion of vellus hairs to terminal ones.

But a Google search reveals this: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150409133407.htm#google_vignette 🔗

And this: https://www.->-bleeped-<-.com/r/electrolysis/comments/1okap5w/does_waxingplucking_stimulate_terminal_hair_growth/

And more stuff. But the ->-bleeped-<- thread is just people talking.
Wow...I can't use a red-something website url. Fascinating.

But I'm officially retracting my statement (unless I learn otherwise from multiple reputable sources or if I figure out which reputable source I'd learned that from)

Thank you for the update. 🙂

[Courtney G]

I was told by my electrologist that plucking/waxing can damage the root, which in turn can cause ingrown hairs. She has a chart on the wall that shows hair follicles growing straight out, sideways, and even curled back into the skin (ingrown).

Ingrown hairs are definitely a concern. I've read plenty about that. Deformed roots are a thing that is a concern for electrologists, as the root bulb could be harder to get to.

[Courtney G]

Do you have a source for that?

I'm running into this again and circled back to share. My school docs repeatedly say this (and similar) about vellus and intermediate hair:

"May become terminal as a result of physical aggression or hormonal change"

and

"Becomes actual hair following traumatism or hormonal variations"

and

"Can become terminal hair following physical trauma or hormonal changes"

You get the idea.

[Devlyn ✅]

Perhaps we should move this discussion to the hair removal section and give Val her blog back?

Hugs, Devlyn

[Valerie.Val]

@KristaFairchild thank you for sharing this memory, I'm so looking forward to everything that's to come!

@all thx for the insights regarding hair removal, incidentally I had my first laser session this week... First step of my physical transition. No regrets. 🥰

By the way somehow my IP range keeps getting banned for spam so I can't log in to Susan's most of the time.

Xoxo Val

[Devlyn ✅]

@Northern Star Girl can take a look at that for you. 🙂