I have ->-bleeped-<-. Is 20 too late to pass *attractively*? (pics)

[Jeneva]

Wha? I don't care what you are. I align myself with gay males.

I am just saying I was a gay male turned ts...hence hsts...the term works for me. Maybe not for someone else and how they choose to define themselves is up to their perspective...NOT MINE.

The opposite of hsts isn't sts, but rather ->-bleeped-<-. So if you I'd as hsts then you are implicitly saying we are all ->-bleeped-<-. Saying you are hsts isn't the same as saying you are a former gay male that realized you were really TS.

Let's just toss hsts and ->-bleeped-<- and just say we are all trans.

[Inanna]

It's a special topic indeed.

Regarding "homosexual transsexual", that just sounds so weird when referring to a MTF that likes males.

From what I understand, the implication is that "homosexual transsexuals" transition only to access straight males, while "->-bleeped-<- transsexuals" transition only because of a fetish.

Either way, there is no talk of gender identity at all.  Further, how does it explain asexual or bisexual transsexuals?  Does a bisexual TS fetishize having a female body while at the same time transition to get into straight guys' pants?  ...lolwut.

[Joandelynn]

I am an HSTS.... Honestly, I think a lot of Blanchards views make sense for parts of the community.

No, you're not. You didn't even read Blanchard, now didn't you?

According to Blanchard, a HSTS is a gay male who transitions because he wants to attract heterosexual males. But you yourself said in this thread that you transitioned because you didn't feel accepted as a femme guy in the gay community, and you also said you still prefer homosexual males. In fact, all these things that you have said scare me a bit, because a lot of people that transitioned for the same reasons as you did ended up as regretters. If I were you I would seriously think about what you are doing, are you sure that you are not running away from a problem to end up with an even bigger problem? This is not meant as an attack, it's an advice.

And now back to the topicstarter. Forget all this crap about HSTS and ->-bleeped-<- transsexuals. First of all, you look way too feminine in the right picture to be ->-bleeped-<- (if there even was such a thing). Second of all, having sexual fantasies about the female role is a perfectly normal thing for someone who has a female sexuality, and all transsexual women do have a female sexuality. Even the ones that are into men have these fantasies. In fact, it would be very suspicious if a transsexual woman saw herself in her fantasies in the male role, then something really would be wrong.

Don't listen to all the bad advice in this thread from people who hardly even figured out their own insecurities. It's absolute bull->-bleeped-<- that people can "always tell". If you truly are a woman inside, and transition young (and you still are young!), then you have a very likely chance that people will never be able to tell once you've transitioned.

So forget about all these fantasies you are having and look to who you truly are inside. And once again, go to an experienced gender therapist to help you figure this out.

[Mahsa Tezani]

No, you're not. You didn't even read Blanchard, now didn't you?

According to Blanchard, a HSTS is a gay male who transitions because he wants to attract heterosexual males. But you yourself said in this thread that you transitioned because you didn't feel accepted as a femme guy in the gay community, and you also said you still prefer homosexual males. In fact, all these things that you have said scare me a bit, because a lot of people that transitioned for the same reasons as you did ended up as regretters. If I were you I would seriously think about what you are doing, are you sure that you are not running away from a problem to end up with an even bigger problem? This is not meant as an attack, it's an advice.

I do date straight men too. These things aren't black and white. I transitioned for several reasons, not just the gay community and not feeling completely comfortable living as a male in it.

Not really. I have no plans for SRS, as that would be counteractive...Just some minor ffs and breast implants. I mean the men I like, like penis...But aren't ->-bleeped-<-s.

[Inanna]

As for your pondering over whether there are Bi's transitioning only to get straight hunks; sure there are. If there can be gay DragQueens having SRS only because they become addicted to sleeping with straight guys(Yep has actually happened), then there are probably bisexuals doing it for the same reasons aswell.

The logic of ->-bleeped-<- and HST doesn't leave room for non-sexual reasons, so by their logic a bisexual would be doing it for two totally separate sexual reasons at the same time, which just struck me as... unlikely.

[Joandelynn]

I transitioned for several reasons

And that is impossible according to Blanchard. According to him there is only one reason why people transition, and that is sex. Either a sexual attraction to heterosexual males or a sexual attraction to yourself as a women. You really shouldn't buy into his stupid theories.

[Bishounen]

The logic of ->-bleeped-<- and HST doesn't leave room for non-sexual reasons, so by their logic a bisexual would be doing it for two totally separate sexual reasons at the same time, which just struck me as... unlikely.

Depends how one sees it. ->-bleeped-<- and HSTS are according to Blanchard's theories a bit different, although yet similar in a way.
However, I personally disagree with the HSTS-explanation for Transsexualism, so the only lable left, in my opinion, is ->-bleeped-<-, which only applies for some transitioners.
If the theory would be used for sometypes of transitioners and not as a substitute for true Transsexualism, then it would work as a perfectly reasonable diagnosis for some patients.
Pretending that there aren't people that wants to transition for fetishistic reasons is just silly. I mean, if the term is used separately it's not that it threatens the existence of real transsexuals, or anything.

[Just Shelly]

I never said that this is just a fetish for you, I touched upon that subject and the possibility as you said yourself that you are Autogynephilic, as  ->-bleeped-<- are a Fetishistic manifestation. Plus, I explained the reasons for some transitioners- Big difference.
People transition for different reasons, Some transition because they are the gender they percieve themselves as and are simply correcting a birth defect, while others transiton because they get exited by the idea of becoming the other gender, for various reasons, and to this later scenario, fetishistic reasons can be a big factor.

As for crossdressing in early childhood.Whell, Children can have fetishes aswell, so it is really nothing odd with that at all. A child that crossdress at that age can be transsexual, transvestite or doing it for various fetishistic reasons just as a grown-up that does the same.

I started to CD at the age of nine. Did I do it for fetish reasons? I don't believe so, I never got any sexual gratification from it. Matter of fact I didn't know what masturbating was until about 15. After 15 I did associate my CD with being a fetish, I think because that is how so many classified it and because I did gain sexual gratification from it at times.

I never enjoyed being a CD I knew I never truly was. All I had to go by was what I read, which much is false. Once I realized this isn't what I wanted, things became so much clearer. Do I feel like CD? No! but I'm sure other people see me as that. Thats what really gets me mad. I dislike many CD"s because of that, I do not disagree with what they do, hell thats what I considered myself once but I do not associate myself with them either socially or mentally.

[Just Shelly]

That's exactly what I was getting at when I mentioned it in my post.

Also, @jdinatale, if you ever call a MtF a "homosexual transsexual" (what I'm assuming hsts stands for in that blip you posted), be prepared to receive a swift kick in the balls

I disagree. If you intend on keeping your born anatomy and wanting to use it the same way you did before (anal) to me that is a homosexual transsexual.

What is your definition?

Oh I always hate when another MTF says "I always new I was a girl, just a boy on the outside, I never fet like a boy" Good for you! why did you stay looking like a boy so long, same damn reasons I did!

[Mahsa Tezani]

Oh I always hate when another MTF says "I always new I was a girl, just a boy on the outside, I never fet like a boy" Good for you! why did you stay looking like a boy so long, same damn reasons I did!

Or why did they live the male lifestyle to it's extreme...you know, getting married, having kids, joining the military, being a manly man, etc...

Boy or girl...It's all relative in the gay world. My ex boyfriend is a manly looking guy but still acts like one of the girls.

[Just Shelly]

Or why did they live the male lifestyle to it's extreme...you know, getting married, having kids, joining the military, being a manly man, etc...

Boy or girl...It's all relative in the gay world. My ex boyfriend is a manly looking guy but still acts like one of the girls.

You know we are on opposite sides of the TG spectrum. We will have to agree to disagree.

This post started about ->-bleeped-<-, and how one feels misdiagnosed,  it has gone on to; I'm more trans then you  are! na nana nanaa na !!!

You are you, I am me!

[Mahsa Tezani]

You are you, I am me!

I actually have regrets not delving further into the femme stuff as a boy. Now I am essentially trapped in my boyfriends idea of how I should be and it sucks. If I want to listen to Cher all day...He calls me gay. If I dance to Britney...he calls me gay. If I invite gay people over...He calls me gay. I can't even be into fashion, without him saying I am not acting like a straight girl. Ultimately, although I had success as a straight girl... It wasn't for me.

I originally wanted to go more into being a DQ back in 2009 after my gay male life fell apart due to problems with all my ex's, but everyone thought I was a cisgirl  originally LOL LOL LOL LMAO...so wait for it...wait for it......

I became one. I don't regret it, it's been a lot of fun. But there's a huge part of my life I am not experiencing, since I have to follow this coda and be a "straight girl"... I don't regret hormones or feminizing my body... But I barely can perform due to his issues with me and him not coming out of the closet. I do consider myself a TS, but just that...No distinction of gender otherwise.

[Forever21Chic]

  Wow ok you guys need to stop arguing about the ->-bleeped-<- thing, you all act as if your licensed gender therapists and it's ridiculous. JD asked "is 20 to late to pass attractively?" not "should i transition if i have ->-bleeped-<-?" Give your advice on whether or not JD would pass and move on. 


   JD i think you look very androgynous in the second picture and nothing i see facial wise screams out as male. Being 20 years old HRT would work great on you if transition is what you decide on doing, again see a gender therapist a.s.a.p to work all this out - goodluck!

[Jen61]

I think based on the pic on the right....It's gonna take a few more years and some werqk. I see a slightly feminine male. Maybe you should explore drag/cd before you take the plunge.

Hi, Jdinatale,


Certainly I have never seen so much attention to any introduction. OK, like in the real world this forum is populated by people from all walks of life. Some people here a porno starts, prostitutes, or ex cons. Some are professionals, cops, lawyers, contractors, trades woman, etc. Some are extreme religious, some are communists, etc; you get my point. The most important think at this nexus for you is to know that when it come to Gender Identity Dysphoria (GID) you will get a lot of advice in this forum. Most of those post are  personal experiences and , what we call in medcine "anecdotal,"  there are a few knowledgeable people who occasionally post.

I taught anatomy in a medical school for over ten years, and I can tell you that based on my knowledge of anatomy, that from your body and facial configuration and your ethnic background, you will have little problem crossing the bridge.

The first thing now should be to talk to a good therapist, one who is experience in GID, so yo can sort out your feelings. The last thing you need now is to get in the middle of some bickering old hags, do ignore the negative postings.

OO,

Jen61

[Butterflyhugs]

I disagree. If you intend on keeping your born anatomy and wanting to use it the same way you did before (anal) to me that is a homosexual transsexual.

A woman attracted to a man is not a homosexual.

[Just Shelly]

A woman attracted to a man is not a homosexual.

I didn't say anything about attraction.

I am not attracted to men, if I was I wouldn't consider myself homosexual but if I engage in anal sex with my anatomical parts I was born with I am having a homosexual sex. If I'm wrong, please feel free to correct!

[Jen61]

I actually have regrets not delving further into the femme stuff as a boy. Now I am essentially trapped in my boyfriends idea of how I should be and it sucks. If I want to listen to Cher all day...He calls me gay. If I dance to Britney...he calls me gay. If I invite gay people over...He calls me gay. I can't even be into fashion, without him saying I am not acting like a straight girl. Ultimately, although I had success as a straight girl... It wasn't for me.

I originally wanted to go more into being a DQ back in 2009 after my gay male life fell apart due to problems with all my ex's, but everyone thought I was a cisgirl  originally LOL LOL LOL LMAO...so wait for it...wait for it......

I became one. I don't regret it, it's been a lot of fun. But there's a huge part of my life I am not experiencing, since I have to follow this coda and be a "straight girl"... I don't regret hormones or feminizing my body... But I barely can perform due to his issues with me and him not coming out of the closet. I do consider myself a TS, but just that...No distinction of gender otherwise.

You sure need a new therapist, and btw dump the controling BF

[MsDazzler]

In all honesty I can't answer your question with certainty.
I have been researching the possibilities and results of a transition between 25 and 30 and came up with virtually no data. By far most people I know transitioned between 12 and 19, and over 35. The first group ended up very convincing with only a few exceptions so I think there lies your answer. The older group had very mixed results with an inclination to not passable.
Like people mentioned before, a lot is dependant on genetics.

Gotta agree.... I am Asian and just started transitioning, but I am indeed fortunate, that being Asian help me enormously with transitioning... even without hormones, I was already passing. Now I have been on hormones for 41 days and can't wait to see the results!

[Sailor_Saturn]

Not that it hasn't been emphasized by several posts already, but I think I'll go ahead and overemphasize the point:

->-bleeped-<- DOES NOT EXIST.

[Mahsa Tezani]

You sure need a new therapist, and btw dump the controling BF

Who are you the therapist police? LOL

I don't have a therapist...as I am fine with having a fluid identity.