Privacy issues for non-ops

[xsocialworker]

Because of the failed attempt on Christmas Day to blow up a plane with chemicals in his underpants, all flyers might be subject to the new technology of the x-ray machines that reveal genitals to the TSA.

Florida and Maryland now require that anybody applying for a drivers license or even an address change will need their ORIGIONAL birth certificate.

[tekla]

They've been dying to get those X-Ray machines in airports for years now, I'm sure this is the pretext they have been praying for.

[Flan]

only for where there is reasonable cause to suspect that a passenger is carrying contraband (the constitution is still in effect, especially that "not subject to unwarranted search" clause)

[tekla]

Once they start, everyone will do it, that keeps them from being un-PC and 'profiling' anyone.  If the 4th Amendment was really in force, they could not search my bag, or ask me about where I'm going and why.  No matter what, I always tell them I'm on my way to shoot a porn movie.  If they ask the title, I tell them "Sluts in Uniform Volume 8, Did you see Volume 7, lot of people really liked it."  They never ask anything else. 

[mickie88]

i like that, Tekla, can i use a modified version???...

[tekla]

Everything about the TSA bothers me, so I take the train, until they start that crap up there, in which case I might just have to go back to driving again.

On the other hand... a major Muslim spokesperson said a true Muslim would never stand for such a scanning and would refuse to pass through it.  So, problem solved pretty much.

[SarahFaceDoom]

We need to get those high speed trains up and running.  It's getting to the point where it's just not worth it to fly anymore.  It's getting too expensive, and it's getting to be too much of a hastle with all of the security measures you have to go through, just so you can be cooped up in a tiny plane, and kept on the tarmac for hours on end without much explanation.

Air travel in this country really sucks.

As for the birth certificate thing, they do that here as well I think, so I have to keep my court order that shows my name change for whenever I go to get my driver's license.  Otherwise there's no real way to verify all of that.  I actually have a friend who is not transgender, but who for a variety of reasons got cought in some kind of weird beaurocratic no-man's land where she couldn't get a driver's license.

It's one thing you'd think Republicans would actually fight for, privacy.  But they don't.  They're worse than the dems when it comes to making you go through a ton of loops just to get something simple done.

[xsocialworker]

Go to the CNN homepage and they have a picture of what TSA screeners could see. There is a person who's penis is clearly visable. If you are pre-op, I would find the prospect of flying extremely irritating. In my case, I am post-op. However, I get stiff after sitting too long (arthritis) and I have to pee a lot. Sorry. If these rules hold, I will not be able to fly overseas again and the airlines lose business. Southwest assures me that this stuff doesn't apply to short domestic flights (so far).

[pheonix]

Go to the CNN homepage and they have a picture of what TSA screeners could see. There is a person who's penis is clearly visable. If you are pre-op, I would find the prospect of flying extremely irritating. In my case, I am post-op. However, I get stiff after sitting too long (arthritis) and I have to pee a lot. Sorry. If these rules hold, I will not be able to fly overseas again and the airlines lose business. Southwest assures me that this stuff doesn't apply to short domestic flights (so far).

The reality is that we non-ops were open to these sorts of issues even before this rule change -- states with antiquated Driver's License gender marker requirements, if selected for random searches etc.  So meh.  I'm flying in 2010 and figure there's nothing I can do about it.  It sucks but what can you do.  I'll likely bring a carry letter and documentation on my driver's license gender marker change.

[tekla]

We need to get those high speed trains up and running.

Not very likely unless the states can do it.  Cal/Nevada might (might) get one someday from LA to Vegas, but any such train is at least a decade and a half off.  In the meantime, China just put a new maglev train online that averages 217 miles an hour, and Denver, which used to have ski train up to Winter Park can't seem to end the fight about who is going to run it, and may not even have this this year.  The French, who built the first maglev system claim they can hit 356 MPH with it, but it does not normally operate that fast.

Pretty station in China too.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091226/wl_asia_afp/chinatransportrail

[Yvonne]

In life there are consequences for everything.  You don't want surgery?  You 'chose' to be a non-op?  Fine! deal with the consequences then.

[rock]

In life there are consequences for everything.  You don't want surgery?  You 'chose' to be a non-op?  Fine! deal with the consequences then.

That comment was not called for. Have you ever considered their are many non ops who CAN NOT HAVE SURGERY DO TO HEALTH PROBLEMS. Please be more considerate and think before you post

[Sarah Louise]

There are many reasons people don't have surgery, they could include finances, existing medical issues (a big one), not passing psych tests, and just not wanting surgery. 

But yes each of us then have to accept the issues that come with that reality, including having something seen in the "full body" screening.  I do not feel full body screening is needed or will solve the issue of tracking terrorists.

Sarah L.

[Renate]

I would add that we should all be careful using the word "choice" around here.
Many outsiders would disparage our transitions as "merely a choice" or worse, "a lifestyle choice".

Technically speaking, everything we do is a "choice" even if the only alternative is death.

[Randi]

So many times those around us take the view that we can just simply 'choose' to be or not be trans. I did not choose to be who/what I am-at least if I did choose before I was born I can't recall it now. Even if I did choose this life I do not enjoy it sometimes-especially when I must deal with my wife-who I love dearly and want to stay with. She just won't get that I can't just choose to not be trans.

As for the airlines and all that-today I can choose not to fly.  The masses will always catch the flack from the actions of a few. If a situation arises that forces me to be far, far away quickly I will be forced to deal with it on their terms-but not until then. If I were operating an airline I must admit that I would sacrifice privacy for having tighter security any day.

[Shana A]

In life there are consequences for everything.  You don't want surgery?  You 'chose' to be a non-op?  Fine! deal with the consequences then.

Yes, there are consequences for everything we do in life, however this sounds similar to blaming women who are raped for wearing mini skirts. Or trans people for being murdered...

Z

[Yvonne]

Yes, there are consequences for everything we do in life, however this sounds similar to blaming women who are raped for wearing mini skirts. Or trans people for being murdered...

Z

Victim? what victim?  There are 2 kinds of non-op, those peeps that genuinely want surgery but can't have it because of health/financial issues.  They have nothing but my utmost compassion & the other kind,

Removed contents that is in breach of rule 10. ~ Miniar

lol.  if you need some help pulling your foot out of your mouth, i'm available for a small fee.

When & if the moment comes, I'll go for a 'real' lawyer.

[Shana A]

Victim? what victim?  There are 2 kinds of non-op, those peeps that genuinely want surgery but can't have it because of health/financial issues.  They have nothing but my utmost compassion & the other kind,

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When & if the moment comes, I'll go for a 'real' lawyer.

You're making quite a lot of assumptions about non-ops. Some don't necessarily "like" their genitals, but choose to not have surgery. There can be many reasons; religious beliefs, health, financial issues, family, to name a few. Speaking for myself, I didn't choose to be gender variant, I was born this way. Just as you're born as who you are. The choices I've made, and will continue to make, are based on my personal situation, and have absolutely nothing to do with fetish or being a "fake".

As an admin, I remind you to not make personal attacks, or this thread will be locked.

Thanks,

Z

[Yvonne]

i wasnt offering you legal services, just manual labor.

i'll help you pull your head out of your ass, though, for free.

Thanks very kindly but no.  Whilst I appreciate the offer, I forgot to say that besides a 'real' lawyer, Removed personal insult. ~ Miniar

You've got to the double standard   When I post they quickly say:

As an admin, I remind you to not make personal attacks, or this thread will be locked.

Thanks,

Z

but when somebody attacks me nobody says anything.  You've got to love it. Typical.

[Miniar]

*Puts moderator hat on*

Since it's clearly been forgotten again, I'll remind you to follow the rules, this includes;

10. Bashing or flaming of any individuals or groups is not acceptable behavior on this web site and will not be tolerated in the slightest for any reason.  This includes but is not limited to:

Advocating the separation or exclusion of one or more group from under the Transgender umbrella term
Suggesting or claiming that one segment or sub-segment of our community is more legitimate, deserving, or more real than any others

And

15. Items under discussion shall be confined to the subject matter at hand, members shall avoid taking the other users posts personally, and/or posting anything that can reasonably be construed as a personal attack.

One more post to this thread that is in breach in either of these rules and I will personally lock this thread and issue a warning to the offender.

*takes mod hat off*