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Do any of you feel male and female like me?

Started by Shawn Sunshine, January 23, 2013, 10:00:34 PM

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Shawn Sunshine

I feel male and female, I am also intersex, I also am transgender, because i want to present as more female than male. I want to transition , however i will always feel both male and female. In addition to this i want to express my genderfluidity and some days do you tube videos in male voices and on some days do them in female ones. But having lived as male for so long, and raised as male i find it hard to see how i can shed some of my habits and mannerisms enough to really be at a comfortable place. I would say some days i'd like to dress androgynous and some days in just jeans and a shirt, some days in a super girl outfit and some days in a superman one. Yet also i want hrt,and srs surgery and dress just how i feel on certain days. I have days where i feel 100% female, and girly girl, and some days where i just seem in the middle.

Does all that seem logical to you?
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BunnyBee

I don't think it needs to be logical :).  You just need to be authentically you.
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A

You might be a rarer case, but you're in no way unique. People who feel androgynous / genderqueer exist, and there's nothing wrong with them.

As long as you're sure you're not just doing things halfway because you're afraid or something, it's perfect that way.
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Aleah

Can't really comment on the genderfluidity, I never WANT to present as male.

But some days, I'm kinda ok with presenting as male (which is getting rarer and rarer), but usually thats because I'm distracted with things that are linked to gender expression, like talking to people online my female persona. Even with old friends that I've come out and they expect me to use male adjectives.

For a while I wasn't sure, I knew I wanted to transition and present as female all the time but I didn't really hate being male, but at this point I was in serious denial and convincing myself I'm just a CD/TV who wants to go at least part-time.

It took a while after that before I was serious about transition and all I could think about was going full-time, but I still have days where I feel "just ok" and think is it necessary?

But I've always had good days and bad days when it comes to gender, and good periods and bad periods. Months of crossdressing and then just stop for a few months.

I always come back to the same point though...

I think for some people this see-saw effect is normal.

Just give yourself time, these things usually sort themselves out and you will know.
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toxicblue

I absolutely don't want to present as male, but I wouldn't mind presenting as not 100% feminine. I guess you could call that "stereotypical lesbian attire," or even just indie.
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eli77

Quote from: toxicblue on January 23, 2013, 10:51:12 PM
I absolutely don't want to present as male, but I wouldn't mind presenting as not 100% feminine. I guess you could call that "stereotypical lesbian attire," or even just indie.

Giggling helplessly at that right now.


Shawn, you may want to check out the Androgyne forum here. That's where are all the gender-complex folks tend to hang out and chat.
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Adam (birkin)

I second checking out the Androgyne forum. I spent a lot of time there in the past, and still relate to them better than binary people sometimes.
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Shawn Sunshine

I have already been to the Androgyne plenty of times. I was just curious as to know how many people were in my situation that were also mtf
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big kim

I used to when I was a guy in the 70s and 80s,I would be a bad ass bearded biker for a few weeks then shave my beard off and present andro with stretch jeans and  T shirts.
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Lyric

I've dealt with feeling cross gendered for a very long time and have come to terms with it for myself pretty well-- though I'm always tinkering with things. It's a lot more challenging to realize you can't take an off-the-shelf lifestyle and be just a man or a woman or even a transgender women (as many on this forum are). You have to be creative and create your own way to be-- but ultimately, it will be more satisfying if that's who you are.

While I'm not an expert on the subject, I'm pretty sure that if you do not feel 100% female, it would not be a good idea to go on HRT or have SRS surgery. In fact, I don't think any ethical therapist or doctor would provide you with these unless a qualified therapist has assessed that this is the case.

There are plenty of people living gender liquid lifestyles, and while it will always have it's difficulties, if it's who you are you'll find a way to make it work for you. Society has certain unspoken (and sometimes spoken) rules about being one gender or the other and I've always found life easier to come across as distinctly one or the other, for sure. Certainly with jobs and social situations it's best to present with some consistency. I've found, though, that it helps to present oneself as more androgynous most of the time because this makes people more understanding of your situation. I like to say I'd rather have people say "is that a man or a woman" than "look at that man dressed as a woman".

I'm probably not the best role model for this since I work at home and don't have terribly active social life. Our wonderful friend Barbie on this forum is a great example of someone living a fairly public androgynous life, though. She's genetic male who is married with children and a university scholar who presents publicly (and beautifully, I might say) as primarily female, but generally androgynous. Do a web search of modeling superstar Andrej Pejic (my current fav fashion star) to learn about a very publicly successful androgynous lifestyle.

~ Lyric ~
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Shawn Sunshine

QuoteWhile I'm not an expert on the subject, I'm pretty sure that if you do not feel 100% female, it would not be a good idea to go on HRT or have SRS surgery

Why? there are plenty of cisgender females who feel like having a male expression or feel like a mix of male and female. Why should I be any different in that regard? I know I have to transition, because my outer body does not match who I am inside. I already have been told I have GID by my doctor and therapist. Dressing up in women's clothes or removing body hair, is not enough for me. While I may be intersex, it is causing me much dysphoria to continue to have a body that has mixed traits.

I even had a dream where God told me its not ok for me to be a man. I asked God if it was ok for me to be a woman.
I still see myself more of a woman than a man, i just am going to keep aspects of my current self, such as my voice , because I do voice impressions and I like speaking the way I do. Then of course i don't have a desire to dress feminine every day.
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Michelle G

I despise being male.....but that's just me, your experience may vary ;)
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Natkat

I have a friend who is mtf but pretty gender-queer. she is both male and female. she dress boyish and has short hair with no makeup. yet passes as female.
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Megan S

No way... I have always wanted to be female, want to present as female, and feel icky when I have had to present as male. I want nothing to do with being male, although I know and realize it is part of my past, which I cannot change.
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peky

Quote from: Michelle G on January 24, 2013, 11:14:22 AM
I despise being male.....but that's just me, your experience may vary ;)

I despise having been forced to assume the male role....I have never felt male at all....
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Shawn Sunshine

Quote from: Natkat on January 24, 2013, 12:39:26 PM
I have a friend who is mtf but pretty gender-queer. she is both male and female. she dress boyish and has short hair with no makeup. yet passes as female.

That's cool, I think i will try long hair first though, i had long hair all the way down to my back when i was 19, I cut it short because i was trying to get in the army, and then just left it that way.

However I was thinking of sporting a look like this:



Or maybe even this:

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MaidofOrleans

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on January 24, 2013, 04:50:09 PM
That's cool, I think i will try long hair first though, i had long hair all the way down to my back when i was 19, I cut it short because i was trying to get in the army, and then just left it that way.

However I was thinking of sporting a look like this:



Or maybe even this:



You may want to skip out on the cape.
"For transpeople, using the right pronoun is NOT simply a 'political correctness' issue. It's core to the entire struggle transpeople go through. Using the wrong pronoun means 'I don't recognize you as who you are.' It means 'I think you're confused, delusional, or mentally I'll.'. It means 'you're not important enough for me to acknowledge your struggle.'"
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Shawn Sunshine

I will only wear the cape for comic conventions  :police:
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Kay12

This is me:
I am a man and there is a woman inside of me. I am married and happy to be my wifes husband. But I also want to be the woman I know is inside of me. I want to be my wifes lesbian lover, but she only is attracted to men. But I am also ok to continue being the man I also am. But I want to be female, no wait, male. I want to do HRT and become the woman. No, I have been a man too long and would never pass. My wife would leave me. The people in my life would not understand. So what, become the woman you want to be. Dammit!

This is how I have been thinking everyday for the last two months.
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Jamie D

Shawn, what you describe reminds me of "genderfluidity."

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