Pre-Op transsexuals Are Still Male . . .

[Chynna]

Melissa:
yes, men(some)  do have breasts and curves, not the ones you might want but horrifyinly so. I have seen guys at the beach  that people felt like asking them to please wear a bikini top or a bra, but do something the kids are staring...
  I don't know...but i did see it, sheila

Come to think of it ditto!! I remember seeing quiet a few men with female shapes and or chest like a womans down in AC and Rehobeth Beach.
however most of the men with breast didn't actually have real breast they were crafted from years of eating hot dogs, hamburgers, snacks etc........LOL

Chynna

[LostInTime]

Sorry to hear that AC is still about the same, LOL.

[Nero]

Melissa:
yes, men(some)  do have breasts and curves, not the ones you might want but horrifyinly so. I have seen guys at the beach  that people felt like asking them to please wear a bikini top or a bra, but do something the kids are staring...
  I don't know...but i did see it, sheila

Reminds me of a guy I knew in high school, a little chubby guy with female hips and behind. He also had a pretty high voice. The more weight he put on, the bigger his hips and behind got, just like a girl's. I gave that boy hell.

Nero

[sheila18]

-Are you on a HRT program wich one"
-yes, hotdogs and Phillie cheese burgers, mostly fries and burgers
-oh, who is your doctor?
- I got the best Wendy McDonals next to TGI Friday's 

sheila 

[Chynna]

-Are you on a HRT program wich one"
-yes, hotdogs and Phillie cheese burgers, mostly fries and burgers
-oh, who is your doctor?
- I got the best Wendy McDonals next to TGI Friday's 

sheila 

LMAO LITTERALLY

MC Hormones! guaranteed results transition in just weeks!

Chica I literally spit my water all over my keyboard when I read your post...
Now I have to explain that to IT!

Chynna

[sheila18]

chynna:
I give up, Ive looked all over and I can't find IT.
am embarrased, but i gotta ask ...   What is IT?     uurrgghhh
sheila

[Chynna]

chynna:
I give up, Ive looked all over and I can't find IT.
am embarrased, but i gotta ask ...   What is IT?     uurrgghhh
sheila

LOL Sorry Tech talk IT= Information Technology (services) Helpdesk baby! I need a new keyyyybooarrd because of you!! LOL

[sheila18]

chynna:
OH    I thought it was something like cindianna's Squirrel or Tinkerbel's green duck ...I thought
sheila18

[Chynna]

chynna:
  well am still a male that can be a man,

HEY even the best of us......have our days!!!! Mines tuesdays what about you!

[sheila18]

chynna:
mmmh, mondays and tuesdays have been
, sheila18

[sheila18]

Well, you'd be surprised to know how many people within the transgender community think this way . 
  It sadens me deeply to realize that some members of my own community can be that blind and ignorant. 

tinkerbell

Tinker:
I am not sure and do not want to assume. so is your post a response to another topic or what in particular? I think i miss that.
  If it is about the previous entry to your post that would make it a response to my post of July 11 ... Did I ofended you, If I did am sorry because you would be on of the last persons I would even imagine to hurt, Please accept my appologies if I did, however I must say that perhaps I was misunderstood. 
  I feel female some days and male other
this is not a result of an internal argumentt or philosophical concept.
This is how I was born.
I used to fight it for years i used to feel ashemed and like i ewas bettraying myself for feeling masculine. I wanted so hard to be purely 100% unadulterated femenine female.  That is not who I am.
  I am not preaching and saying that everibody is really like me, that is not what i am saying.
There ARE SOME TRANSEXUALS TO THE CHAGRIN OF SOME THAT HAPEN TO EXPERIENCE  IN A HOT BLOODED WAY BOTH SEXES.
  You are correct when you say "I just can't conceive the idea that some of the people who have shared the same type of insecurities, experiences and bigotry from society in general can give themselves the luxury to label other transsexuals simply because ..."
I was not labeling any one just putting out there my life experience.
If your comment was refering to my post, please believe that am sorry that you feel hurt, if not please disregard my words.
Sheila18

[tinkerbell]

Well, you'd be surprised to know how many people within the transgender community think this way . 
  It sadens me deeply to realize that some members of my own community can be that blind and ignorant. 

tinkerbell

Tinker:
I am not sure and do not want to assume. so is your post a response to another post or what in particular?
  If it is about the previous entry to your post that would make it a response to my post of July 11 ... Did I ofended you, If I did am sorry because you would be on of the last persons I would even imagine to hurt, Please accept my appologies if I did, however I must say that perhaps I was misunderstood. 
  I feel female some days and male other
this is not a result of an internal argumentt or philosophical concept.
This is how I was born.
I used to fight it for years i used to feel ashemed and like i ewas bettraying myself for feeling masculine. I wanted so hard to be purely 100% unadulterated femenine female.  That is not who I am.
  I am not preaching and saying that everibody is really like me, that is not what i am saying.
There ARE SOME TRANSEXUALS TO THE CHAGRIN OF SOME THAT HAPEN TO EXPERIENCE  IN A HOT BLOODED WAY BOTH SEXES.
  You are correct when you say "I just can't conceive the idea that some of the people who have shared the same type of insecurities, experiences and bigotry from society in general can give themselves the luxury to label other transsexuals simply because ..."
I was not labeling any one just putting out there my life experience.
If your comment was refering to my post, please believe that am sorry that you feel hurt, if not please disregard my words.
Sheila18

You?  offended me?  of course not sweetie!  I was just responding to this thread because there are many TS out there to claim they know the difference between sex and gender, and the truth is something totally different.  Girls have never offended me, ever...but men...well that is a different story which I will tell you some other time.  So no, you could never offend me because you are a girl and also my friend.

love ya,

tinkerbell

[sheila18]

tinker:
am so glad to hear that, I was feeling like I had just boken the last Ming dinasty vase ...what a relief girl
love you, no matter what, sheial18

[Cin]

Hi Girls

Not to certain what the topic is here, the difference between sex and gender?

I would think that gender is what you feel inside and sex in that biological part of the body that makes a boy or a girl. Call it abnormal or whatever I was never attracted sexually to neither male or female and I could appraise guys just as well as girls for looks.

I was married for six years and what a mess that was. The only reason I got married was because she had child and I wanted to have a family, especially with kids, I love children. There never was realy any sexual attraction to my ex. Seems I indulged sexually only enough to make two kids and this was what deteriorated our marriage, that and she was mentally and physically abusive, a psychotic drunk. When that marriage ended I was somewhat left traumatise from that experience and I seeked out help, Remember I am 5' 3" tall and all of 120 lbs gained five pounds in the past year. 

Anyway it was on Susan's chat six years ago that I met another Tgirl and we got to know each other and there was an attraction but not for sex. I finally sponsored her to come live in Ontario Canada and we got married five years ago and two years later I got SRS. That didn't make any difference, I guess I am just not sexually active and my mate feels the same way and we do love, care and support each other and this is all we need to have for a balanced life. But it is darn good to finally be me. I am who I am.

Cin   

[sheila18]

Cin:
thank you for your piece of experience. It seems like you are right on topic.
agree on all counts.
Sheila18

[Cin]

Hi Sheila hun, thank you much

For many years I was an alien lost on an alien world in more ways then one. Some I still keep hidden in the closet because most of society are not ready yet to accept and they would not understand it.  But who I am, I have no doubt in my heart. I have found the light to lead me back to complete my journey. I have found my true innerself and the mission must continue and some paths I will have to travel alone.

Cin

[sheila18]

cin:
strong words from a strong soul, kwel    It seems to me that time is a necessary element to find joy and peace in our transgendered journey, we finally accepted it, can we find the most effective way to help others find that acceptance (cisgendered community)   seems to be the challange for those who have arrived it seems to me.
sheila 18

[veronica06]

well here's one for you.

go have your op and live female for 20 yrs...die...and the coroner lists you AS male because your DNA...is male.
have a good day out there.

[sheila18]

If am dead probably would not matter would and if it did how do you communicate that and if you did who would believe a dead trannie?   
but that is reality.
I accept am a ->-bleeped-<-
 
Now here is one for you if you can handle it:   of course i believe you can ...

from a natural point of cause a effects if ...
If post op transexuals are women AND therefore cease to be transexuals then why are they participating in an a transexual forum?
 If the natural way is to stop being trasexual and bingo you are a girly girl, then why would  you have any interest in transexual socializing? ...
Just a question that begs to be asked, regardless of the answer, correct?

  If you believe that you are no longer a transexual, the why call yourself that after post op or be a card carrying member of a transexual fellowship ("The condition of sharing similar interests, ideals, or experiences, as by reason of profession, religion, or nationality")

  I don't have an aswer and I believe that if we all got honest we would admit that none of us really know the answer.

   So far my belief and only a belief, tells me that what we call womanhood is only an ideal to guide us into the total fullfilment of our destiny which is the mastering of the manly and the womanly ways. Being both is essential to be a healer, shaman, oracle in eart minded societies, which is part of the doctrine of libration. A true liberator is part of both worlds the oppressed and the opressor(Moses) blah blah
have a great one, no matter what, sheila

[tinkerbell]

well here's one for you.

go have your op and live female for 20 yrs...die...and the coroner lists you AS male because your DNA...is male.
have a good day out there.

That is not quite true Veronica.  If you are a pre-op transsexual, even with your male genitals intact, the pathologist will list you as female.  And if you have SRS, and then you die, there is absolutely no doubt that whoever is performing your autopsy will list your gender as Female.  Just FYI

tinkerbell 

P.S.  pathologists don't go by DNA to determine your gender, just FYI as well.