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KabitTarah

Quote from: kathyk on October 17, 2013, 09:18:17 AM
So sorry Eva.  I totally sympathize with you since my therapist always says to be ready for the worst, even if it never comes along.  And yet I know I'll never be prepared if it happens.   

I love my therapist, but he's very naturally oriented and likes to avoid medications if possible... he suggested an orchiectomy when I told him I wanted to start with ~6 months of AAs then move to E!! They may be very caring and supportive; they may be quite knowledgable, but the medical side of our transition they mostly learn from us (and their other patients).
~ Tarah ~

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Constance

Quote from: Eva Marie on October 17, 2013, 02:14:11 AM
Well, crap. I found out tonight that my wife wants to separate and I know that's going to be the first step toward a divorce  :'(

Finding out that you are transsexual later in life sucks.
{{{{{HUGS}}}}}

Carlita

Quote from: Janae on October 17, 2013, 12:37:25 AM
Thanks for the reply Kathy.

I think you summed up what I wanted to know, and I liked your response the best. I was thinking it had to be some generational factors at play and you just confirmed this. Being younger and growing up in the 80's 90's to early 2000's things were a lot different for me and girls my age. My first experience of transwomen was from shows like Jerry Springer, Jenny Jones and Ricki Lake. Even though they are all bad examples of transwomen, they were my only reference point. I started wearing girls clothes at 14. By the time I was 16 I was going out as a girl regularly with friends. Early on I used to go out with my mom as a girl and she was in shock that people couldn't tell. I naturally don't have strong male features so I passed the majority of the time. Even at 30 I look pretty much they same as I did as a teen and in my 20's.

I always knew I wanted to change I just wasn't aware of how. Puberty didn't help my efforts and was a major reason for my delay. One day I very fortunate run in with a trans girl in high school. She was cute and passable and my age we did everything together. This was only in 1999. She had the life I wanted. She was living as a girl, going to school and dating as a girl seamlessly. She helped me to realize that there was a way to change. I also got to know a lot of girls in their teens, 20's and 30's who were already living as women in my city, which only made me want to transition even more. In my city growing up it was nothing to be out at the clubs or over at a friends or just out and see young transgirls everywhere. Most of us grew up together so everyone knew everyone.

Most of us didn't have the same pressures & obstacles, So it was a lot easier transitioning in the past 20yrs compared to earlier times. After reading your post in a way I better understand the paths older transwomen felt they had to take before realizing their true selves. Thanks again for your post.


Thanks for telling your story, Janae. It really highlights that there's another issue to take into account in all this, and that's the way that a particular individual experiences their dysphoria/transsexuality. From what you say, you were more comfortable and natural presenting as a girl from your early teens, so I'm guessing you never really lived as an adult man. So from your perspective, transition was essentially seamless with how you were anyway. Not to diminish your experience or the difficulty of transition for anyone, of course, but from high school onwards you were on that path ... and in many ways I envy that.

You see, for me, and a lot of late-transitioners, the experience is less clear cut. There's a therapist called Dr Anne Vitale who's written some very interesting stuff about this. She's a strong believer in the idea that transsexuality arises from a pre-natal issue in which the brains of male babies don't receive any, or enough of the hormones required to masculinise them. So they stay totally or partially female. She therefore divides transsexuals into three groups, as follows ...


Group One (G1) is best described as those natal males who have a high degree of cross-sexed gender identity. In these individuals, we can hypothesize that the prenatal androgenization process--if there was any at all--was minimal, leaving the default female identity intact. Furthermore, the expression of female identity of those individuals appears impossible or very difficult for them to conceal.

Group Two (G2) is composed of natal females [I've cut the rest of this since it's not relevant to us here]

Group Three (G3) is composed of natal males who identify as female but who act and appear normally male. We can hypothesize that prenatal androgenization was sufficient to allow these individuals to appear and act normally as males but insufficient to establish a firm male gender identity. For these female-identified males, the result is a more complicated and insidious sex/gender discontinuity. Typically, from earliest childhood these individuals suffer increasingly painful and chronic gender dysphoria. They tend to live secretive lives, often making increasingly stronger attempts to convince themselves and others that they are male.


Here's the link to the full piece: http://www.avitale.com/developmentalreview.htm

Anyway, I very much belong to Group 3. So I suspect my whole life has been much more ambiguous than yours, because although I had an incredibly strong pull towards the female side of life, I was able to function satisfactorily - at least so far as the outside world was concerned - as a man. So I did what guys are supposed to do and became a husband and father. And I don't regret that, because I love my wife and my kids.

But damn it's made things complicated. And now, many years on, it's causing a tremendous amount of pain to everyone.
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KabitTarah

Quote from: Carlita on October 17, 2013, 12:43:26 PM
Group Three (G3) is composed of natal males who identify as female but who act and appear normally male. We can hypothesize that prenatal androgenization was sufficient to allow these individuals to appear and act normally as males but insufficient to establish a firm male gender identity. For these female-identified males, the result is a more complicated and insidious sex/gender discontinuity. Typically, from earliest childhood these individuals suffer increasingly painful and chronic gender dysphoria. They tend to live secretive lives, often making increasingly stronger attempts to convince themselves and others that they are male.


Here's the link to the full piece: http://www.avitale.com/developmentalreview.htm

Anyway, I very much belong to Group 3. So I suspect my whole life has been much more ambiguous than yours, because although I had an incredibly strong pull towards the female side of life, I was able to function satisfactorily - at least so far as the outside world was concerned - as a man. So I did what guys are supposed to do and became a husband and father. And I don't regret that, because I love my wife and my kids.

But damn it's made things complicated. And now, many years on, it's causing a tremendous amount of pain to everyone.

Yes. I can't say if the science is true, but G3 describes me to a T. Also, the problem was worst during puberty, dropped (and/or I found ways to cope) and eventually rose to boil over again.
~ Tarah ~

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Janae

Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on October 17, 2013, 02:31:11 AM
Truly, Katy wrote a wonderful post and after reading that sentence about "falling in love" there were tears in my eyes :).
Janae, You nailed it down very precisely. A couple days ago I was here in the chat room and there was another girl - my guess would be she was in her early 20-ties. So I was exchanging remarks with another girl and that old statement about "living two lives" came up at some point of time. And I realised that this young girl totally could not get it - really, she was aware of herself from early age, she was probably encouraged and supported by her parents and eveni f the life as such was not all rosy and pink, but she did not get to experience the male part of life. I felt very jealous for her, and yet I also did not – but I also felt that we were very different personality-wise.  Perhaps , she is much more feminine than I am – than I could ever be. Perhaps, i am simly getting older and grumpier and jealous of youngsters.
I wish, I could have transitioned when I was teen or in my twenties, but the life was totally different on the other side of iron curtain and even now I hardly know a couple of transgender people here, and most of them are not very open.

Thanks Emily,

I think in most of our situations we have experience with "living two lives", obviously some more than others. I feel happy for anyone who's family provided a safe environment to be free to transition young. I think it's great for any transwomen to experience women-hood at a young age. Because let's face it once those teens & 20's are gone they're gone for good. It was torture being 16-17 in middle/high school and seeing girls my age going to school, prom, etc as girls. When I first started going to therapy @ 29 I remember telling my therapist how bad I felt for waisting so much time. It still bothers me even @ 30. I'm just happy that I "Woke up from the matrix" and had the courage to get started while I'm still able to enjoy being young. My biggest issue was knowing what I wanted to do since I was 11-12 but feeling as if I need permission to be "Me". It's not easy especially being so young and not having a blueprint to follow. I now get excited whenever I see these young trans kids on tv with full family support.


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Janae

Quote from: Carlita on October 17, 2013, 12:43:26 PM

Thanks for telling your story, Janae. It really highlights that there's another issue to take into account in all this, and that's the way that a particular individual experiences their dysphoria/transsexuality. From what you say, you were more comfortable and natural presenting as a girl from your early teens, so I'm guessing you never really lived as an adult man. So from your perspective, transition was essentially seamless with how you were anyway. Not to diminish your experience or the difficulty of transition for anyone, of course, but from high school onwards you were on that path ... and in many ways I envy that.

You see, for me, and a lot of late-transitioners, the experience is less clear cut.

But damn it's made things complicated. And now, many years on, it's causing a tremendous amount of pain to everyone.

You are very welcome Carlita

I was VERY comfortable presenting as a girl in my teens. Once I noticed my mother didn't care I turned up the volume. She actually responded in a way that still makes me laugh to this day. I've always had this "I don't care lets do it" personality, I just thought why not? Once I noticed I was pretty passable it was like a high going to the mall or just out period as a girl. One day I was feeling pretty courageous and I went to school as a girl just on a whim. I created pandemonium once classmates noticed who I was. It was like being a celebrity with all the great attention I got, even though the administration had me sit in a substitute room all day for fear of my safety (They ruined all the fun).  For a while this was all I needed to numb the dysphoria. But the older I got it just seemed to not be enough. I got tired of just being Janae for the night or afternoon. When I took everything off it was like Cinderella at 12 am. The back and forth just became frustrating. It took me 29 yrs to get to the point where I felt I had to either do this now or waste more yrs wishing I had. So you see I have lived life as a man and I still do to this day, But maybe in a entirely different way. I was never married, never had a girlfriend, no kids etc. I'm currently saving for surgeries, hair removal, etc so I can finally go full time and get on with life. And even though I was "On the path" I never got to my destination. Trust me my experience was nothing to envy.

And yes the wasted yrs and complications do cause us lots of pain....And Money!!!


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Carlita

Quote from: Janae on October 18, 2013, 02:18:24 AM
One day I was feeling pretty courageous and I went to school as a girl just on a whim. I created pandemonium once classmates noticed who I was. It was like being a celebrity with all the great attention I got, even though the administration had me sit in a substitute room all day for fear of my safety (They ruined all the fun).  For a while this was all I needed to numb the dysphoria. But the older I got it just seemed to not be enough. I got tired of just being Janae for the night or afternoon. When I took everything off it was like Cinderella at 12 am. The back and forth just became frustrating.

I really relate to this. In my late teens I started wearing a lot of make-up - it was the seventies/early 80s: you could just say you were being glam, or punk, or new romantic ... from Bowie to Boy George there were 10 years when (some) boys painted their faces. It got to the stage where I was looking very androgynous, sometimes being mistaken for a girl (loved that!) and then going to parties as a girl.

I felt like Cinderella at the ball - so free, so happy,so completely at ease in myself. And, like you, I had the same comedown - like Cinders realising her gown is now rags and her coach has turned back into a pumpkin - when I realised that I still had a male body under the pretty dress, and I found that incredibly frustrating and depressing. So I buried that side of me, too ...

... guess we have more in common that I thought!  :)
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Eva Marie

Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on October 17, 2013, 02:33:53 AM
I am really sorry to hear that Eva. Maybe she just needs a break and private space to breathe..., only time can show that. Meanwhile, I wish You courage, strength, patience and serenity... Hugs!

Quote from: kathyk on October 17, 2013, 09:18:17 AM
So sorry Eva.  I totally sympathize with you since my therapist always says to be ready for the worst, even if it never comes along.  And yet I know I'll never be prepared if it happens.   

Quote from: Constance on October 17, 2013, 10:32:42 AM
{{{{{HUGS}}}}}

I love ya'll!! Thanks for the support, it's really needed/appreciated right now  :)

Quote from: Carlita on October 17, 2013, 12:43:26 PM
You see, for me, and a lot of late-transitioners, the experience is less clear cut. There's a therapist called Dr Anne Vitale who's written some very interesting stuff about this. She's a strong believer in the idea that transsexuality arises from a pre-natal issue in which the brains of male babies don't receive any, or enough of the hormones required to masculinise them. So they stay totally or partially female. She therefore divides transsexuals into three groups, as follows ...

Group Three (G3) is composed of natal males who identify as female but who act and appear normally male. We can hypothesize that prenatal androgenization was sufficient to allow these individuals to appear and act normally as males but insufficient to establish a firm male gender identity. For these female-identified males, the result is a more complicated and insidious sex/gender discontinuity. Typically, from earliest childhood these individuals suffer increasingly painful and chronic gender dysphoria. They tend to live secretive lives, often making increasingly stronger attempts to convince themselves and others that they are male.
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Here's the link to the full piece: http://www.avitale.com/developmentalreview.htm

Anyway, I very much belong to Group 3. So I suspect my whole life has been much more ambiguous than yours, because although I had an incredibly strong pull towards the female side of life, I was able to function satisfactorily - at least so far as the outside world was concerned - as a man. So I did what guys are supposed to do and became a husband and father. And I don't regret that, because I love my wife and my kids.

But damn it's made things complicated. And now, many years on, it's causing a tremendous amount of pain to everyone.

I am also a G3 late transitioner and I did the wife/kids/career thing too. It really didn't start hitting me until I was in my early 40s. And yes, it is  **^%$#@ complicated  :-\

My wife now seems to vacillate between anger and remorse. She blamed me being trans on my very nutty mother and the crap I went through growing up. She is right - my mom is to blame but not in the way my wife believes; it has nothing to do with the way I was raised and everything to do with what happened to me in utero as Dr Anne Vitale postulates. I have also heard the exact same theory from my therapist.

As I read that article it I had a lot of "yep!" moments. In remorse mode my wife apologized to me and said that she didn't understand what it was like for me, so I sent her the link to that article. I think it will help her a lot to understand - thanks for posting it Carlita  8)
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Carlita

Quote from: Eva Marie on October 18, 2013, 07:56:15 AM
I am also a G3 late transitioner and I did the wife/kids/career thing too. It really didn't start hitting me until I was in my early 40s. And yes, it is  **^%$#@ complicated  :-\

My wife now seems to vacillate between anger and remorse. She blamed me being trans on my very nutty mother and the crap I went through growing up. She is right - my mom is to blame but not in the way my wife believes; it has nothing to do with the way I was raised and everything to do with what happened to me in utero as Dr Anne Vitale postulates. I have also heard the exact same theory from my therapist.

As I read that article it I had a lot of "yep!" moments. In remorse mode my wife apologized to me and said that she didn't understand what it was like for me, so I sent her the link to that article. I think it will help her a lot to understand - thanks for posting it Carlita  8)

In that case - and I speak as another late-transitioner dealing with a very troubled wife - I'm very glad the article was helpful to you, and to your wife. I know that when I read it I had the sensation of seeing my life-experience described with an uncanny accuracy ... and I knew, at last, what or maybe who I really was.
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KabitTarah

I do wonder about the speculation about in utero differences. One would think that there would be as many female assigned people who are weak in the male spectrum as male assigned people weak in the female spectrum (her G3). That either means there is a G4 that is not supported by her research or G3 is primarily societal, not physiological.

The societal difference from male privilege (see a different thread ;)) would support a societal G3 rather than a physiological G4. In other words... men try to resist any transgender tendencies because society sees being female as negative.
~ Tarah ~

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Emmaline

My wife flipped out when I first told her but, then came around to liking the idea very quickly.  She still wont tell her family though... which is a worry.  I am not convinced she can accept being labelled a lesbian or bisexual.

To be honest I am bracing myself for the fallout ever since.  Alert... but not alarmed.  As I recover from my depression I will do my best to set aside some savings in case things go south.


Body... meet brain.  Now follow her lead and there will be no more trouble, you dig?



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Eva Marie

Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on October 18, 2013, 08:33:18 AM
Same story here... I almost want to cry how typical it is... :( My mother is not nutty, but well she and my ex dont really like each other, so my ex blames everything on my upbringing and lack of father as a strong gender identity role model.

I had a weak father. I saw my mom run him over many, many times and he rarely stood up for me. She wore the pants in the family.
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Nero

Quote from: Carlita on October 17, 2013, 12:43:26 PM

You see, for me, and a lot of late-transitioners, the experience is less clear cut. There's a therapist called Dr Anne Vitale who's written some very interesting stuff about this. She's a strong believer in the idea that transsexuality arises from a pre-natal issue in which the brains of male babies don't receive any, or enough of the hormones required to masculinise them. So they stay totally or partially female. She therefore divides transsexuals into three groups, as follows ...


Group One (G1) is best described as those natal males who have a high degree of cross-sexed gender identity. In these individuals, we can hypothesize that the prenatal androgenization process--if there was any at all--was minimal, leaving the default female identity intact. Furthermore, the expression of female identity of those individuals appears impossible or very difficult for them to conceal.

Group Two (G2) is composed of natal females [I've cut the rest of this since it's not relevant to us here]

Group Three (G3) is composed of natal males who identify as female but who act and appear normally male. We can hypothesize that prenatal androgenization was sufficient to allow these individuals to appear and act normally as males but insufficient to establish a firm male gender identity. For these female-identified males, the result is a more complicated and insidious sex/gender discontinuity. Typically, from earliest childhood these individuals suffer increasingly painful and chronic gender dysphoria. They tend to live secretive lives, often making increasingly stronger attempts to convince themselves and others that they are male.


Here's the link to the full piece: http://www.avitale.com/developmentalreview.htm

Anyway, I very much belong to Group 3. So I suspect my whole life has been much more ambiguous than yours, because although I had an incredibly strong pull towards the female side of life, I was able to function satisfactorily - at least so far as the outside world was concerned - as a man. So I did what guys are supposed to do and became a husband and father. And I don't regret that, because I love my wife and my kids.

But damn it's made things complicated. And now, many years on, it's causing a tremendous amount of pain to everyone.

I think a possible factor in the G1 to G3 disparity is simply sexual orientation. Trans people attracted to the opposite sex (same gender) have more reinforcement to believe they're just a normal male/female with some eccentricities. While orientation and gender identity are said to be distinct, orientation is a huge factor in identity development.

Being into girls would also encourage a male bodied person to take on a more masculine role whether it suited their own inclinations or not. So much of gender roles are based on sex.  Sex is probably the most powerful drive on earth. If you want to attract girls, you're probably not going to play up your girly factor. A young trans girl into guys wouldn't have this disparity to deal with.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Sammy

Quote from: Eva Marie on October 18, 2013, 08:51:17 AM
I had a weak father. I saw my mom run him over many, many times and he rarely stood up for me. She wore the pants in the family.

Well, all male role models which I picked for myself, when I decided that somehow I have to get on with my life were much more masculine than my father ever was or could ever hope to be. If that did not do the trick, then having him around in person would not have changed anything in the long term, unfortunately.
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KabitTarah

Quote from: FA on October 18, 2013, 09:27:29 AM
I think a possible factor in the G1 to G3 disparity is simply sexual orientation. Trans people attracted to the opposite sex (same gender) have more reinforcement to believe they're just a normal male/female with some eccentricities. While orientation and gender identity are said to be distinct, orientation is a huge factor in identity development.

Being into girls would also encourage a male bodied person to take on a more masculine role whether it suited their own inclinations or not. So much of gender roles are based on sex.  Sex is probably the most powerful drive on earth. If you want to attract girls, you're probably not going to play up your girly factor. A young trans girl into guys wouldn't have this disparity to deal with.

I don't agree. I think orientation can play a role, but I think there are many, many other aspects of suppression. In my own history, I recall having mostly girls as friends (I'm talking under 1st grade here). I also remember one saying she wanted to marry me... and (I think) it felt weird... not bad, but weird. My suppression of my gender identity was primarily because of bullies in the neighborhood and school, and from loose gender roles at home (which, I think, added to my confusion).

Fast forward, and I'm hetero as assigned at birth and just starting to transition... and I'm also starting to question my sexuality. It's not very serious - because sexuality is not very important in my life right now - but I think I was into women more because I wanted to be one. I may be bisexual, but I really don't think I'm on the straight & narrow hetero --> lesbian path. As the article describes, us G3 people often date and marry women to be closer to women theraputically. All my closest friends (when I had close friends) were always women. It's very easy to think you like women better when you like to look at them and imagine being them.

The article hits very close to home as written. There are only a few things that I deviated from. I did cross dress, but did not carry that out of adolescence - other than one time that didn't last long. I was strictly a personal-fantasy sort of closted trans woman. Virtual cross dressing, if you will.
~ Tarah ~

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Nero

Quote from: kabit on October 18, 2013, 09:54:58 AM
I don't agree. I think orientation can play a role, but I think there are many, many other aspects of suppression.

Well, obviously every case is different. I wasn't saying it was the only factor but I think it could be a big one in a lot of cases.

QuoteIt's not very serious - because sexuality is not very important in my life right now - but I think I was into women more because I wanted to be one. I may be bisexual, but I really don't think I'm on the straight & narrow hetero --> lesbian path. As the article describes, us G3 people often date and marry women to be closer to women theraputically. All my closest friends (when I had close friends) were always women. It's very easy to think you like women better when you like to look at them and imagine being them.

That seems to be common in a lot of cases - of confusing attraction for admiration. But I don't think the motivation really changes the outcome - a male bodied kid wanting romantic attention from girls is still going to be less likely to display characteristics that turn off the majority of the female population.

Every case is different of course, I'm just saying there would be greater motivation for a trans girl attracted to girls (despite the reason for it (which she likely wouldn't have been able to articulate at the time) to 'play the man' than the other way around. And possibly also be less likely to recognize the trans inclination (because after all, she's a male born person into T&A. what could be more 'normal' than that?). It's more of a leap to make than if she was already outside the norm for liking guys. (this isn't to say always-straight-trans girls had it easier either). And possibly less motivation to want to risk things once she does realize it.

Again, obviously everyone's individual case is different. And of course there are lesbian trans girls who transitioned early (though this seems much more common among the younger set).
But I think orientation is probably at least as good a theory than as G3 simply having more prenatal androgenization. Though more androgenization could possibly be a case for the 'heterosexual' orientation developing in the first place.
Anyway, at least in those born to older generations, more of the later transitoners seem oriented towards women and the earlier ones toward men. I think this is more than just a coincidence.



Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Sammy

I am actually with kabit in this too... too many coincidences, huh? :) My first sexual fantasies were about men, but I was always female-bodied in them. I just could not do that with a guy while having male body... yuck. Puberty and hormones actually played a big role my further development, as my disgust towards guys turned into attraction or admiration towards girls, yet at first I wanted them as friends, not lovers (not having sex - any type of it -  till I turned 23 is pretty much self-evident). Now, after I had started the HRT, there is a total mess in my head and I am not sure about my attractions anymore. My admiration/attraction towards women seem to dwindle as my body gains female features, and as I loose my strength, I feel excited in the presence of males - as well as totally frightened and confused by my feelings at the same time. I hope, this will get clearer with time, if not - I will spend the remainder of my life asexual again...
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KabitTarah

Quote from: FA on October 18, 2013, 10:43:45 AM
Anyway, at least in those born to older generations, more of the later transitoners seem oriented towards women and the earlier ones toward men. I think this is more than just a coincidence.

It's not coincidence! For a looong time a man had to be gay to transition. In fact - and this is probably the 90s - I was given a book by my parents (yeah... I came out to them - not well, but I did it) that said all transsexuals were gay. I remember telling them I had to be bi, then, but they didn't buy it. That was probably the final straw that sent me into hiding and suppression

IMO, G3 is social and relates directly to how well the kid can suppress it and build up a gender identity wall.

Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on October 18, 2013, 11:44:05 AM
I am actually with kabit in this too... too many coincidences, huh? :) My first sexual fantasies were about men, but I was always female-bodied in them. I just could not do that with a guy while having male body... yuck. Puberty and hormones actually played a big role my further development, as my disgust towards guys turned into attraction or admiration towards girls, yet at first I wanted them as friends, not lovers (not having sex - any type of it -  till I turned 23 is pretty much self-evident). Now, after I had started the HRT, there is a total mess in my head and I am not sure about my attractions anymore. My admiration/attraction towards women seem to dwindle as my body gains female features, and as I loose my strength, I feel excited in the presence of males - as well as totally frightened and confused by my feelings at the same time. I hope, this will get clearer with time, if not - I will spend the remainder of my life asexual again...

Puberty was a big problem for me. If my parents had believed it or if I had pressed the issue I'd have gone to therapy... god knows how that would have turned out (given the 90s and transsexuality [sic]).

I was sexual only with my wife (ever - aside from the first couple of "bases")... and even then I imagined us as reversed most times. I won't go into too many details (oh... I'm great at giving out TMI), but together we found positions we liked best that really supported that fantasy of mine. I thought it was just a fantasy at the time - but we're back to G3 there. And dysphoria? Absolutely worst when trying to conceive or when she was pregnant!
~ Tarah ~

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Sammy

Quote from: kabit on October 18, 2013, 12:00:21 PM
I was sexual only with my wife (ever - aside from the first couple of "bases")... and even then I imagined us as reversed most times. I won't go into too many details (oh... I'm great at giving out TMI), but together we found positions we liked best that really supported that fantasy of mine.

Oh, no need to give out TMI - I totally get what You mean and which were those positions... ;). I did not pay much attention back then - but I do remember that it felt kinda right. Yet, because of Your post, another piece of puzzle just clicked into its place :)

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KabitTarah

Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on October 18, 2013, 12:12:41 PM
Oh, no need to give out TMI - I totally get what You mean and which were those positions... ;). I did not pay much attention back then - but I do remember that it felt kinda right. Yet, because of Your post, another piece of puzzle just clicked into its place :)

Ahhhhk... now I'm wondering what positions you're imagining me in :p (LOL... kidding... sort of.) There needs to be a special TMI forum. Or is that what your $10/mo goes for? (I don't mind telling - PM me if you really want ;)) I almost got in trouble for asking a serious question about early life "techniques."

yep... I'm far too open now that I'm out!

.....
re: the rest of your post,
That's the best part of (early?) transition. I started this realizing that I was transgender, but I was seeing so many stories that were so different from mine... then I started realizing that, not only were there more stories out there, but remembering my hidden past made even the original stories similar in many ways.

The self doubt goes away fast... at least it did for me.
~ Tarah ~

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