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TS Admirers - What makes 'em tick?

Started by HelenW, May 29, 2007, 08:08:20 PM

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RebeccaFog

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Quote from: Katia on June 04, 2007, 02:00:29 AM
Quote from: Pica Pica on June 02, 2007, 05:04:11 PM
Men who chase are always creepy...

period.

Katia?

   May I have some of that blood you're drinking, Please?

Added 6/7:

   Hey, what happened to the blood?
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Autumn

As I've said before, one of the first things I did to express my TG was to get an adult site profile and throw up a couple of pictures that were reasonably flattering and sexy. No intention of actually meeting anyone through it (well, guys at least), but it was fun. And I got a lot of positive reactions, heh.

Nearly all of them were "straight." As I've said before though, men will never identify as bi just because they've got some ideas in their heads. It's social suicide.

The main belief I held was what Doc expressed. We're seen as vulnerable, we want to be women... "Here's a dick" - Chris Rock.

There were a couple of young guys (20-25) who contacted me, but the vast majority were at least 40, most in their 50s. A lot of them expressed interest in cross dressing, a few mentioned either no or very little gay interaction, but the desire to be with TG. A few offered to make me their little girl. A lot were married and said that their wife didn't approve of their crossdressing.

I talked to a couple of the young guys, and they were just rather awkward. I think that all of the reasons expressed in this thread are valid for different people. There are always parasites who exploit those who are vulnerable, there's confused people, there's people who don't know why they are the way they are in periods of their own transition, confused kids, people who've repressed things all of their lives and have been warped a bit by it...

I can also believe the whole thing about us being more liberated and open to things. I've also heard that TG will put more effort into their appearance than GG, since it's always an uphill battle for us. The extra feminine-effort that's required to pass attracts men who want their women to be that way.

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I had a 3.5 year online relationship with a woman, and I came out with her help basically. Eventually, after 2 years or so when I began to put the pieces together about myself  we swapped gender roles in our fantasies. She enjoyed it a lot and became quite dominant and enjoyed the switch. And of course for me, it was divine escapism since I knew no other ways of dealing with it. Of course, this was something that came up after a lengthy relationship and was less about the physical (being online anyway... blargh, mistakes of youth.) At the time, I couldn't feel feminine without the allure of penetration. Now, of course, I'm older and wiser and recognize that that comes from within, not from what someone's putting in you. She never really understood the true nature of TG, she thought it was entirely sexual for me. I over-sexualized it because I knew no other way to express it at the time.

Oddly enough, it was by her suggestion that I crossdress the first time, without any prior inclination expressed by myself.  I was still in my manly denial stage when we first met and for the first half of our time together.

She had an attraction to women, but because of the whole self esteem/women being in competition with other women thing, she said she could never actually be with another woman. She got to explore her own curiosities with regard to that with me.

I miss her  :laugh:. Different circumstances, and she would have been the perfect person for me. As is, if I hadn't had her support and love I wouldn't have been able to begin chipping away the costume like I have.
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Of course, since a lot of ->-bleeped-<--->-bleeped-<-s want to be topped, that just doesn't work out for (most of) us  :D Though, let's face it, to a male brain putting your wang in something is a good thing. I can see why those ignorant of the depth of TGism would think that they're doing us a favor by switching off.
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Emerald


In the Cisgender world, the equivalent of a ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<- would be a skirt ->-bleeped-<- or a wolf. It's all about the pursuit of a willing sex partner without a relationship commitment. On the other hand, there are both male and female Admirers who earnestly seek love, romance and a long term relationship with those who are Transsexual. I would equate them with a man who feels Asian women are more beautiful and exotic than women of their own race. In the military area I live in, I see many soldier's Asian wives who dearly loved and cherished in part for the esteem the husbands feel for their wife's oriental beauty and mystery.

Over the years, I have conversed with a few dozen men (and a couple of women) who would be categorized as ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-s and Admirers. Surprisingly, I discovered many of them are also transgendered but were unwilling to admit it to themselves... or anyone else. They would frequently ask "Why do I feel this way about TS's, why do I have this attraction? Where did it come from?" Many were afraid their longing for a Transwomen meant that they were gay or somehow perverted. Others knew their reasons. Some felt Transwomen were more feminine than Cisgender females. Others felt Cisgender women were too 'easy', little challenge, and that a Transsexual's heart is not nearly as easily won. Generally, Admirers felt Transsexuals were beautiful people both inside and out, and held much respect for their determination to live as women or men despite their natal sex.

It's difficult at times, to understand how someone else could feel love in spite of, or even because of, what one may find unattractive in themselves, but it happens a lot. It happens all the time.

-Emerald  :icon_mrgreen:
Androgyne.
I am not Trans-masculine, I am not Trans-feminine.
I am not Bigender, Neutrois or Genderqueer.
I am neither Cisgender nor Transgender.
I am of the 'gender' which existed before the creation of the binary genders.
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Laura Eva B

My best male friend of 20 years + was I guess an "admirer".

We met at a TV/TS venue (he dressed in a half hearted way, I dresse an looked "wow") ... but my attraction to him was not physical at all, more us being on a very similar intellectual, cultural, musical footing.

We became the best of friends rather than sexual partners.

He with his doctorate in medieval history was my ideal guide as we traversed the length and breadth of Europe on countless holidays together ....

And then he met Jasmin, a post-op woman who became the love of his life, ten years together, and now UK laws permitting married for over a year.

Jasmin is a best friend of mine too ....

But ask Brian about why he "dressed" all those years ago, why he wanted or needed a TS partner, forming our relationship, and ultimately the relationship with his wife, its a closed book .... even after five pints of strong beer I can't get him to reveal his deepest feelings and motivations !

Laura x

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RebeccaFog

TS Admirers - What makes 'em tick?

If you hear them ticking, you should submerge them in some water.
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Rachael

i agree, if it ticks, call the bomb squad... (or pest control :police:)
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Tgirly

I find it interesting the use of the word ->-bleeped-<-s, I would call them stalkers lol... That sounds more fitting cause the way yall put it, it sounds like they don't give up... or are very presistent to say the least.
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RebeccaFog


A couple of days ago I was kind of bored, so I pushed a marble into my ear and I was listening to it roll around in my head and then I had a thought - What if TS admirers are another form of sexual preference? Gay, straight, TS, genderqueer?

TS ->-bleeped-<-s are attracted to those who completed transition and genderqueer ->-bleeped-<-s are attracted to those in mid transition or who are intentionally non-binary?

Food for thought. Don't get any on your blouse.
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kimmie

#48
      Think god for Admirers I am pre-op,and go out alot. I love it win men wont me.
I am dateing more than one men,and thay all like diffront thing about me

       Kimberly
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Elwood

->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-s?

I really don't quite understand them. I just love people in general... although some situations could be hard (like my girlfriend having more dick than me might be an issue)...
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Pica Pica

Quote from: Elwood on July 20, 2008, 12:38:52 PM
I just love people in general... although some situations could be hard (like my girlfriend having more dick than me might be an issue)...

;D aint the variety of human life great?
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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Hypatia

Alice, you dress sharp. All your pictures show that, especially the latest one. You obviously have an inherent gift for style. And to think you were holding back all that time! Shame to keep all that style bottled up!
Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls
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mickie88

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Quote from: togetherwecan on May 31, 2007, 02:48:50 PM
Maybe we should define just what this *->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-* person is...

I am in love with a transsexual, I did not know in advance that she was a transsexual, my desire for her is the same as before I knew. Would I be with another transsexual in the future? Who knows. It wouldn't be like I was specifically looking for one. People are people, right?
Can a person desire another person with honest intent and feeling without it being labeled as something else?


sometimes not, together, i personally don't like ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-s, so far all i have encountered are the ones who only want sex. and they have all been bio male. if the trans person wants a TC, then they can have them, but i personally don't care to know what makes them tick. i'm a woman, and deserved to be treated as such even when it comes to relationships and sex. i'm not some kind of in between sex-object that they can play with and throw away when they get bored. i have a female partner and i hope she always stays that way, but if not i know i have other gender options, but so far, bio male has NOT been one of them. now an ftm is a different story, and he'd be better than any bio male or ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<- if you ask me, but that's my opinion.




Warrior Princess Mickie
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vanna

Ive found most admirers quite charming to be honest, im not wholey sure on some of the motivation behind alot of them but i joined a dating site a little while ago in an attempt to break my lonlieness. I stated very honestly in my advert that im a transsexual woman ect ect blah blah and the repsonse has been overwhelming with over 20 mails a week.

Maybe theres alot of admirers in my area i really dont know but apart from the usual sex that most want or hey ive never dated a she-boy comments a few have turned out to be quite the gentlemen.

Ive currently got a self-help writer trying to court me, maybe he feel's he can somehow help me too i dont know but my experience has been so far with a couple of small issues a very positive response and helped me feel a bit better about myself.
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Elwood

Quote from: togetherwecan on May 31, 2007, 02:48:50 PMMaybe we should define just what this *->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-* person is...

I am in love with a transsexual, I did not know in advance that she was a transsexual, my desire for her is the same as before I knew. Would I be with another transsexual in the future? Who knows. It wouldn't be like I was specifically looking for one. People are people, right?
Can a person desire another person with honest intent and feeling without it being labeled as something else?
I don't think you're a ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-. You love her as a woman, not because she's a transsexual.

You'd be a ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<- if you thought it was hot that she was "half man half woman" or something. ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-s are the weirdos that call guys like me "men with pussies" and want to pretty much abuse us.

I know that some people who specifically like transsexuals aren't like that, but to gear specifically for a transsexual is worrisome. I'd think it's more practical to love men and women, be them cismen/women or transmen/women. I don't want someone to date me because I don't have a penis.
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cindianna_jones

Quote from: vanna on July 21, 2008, 05:05:36 PM
Ive found most admirers quite charming to be honest, im not wholey sure on some of the motivation behind alot of them but i joined a dating site a little while ago in an attempt to break my lonlieness. I stated very honestly in my advert that im a transsexual woman ect ect blah blah and the repsonse has been overwhelming with over 20 mails a week.


Vanna,

I too have found the same experience. While I have not dated TC's, I did meet a number of them in my early days in southernCA.  They were very nice.  Unfortunately, I was not very nice to them.  I gave them a clear and undeniable signal that I was not interested in any sort of relationship.  I never considered that one of them might end up being a good friend.  As I have matured, I'm more open to anyone as far as friendship goes.

Cindi
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vanna

Hi Cindy
(why are Cindy's always so nice :)

Yes i can relate to what your saying, i think its easy to feel that you haveto put some of your own personal hurt onto someone showing an interest in you without realising. Ive so far kept them all at arms length but im glad ive done what ive done as some really nice friendships are beginning to build up. My only worry is that is some of them think they have no chance of sex with they will move off and the friendship was just a type of male facade to get me in bed.

Only time will tell i guess and i hope im not just being paranoid.
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Lisbeth

It seems to me that you can spill a lot of ink (uh... electrons?) speculating on what makes admirers tick.  But nothing is quite as effective as asking a few of them.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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Kate

Do "admirers" only pursue pre-ops? Or are there admirers of post-ops too?

I guess I'm wondering... is it the *physical* contrast (female appearance, but with male genitalia) that's the attraction? Or is it just knowing that the girl was born male?

Would a passable post-op have "TS admirers?"

~Kate~
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lacitychick21

Quote from: Kate on July 23, 2008, 08:25:23 AM
Do "admirers" only pursue pre-ops? Or are there admirers of post-ops too?

I guess I'm wondering... is it the *physical* contrast (female appearance, but with male genitalia) that's the attraction? Or is it just knowing that the girl was born male?

Would a passable post-op have "TS admirers?"

~Kate~

Most of the "admirerers" I know gasp at the thought of a pre-op trans girl going post. Most take on a "then I might as well date a GG" sort of attitude. I'm sure there are exceptions.

So, I conclude it's phsyical... makes sense right? But then they vehemently deny being anything other than straight?!

uhmmmkay... what ever helps you sleep at night.  :eusa_shifty:

I just don't get it...
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