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Fear of Men

Started by pretty, October 13, 2012, 12:48:48 PM

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tekla

Hey, like I said, I'm all for self-defense, not just as a video, or a class, but as a way of life.  It's good for you physically, mentally, and the better ones work on a spiritual level too.  As for confidence, I think that comes from putting the stuff into practice in the day to day, and it's more like enhanced awareness.  That whole 'spy' deal of knowing - feeling almost - when someone has entered that circle around you. 

I also think it's awesome for motivating people to learn how to run like hell.  We began, and ended classes with the guy I studied with for 15 years by running.  Part of that was strength, conditioning and getting all warmed up - but a bigger part was as Master Chu always said there were three rules for fighting on the streets.  One, don't fight - RUN.  Two, there is no such thing as 'a fair fight' outside of the Olympics - there are no rules.  Three, if you must fight, when you put that person down, make sure they stay down no matter what you have to do to accomplish that.  And that's pretty brutal stuff, stuff the average person won't/can't do for the most part.

And I just want people to be safe/safer, and I worry about too little knowledge being a dangerous thing.

Time and time again people start martial arts thinking that it will enable them to take on people bigger than them and win and what you learn in a class that has lots of real-time sparring is, more than likely, not.  If I have 50lbs. on someone if I can close the distance then that 50lbs is a HUGE advantage - one your training is not likely to overcome.  (Also, keep in mind that a lot of martial arts training is dedicated to overcoming pain, so even if you land a few good ones its not likely to stop me.)  Much better if I have 50lbs on you that you know you could most likely outrun my fat ass.  And that that is the best possible outcome.

Confidence is good (sexy in fact) so long as its kept in check, but even a touch too much leads to overconfidence and that's a killer.

And I say that because those guys who are bad, the thugs and thuglettes, the few who cause all these problems are real low-lives. I mean, not like this place here. No, I mean bad.  And they grow up practicing that kind of violence, they are skilled at it, they are used to it - thrive on it in fact (it is/can be it's own super-drug) - and getting to a level where you can take them on, at their game, on their turf, is in fact, a pretty high level.  Some piece of scum, human flotsam and jetsam, who is going to rape someone is going to need something more than a single Monkey Steals The Peach trick to stop them.

I've spend over 40 years now working in close proximity to highly over-agitated people awash in massive amounts of alcohol (and whatever else) and so I get to see a couple of those fights every year.  And contrary to the movies and TV where people slug it out, trading punches and such, pretty much 95% of the bar fights I've seen in my life last exactly one punch.  (Yeah, its one of the fun parts of the job.)

And, every now and then I also get treated to the 'Mister suburban dojo Taekwondo' putting their rule-based techniques into real life practice against some street thug, or security person, and it don't turn out so good for them.  Yeah, go ahead and gimmie that Bruce Lee Walker Texas Ranger roundhouse kick, I can't wait.  Because I'm (or whoever) going to catch that foot of yours up there in the air and then it's all over.  Because - going back to the stuff you learn in real time sparring - the LAST thing you ever want to do is take your feet off the ground.

So the advice about taking martial arts is good, sound and solid.  But it's serious stuff, and if your going to do it you have to be serious about it.  And then, after years of training and practice you'll know...

You better make your face up in your favorite disguise
With your button down lips and your roller blind eyes
With your empty smile
And your hungry heart
Feel the bile rising from your guilty past
With your nerves in tatters
As the cockleshell shatters
And the hammers batter down your door
You better run
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Keaira

Quote from: pretty on October 13, 2012, 02:12:36 PM

I know there are better guys than that out there but sometimes it feels like almost all guys think about is sex and that is all they can see in a woman, and even guys you thought weren't like that would surprise you if they said what they REALLY thought.

Lol Lady Gaga monsters, I love that, I guess I never met many guys like that.

Thanks Caleb  :)

I can understand that perspective too. It must be so hard growing up as the "girl" in the boys' only club, especially if you are a boy inside. It seems like after puberty everyone just took sides and girls and guys couldn't have real friendships anymore...  :-\

Well I know from personal experience that Tigger and .Caleb are really great guys. I think in, in a way, Caleb growing up on the girl's side of the fence has helped him become a gentleman and Tigger was born before kids became the spoiled brats they are today. :P

And actually, since I was bullied so much and seen as a 'gay male' thoughout my entire life, I've felt a lot of negative things against men for many years. It's taken a number of guys being friends with me before I've let go of those feelings. And I'm glad I did. I feel blessed to have Tigger and .Caleb in my life and finally not felt at odds with my Dad.

But I still have to deal with those jerks at work. And my patience with them ran out last night.
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oZma

absolutely terrified... its like just the fact we missed out on being socialized in a high school setting as girls we are kind of stuck in this 13 year old girl fear of boys.  or at least thats how I feel sometimes.  going on dates with boys I just pretend to act like I know what I'm doing and try to be cute but inside I'm terrified
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pretty

Quote from: oZma on October 16, 2012, 01:17:55 PM
absolutely terrified... its like just the fact we missed out on being socialized in a high school setting as girls we are kind of stuck in this 13 year old girl fear of boys.  or at least thats how I feel sometimes.  going on dates with boys I just pretend to act like I know what I'm doing and try to be cute but inside I'm terrified

Mmhmm it always feels like something is missing... like it is impossible to be as innocent as a cis girl relating to guys.. because even if you know how that they see you as a girl now there's still this ugly memory in your mind of a time when they treated you different and expected different things of you because they thought you were a boy... I wish I could forget that :-\
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oZma

Quote from: pretty on October 16, 2012, 01:56:24 PM
Mmhmm it always feels like something is missing... like it is impossible to be as innocent as a cis girl relating to guys.. because even if you know how that they see you as a girl now there's still this ugly memory in your mind of a time when they treated you different and expected different things of you because they thought you were a boy... I wish I could forget that :-\

exactly, it's like I can't let go of this boy I used to be.  I can't imagine that a guy will ever like me, just being a ->-bleeped-<-.  if he saw what I used to be, he would be turned off and never want to talk to me.

so maybe its not a fear of men, but a fear of what they would think if they know I'm trans? like I can't imagine why a guy would even like me! just for sex?
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Kevin Peña

Quote from: oZma on October 16, 2012, 02:07:49 PM
so maybe its not a fear of men, but a fear of what they would think if they know I'm trans? like I can't imagine why a guy would even like me! just for sex?

Well, that's more rational than a fear of men in and of themselves. Once again, not all guys are scumbags. One could genuinely like you for your personality.
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Meria

I also have it. I dont know if its a natural thing, or if it was something to do about my past.

My mother and I lived 14 years of domestic violence until they got divorced and we went to live somewhere else. Besides my father, which I dint see ever again since we left, boys and even teachers were very abusive and aggresive towards me at school. I felt constantly humilliated every day of my "old life", so maybe that is why Im so insecure with myself and scared of men, as you say. 
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