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Natalia

Quote from: Aina on February 02, 2014, 09:13:25 AM
I also spent a lot of time on SL presenting as a female. 9 years to this date actually (I still play). It was SL also that lead me to Susans and finally asking myself the questions I should have been years ago. Also over the years I've played any number of online games and honestly I probably still will, yet I grow bored of just doing that. I want something more!


Second Life is a blessing, isn't it? I was used to play it from 6 pm until midnight everyday for about 3-4 years and it is from there that I have some of the best memories of my life. Every night after living there for a couple of hours I could feel a huge smile on my face. I felt so good. While I was online I was a woman in every way. I even got a boyfriend there (two to tell the truth ^^)

I might reactivate my avatar...the problem is that all the friends I got there disappeared/stopped playing...

(If you want to add me, my name there is Natalia Sciavo (I think there is no problem to post my SL name here, right?)

Quote from: Aina on February 02, 2014, 09:13:25 AM
I haven't got the courage up yet to tell my parents, but ever since accepting myself - I also been exercising every-day. I have cut out sodas out my life. Still need work on "eating" better but eh.

So my suggestion to you is, show them that, show them how "happy" your becoming. That you want to get out more, that your eating better. If they can see you being happy I can't see how any parent wouldn't find you transitioning as a good thing.

That's a great sugestion! Before my grandfather and grandmother knowing about my "transgender issue" I was pretty happy...they even stated several times that I was different and happier...but since this unwanted coming out I don't feel that happy anymore. It is hard even to fake a smile now.

I spent the rest of my day enclosed on my room behind my computer and thinking about my life...and I wasn't seeing how I could come out of this big mess, but that is a great solution! Thank you! ^^ If I can show them how happy I was getting and that I won't be happy if I keep living this way perhaps they can understand that transitioning is not just something I want...it is something I need. Next time I talk to them about this I will go by this path.
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Tori

Natalia, people think being an only child is the best thing ever. They have no clue.

The amount of influence and control a family of an only child thinks they have can be overwhelming.

It may be time for you to start looking for a job, or further schooling away from where you live. Learn to spread your wings. Your family will relent control eventually, but it takes time, and every time you give them power over you to make you live the life they want you to live, you will give them reinforcement that they can keep doing that to you.

I am so sorry,
Tori


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Megumi

Quote from: Natalia on February 01, 2014, 05:00:11 PM
I only feel bad for my mother, that had a hidden desire to be a grandmother
Don't feel bad. I didn't when I flat out told my parents I had NO desire to have a child anytime soon and that's when she was really pushing me to have a kid when my sister was told that she couldn't have kids because of her hormones being screwed up. A few years later my sister ended up getting knocked up by a weirdo and now my mom's dream has been fulfilled and she couldn't be more dissatisfied with the end result. She's not a grandparent, she has ended up practically being the parent to this child nearly full time and is NOT physically able to do so. She now regrets ever pushing me and my sister to have a kid for her own sake of just wanting to be a grandmother.

Your mom saying that you not having a wife or kids or job is a crutch and that's what is stopping her from accepting it is 100% pure BS. That is my mom's crutch, that I am still a virgin and have never been with a woman. I've been on dates but it never amounted to even a kiss between us. Out of everything that has come and gone in the explanation department this is the one constant thing. "You never had sex with a woman so how can you really know how you feel? You were born male so you should be attracted to women". I can't for the life of me get her to understand the separation of gender vs sexuality, what it really boils down to is that this was the one thing I could never force myself to do to prove my masculinity to my family. I did everything under the sun that a man's man would do in attempt to lie to myself that I wasn't a woman but a man. It didn't work and it nearly killed me in the end. 

My relationship with my family has been pretty much the same as yours. The day I came out to my parents we were all crying and hugging each other all while praises of we'll love and accept you no matter what you do were said. Two days later they were having NONE of this nonsense anymore and the shock had worn off and now their reputations were at stake if it were known that they have a transgender child. They have used just about every excuse under the sun to explain why I feel that I'm transgender. It ranges all the way from my therapist giving me these crazy idea's even though I went to her for help with my trans related issues because I had no idea what to do and was literally on my last leg as days before I almost didn't make it "My parents still don't believe that I was ready to end it all or just want to deny it to cover up the notion of the severity of this for me" all the way to the lunacy of this being some kind of generational curse brought upon my family by generations of everyone being completely messed up. Some of the things I learned about my relatives makes me being transgender seem like nothing. Then they blamed it on a gay great uncle from the 60's who died before I was even born but somehow me never knowing about this man influenced this. The internet is to blame as well. They have all said that I'll be an ugly woman who is 5'11 even though in all of my RLE encounters not one person has given me crap about my looks and even the office I get my HRT at were flabbergasted when I said that I wasn't full time yet. They didn't even know I was a new transgender patient, they thought I was there just for regular GP issues. Maybe they were saying that to make me feel good but nearly every person I run into says the same thing and gives me a bit of a hard time about not being full time when they'd kill to pass as well as I do in the looks department and the way I carry myself. My voice still sucks but it's a work in progress and there's always Yeson!

Then it went to woman bashing by my own mom  ::) it's no fun being a woman, you aren't treated well, you get looked at as a sex object, you don't make as much money......ect. I couldn't believe the words that were coming out of her mouth and told her I would not tolerate hearing her put HERSELF down like this just to make me rethink my stance on how I feel about myself. It's never been about enjoying the perks of being male or female, it's all about how I feel about myself and who I am in this world. My sister has vowed to do everything in her power to make me HATE transitioning, the reality of it is that she is afraid that i'll be a better woman than she can ever be. They all have tried everything they can with the exception of 1 thing and that was the one thing they asked me about 4 days after I started HRT. It was a simple question of if we disowned you would you still continue doing what you are doing right now. Without batting an eye or hesitating I stood up and walked to the front door opened it up, stepped outside and said if y'all want me to leave and never come back I will. I am not going to deprive myself of my true feelings so you can all not have to deal with my reality or allow you to force me back into the closet and be miserable for the rest of what would be my short life. If you can't get onboard my train then I can always switch over to a new set of tracks and continue on my way as I do have friends that support me in my transition. That's how I felt in December and even now. I will be fine without them, sure I will HURT bad from it but I have no other option in life right now. It is life or death for me in every way.

I could keep listing every scenario that has been laid before me to explain me being transgender except for the one and only real answer. This is how I've felt since I was a kid and nothing can change this as I have tried everything under the sun for 29 years of my life to get rid of those feelings but they would always come back. They are getting better and "accept" me now but it has been a very difficult road for me so far even though in reality I'm in the lucky group in that at least they still talk to me and still see me in public only as male. They let me come to their house as female but they aren't sure how things are going to go when the world knows the whole truth and I'm full time 100%. I've given them plenty of time to get their feelings in order and now I'm doing the pushing of my own because it's time for me to be true to myself. Do I think they still might go through their threat of disownment and want nothing to do with me, yes. But the optimist in me that always tries to find the good in people sticks it out because I do love them and want them in my life. It's up to them and what they are all finding is that they really do need ME in their lives regardless if I am female or not. Even my parents have admitted it but still have a very hard time saying it.

What this all boils down to is one thing and only one thing. What do YOU want in life? Ask yourself this question and really sort things out. This is where my therapist pushed me extremely hard and no it wasn't to answer what she thought but for me to come to my own answer of what I really wanted. It wasn't easy for me to answer it at first but in the end I made the only decision I could. A lot of late nights and crying were involved and for me it was either I live as true to myself as I can or stay miserable and die soon. What terrified me more than any transgender related outcome/reality/whatever scenario was that I didn't want to die all miserable and hating myself for how many years that would have been.

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Aina

That something else we relate too, I wouldn't say my life up to this point has been unhappy, but lacking. I am sure once I come out they will ask me "but you were happy". Because I am I love my family, just there is something more in my life I want. Just keep your eye on the path you want you'll make it!

I'll add you I don't play nearly as much as I use to but, I still enjoy getting on from time to time.

In fact with school and work I don't do much gaming, even thought my parents feel like that is all I do hehe.

My SL name is Zakka Statosky. You would be surprise who still plays the game, I have friends who are as old as me on SL time wise. There are also a few trasngender groups you can join.

Honestly my geeky dream is to one day be a completely geeky gamer girl even when I am 60 hehe.

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Natalia

Quote from: Tori on February 02, 2014, 03:20:19 PM
Natalia, people think being an only child is the best thing ever. They have no clue.

The amount of influence and control a family of an only child thinks they have can be overwhelming.

It may be time for you to start looking for a job, or further schooling away from where you live. Learn to spread your wings. Your family will relent control eventually, but it takes time, and every time you give them power over you to make you live the life they want you to live, you will give them reinforcement that they can keep doing that to you.

Yes, it is very hard and lonely to be an only child. In my country things are probably worse than average, because here the bonds between father and sons are very strong and usually they go on until something very important happens, like a marriage. It is not common to sons to live away from their families and it is easy to see people with 20-30 years being treated like a 10 years old child.

I know now why it is so important to be independent from your parents, because once you choose a path that your family doesn't approve, you need financial independence to be able to go on with it. If you are dependant on your parents, they can order you around to do their wishes and live your life as they want you to be.

Quote from: Megumi on February 02, 2014, 04:37:47 PM
Then it went to woman bashing by my own mom  ::) it's no fun being a woman, you aren't treated well, you get looked at as a sex object, you don't make as much money......ect. I couldn't believe the words that were coming out of her mouth and told her I would not tolerate hearing her put HERSELF down like this just to make me rethink my stance on how I feel about myself. It's never been about enjoying the perks of being male or female, it's all about how I feel about myself and who I am in this world.

What this all boils down to is one thing and only one thing. What do YOU want in life? Ask yourself this question and really sort things out. This is where my therapist pushed me extremely hard and no it wasn't to answer what she thought but for me to come to my own answer of what I really wanted. It wasn't easy for me to answer it at first but in the end I made the only decision I could. A lot of late nights and crying were involved and for me it was either I live as true to myself as I can or stay miserable and die soon. What terrified me more than any transgender related outcome/reality/whatever scenario was that I didn't want to die all miserable and hating myself for how many years that would have been.

lol my mom says the same thing...that I shouldn't have reasons to want to be a woman, because women don't have their place in society and blablabla. I see things entirely the other way. I think women are the very core of the society and the world is spinning around women.

Each time more I know with certain about what I want. I know that I will only have the means to be happy being the woman I feel inside...and now I am paying the starting price for my decision. I hope I don't end killing my own grandfather of disappointment, because since I came out he looks like he got really older and sad :( I never wanted this to happen...and now it happened...I feel a very bad person because I feel like I am destroying all our relationship now that he is older (he just made 80years old). But...at the same time I don't feel myself as guilty for doing what I know it is the right for me and I am just deciding what to do with my life...if only he could see that...

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Ltl89

Quote from: Natalia on February 02, 2014, 09:12:59 AM
I am really sorry to hear we share this same sad history.

Perhaps this reactions is somewhat related to differences from generation to generation. My mother was born on the 60s, she grew up like a hippie, then she got into the punk subculture...and she was much more comprehensive. My grandfather was born on the 30s and my grandmother on the 40s...both are so closed and so hard and unwilling to accept things that they are not familiar with...

I knew since the beginning that their reaction would be terrible...and I wasn't going to tell them so soon...but my mother spoiled everything and broke my trust. She told everything.

Today we were going to have lunch...but then my grandfather avoided staying close to me at all costs and refused eating...immediatley I started crying and had to leave the table...my grandmother went after me and wanted me to go back and finish eating, but I couldn't...

I don't :( I am an only-child, as my mother. My family can be resumed on only me, my mother, grandmother and grandfather...my father died two years ago... Friends? I have none. I have colleagues from the college, but I can't count on them to talk about my problems. I think I just have you people from Susan's to talk to...for now...but who knows for how long will I have my computer and internet conection? They want to take it from me...

About being kicked out of my home, I don't believe they will do it, because they know I have nowhere to go. Also I think my mother wouldn't allow that...

I feel they want to "cut my wings", they want to take everything I have hoping that I will change my mind...but this will only make me worse.

I really hope going to the therapist can help...but I don't know. If they are unwilling to accept it there will be nothing that can change their minds...only time perhaps...

If you don't mind the question...have you finished transitioning? How could you deal with the changes from HRT living close to your family?

I am on HRT for about 4 months...I know transitioning will take time... Lucky me in my country I don't need to pay anything as the state provides the assistance and costs with SRS...but the waiting time for SRS is absurd and the results might not be the bests...

I plan to keep living in boy-mode until I reach the male fail phase...I don't know for how long I will be able to that...I will have to deal with boobs and with my body getting a feminine shape (I am already very different from how I was 4 months ago)...but I think I can hide it and keep living in male-mode until I can find a place to live or until my family accepts me. Is this something utopic? Could I sustain this lie?


I am not finished transitioning, though I have made some big progress in a short period.  The way I look today is very different from how I looked prior to hrt.  Hell, I even look severely different from 4 months on hrt.  It's hard to say how things will be for anyone, so I can't say where you will be.  In my case, I was a pretty slow adapter to the changes of the hormones.  It was until my latest dose change in October that I started to feel like I was making any real noticeable progress.  However, I know some people around our age group that had major responses within 6 months.  Now then, I've been living in male mode/ andro mode since I started hrt (june 2013), but it is getting very hard and I feel it's becoming painfully obvious I'm trans.  I'm getting closer to getting to where I want to be, but I'm still giving it a little time before I make the complete change for financial reasons and because there is still room for growth.  In my case, it's hard to attempt hiding the changes if you are responding to the hormones and actively changing other aspects of your appearance.  For the most part, I live a normal life and no one says anything; however, I do get stares and smiles and hear people making comments.  It's something that I've learned to deal with.  At my last job, everyone knew that I was trans.  I simply couldn't hide it no matter how hard I tried. Though it wasn't a big deal because they accepted me (god how I hope I will be able to go back there soon).  People that know me have definitely commented on my changes.  It's all part of the transition and unfortunately people will notice.  For the most part people are way too polite to totally confront you on it.  They may question you a little or make a comment that says "I know", but they usually wait for it to come from you, in my experience.  So if you want to totally be in hiding prior to going full time, then be warned that it is going to be very hard.  Transition is very much a process and people will likely pick up on things.  So it's a bit utopic to hide it comptely until you are ready as you will continously be changing (not just hormonally, but hair style, hair removal, brow shaping, etc).

How has my family dealt?  Not well.  Almost every improvement or noticeable difference in my appearance has led to a fight or has visibily hurts/saddens my mother.  When I started wearing a bra, when I got my eyebrows done, when I started laser, when my boobs were growing, when I started straightening my hair, when I started buying makeup and feminine products, etc.  Of course, the hormonal responses are over a period of time, so there were simply fights without a rhyme or reason too other than a perceived difference.  but each occasion was a reminder to my mother of the "death of her son".  Plus, I come from an Italian family where emotions are expressed.  There is no holding back in my house.  It makes it difficult, but we move on the next day and try to improve.  It's not easy to cope and it's been hell for all of us, but we are growing as a family and people.  We'll make it through because we love each other despite the fact that we are a tad dysfunctional.   

Now I can't say how it will be for your family.  Everyone's life is different. But what I do want to address that the changes will be noticeable to our loved ones no matter what way the react.  They will see.  Maybe they won't catch everything or their reactions may be subtle and quiet, but they will notice the stark differences between the new you and the pre-transition you.  It's likely to draw some emotional reaction one way or the other. They may handle things really well or maybe they won't.  In any case, it will be emotional for everyone involved.  It's part of the transition.  When you live in the same house, those wounds are more open to exposure.  That's not to say that it can't be done.  Maybe your grandparents are just reacting badly at the moment and will learn to accept?  Just remember that our families transition with us. Some do it better than others and some refuse to do it at all.  I'm really hoping you get one of those families that accept everything in time.  Just realize that it's likely a tough call to keep all the changes under wraps without having it detected or impact them in some way.  If you are trying to hide it in order to stay in the house, then realize it's a bit like being on thin ice.  It could happen, but it's really hard.  Breast growth is especially hard to totally hide, at least it was in my case. 

Good luck.  I really want to see you pull through and I'll be following your transition.  :)

Quote from: Megumi on February 02, 2014, 04:37:47 PM
Your mom saying that you not having a wife or kids or job is a crutch and that's what is stopping her from accepting it is 100% pure BS. That is my mom's crutch, that I am still a virgin and have never been with a woman. I've been on dates but it never amounted to even a kiss between us. Out of everything that has come and gone in the explanation department this is the one constant thing. "You never had sex with a woman so how can you really know how you feel? You were born male so you should be attracted to women". I can't for the life of me get her to understand the separation of gender vs sexuality, what it really boils down to is that this was the one thing I could never force myself to do to prove my masculinity to my family. I did everything under the sun that a man's man would do in attempt to lie to myself that I wasn't a woman but a man. It didn't work and it nearly killed me in the end. 


Yeah, my mom also notes my virginity as a sign that I can't be certain of my sexuality or gender.  "How can you know you like men and don't like girls if you never slept with either one"?  Or "maybe you can learn to like girls if you just try hard"?  "Maybe that will make these feelings go away"?  As though we can't figure this out our orientation without sex and that sex is the magical gender cure, lol
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emilyking

You know, a few things that held me up (besides religion).
First I was the eldest of two half brothers, and one half sister.
Also I was one of two males, who could carry on the family name / genes.

Now that I know they can do wonders with genes, I don't have to worry if I ever want children.

In the end, it's your choice and your's alone. 
I decided I needed to be happy, and made my decision and I have no plans to ever look back.

Best of luck!
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Allyda

Quote from: emilyking on February 03, 2014, 08:35:42 PM
In the end, it's your choice and your's alone. 
I decided I needed to be happy, and made my decision and I have no plans to ever look back.

Best of luck!
This is the way I feel concerning my transition. I being older am not a virgin and I even have children who are grown now. Sex won't change who you are inside. For me I just went through the motions. I never enjoyed it much, and it never changed the fact I was a woman pretending to be a man. So whether your a virgin or not it doesn't matter, and having sex won't change who you are. ;)
Allyda
Full Time August 2009
HRT Dec 27 2013
VFS [ ? ]
FFS [ ? ]
SRS Spring 2015



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Natalia

I thank you all for the messages!

Just posting an update.

Today I went to my therapist with my grandfather and grandmother...

On the way there they weren't very talkative...things were a bit tense and we went there almost all the way mute or talking about the birds and the trees (elevator talk).

I talked with my therapist on the first 30 minutes. She told me that she will only tell my grandparents about what is transexualism and gender disphoria, that she will explain that I probably have this tendencies printed in my brain since I was born and that this happens with much more people than they imagine.

Ok, I was hoping this could clarify some things and help my grandparents to understand about what they are dealing with.

Then they entered and talked with my therapist for about 30 minutes. I don't know yet how the conversation went, but when my grandfather and grandmother went out they were totaly different, like they were before I came out... and they started treating me as if nothing ever happened.

I asked them what my therapist told them...and here I really don't know in what to believe.

My grandmother stated that the therapist told that she doesn't need to worry about because if I decide to transition into a woman it will take for me from 10-15 years (yes, only 10-15 years o0) and that I will start to get my body so deformed in the process that I will give up (sure, getting a female shape is getting deformed, right...). She also told my grandmother that my main concern now should be getting a job and getting out and making new friends because soon I will forget all this nonsense of wanting to become a woman.

Ok...now in what should I believe?

1. My therapist indeed invented all this bull->-bleeped-<- so my grandmother and grandfather could believe that nothing will change and that they don't need to worry about anything. (But I don't believe that my therapist would create this kind of nonsense...it doesn't seem right)

2. My grandmother invented this bull->-bleeped-<- because she thinks I will believe that my therapist (and the rest of the world) was lying to me and that the truth is that I will get deformed and that it will take from 10-15 years to get my feminine "deformed" body ready

3. It will really take for me from 10-15 years to transition into a deformed monster. (WTF)

I think that number 2 is much more plausible...but I can't believe that my grandmother really thinks I will believe in this nonsense...I mean, I am not retarded and I know how to read! I know transitioning take something around 2 years and that people get overall good results on hormones. If something still looks too masculine FFS is possible. No one turns into a deformed monster...

And I am wondering what will happen next...because I will not give up. I will stay on HRT and I will keep my transition going.

I may not become a beautiful woman, but I WILL become a woman. They won't stop me with lies...or at least they need better lies if they want to change my mind.

EDIT: I just talked with my mom about it and she thinks that the correct answer is number 3! Of course! Then I wanted to show her photos from the before and after section here but she sent me to my room because she was too tired of this subject...  #feelinglikea10yochildsenttohisroomwiythouteatingdessert
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stephaniec

just ask your therapist what was said. I'm assuming your over 21
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Allyda

Quote from: stephaniec on February 04, 2014, 05:28:54 PM
just ask your therapist what was said. I'm assuming your over 21
Yea I have to agree with Stephanie. Ask your therapist. If I had to pick from your assumptions, it would definately be number 2. Furthermore, if that's your photo in your avatar, you've nothing to worry about. You look quite femminine to me. I too had Italians on my adopted fathers side to deal with. One thing though I had going for me is I've always looked like a girl, so I got more made fun of than chastized. ;)
Allyda
Full Time August 2009
HRT Dec 27 2013
VFS [ ? ]
FFS [ ? ]
SRS Spring 2015



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Aina

I don't believe a professional was tell your grandparents that. You also know from these forums that it does not take 10-15 years, and people do not become "deformed".

It may take them time to come around, a friend of mine said her mom wouldn't talk to her for a week when she came out. So you may seem them come around!

As someone stated before in this thread, it is your choice in the end.


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carrie359

Natalia,
Well I read your story and all I can say is that your Mom really needs to be educated on Trans issues. Its for real, Its painful and its not something we do for fun.
I am much older than you but with FFS plan to look OK..
You are still young, get the therapy and be happy with yourself.. your Mom won't be around when you are in your 50's wishing to hell you had done it when you were 26...at that point only you will be suffering and it doe catch up to many eventually.. I can attest to that.
What I have to give up to transition at an older age is almost unthinkable..and the hurt I am causing almost unbearable.
So, good luck I hope your Mom comes around.
Carrie
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Ltl89

Most people have a negative image of transgender people.  You know, the whole Jerry Springer thing which paints their perception of every other person that's trans.  Look, there are no guarantees on how anyone will turn out, but usually the younger girls do just fine with their transitions as the hormones usually are more effective at younger ages.  And of course, even those who are older have successful transitions and lead normal lives and pass just fine after the fact.  Even those who don't pass in the traditional sense, no matter the age,  seem to be happy with their transition and that they took the step forward.  They certainly don't feel they've become a monster and they are usually happy with the results in respect to appearance.  There are bumps in the road, for some more than others, but the idea that it will be 15 year process which will result in deformity is laughable. As long as you have reasonable expectations and you actively work on your transition, you shouldn't need to have a 15 year transition or come out looking like a monster.  Yes, it's not easy to transition, some of us aren't going to be as beautiful as other girls, there are limitations, and some will pass better than others, but that doesn't make anyone a deformed person.  No matter how you turn out, you will not be a monster if this is indeed the right path for you.

It seems your grandparents are purposely painting the worst picture they can in order to make you stop.  I'm sorry they are doing this.    Just keep in mind where it is coming from and know that many people have been told the same thing only to prove their families wrong.  I truly hope your therapist didn't actually say these things to them and it was just the second option that you layed out.  Make sure to have a talk to your therapist about this because you need someone that you can trust during this process that can help you through it. 
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Natalia

Quote from: Allyda on February 04, 2014, 06:30:42 PM
Yea I have to agree with Stephanie. Ask your therapist. If I had to pick from your assumptions, it would definately be number 2. Furthermore, if that's your photo in your avatar, you've nothing to worry about. You look quite femminine to me. I too had Italians on my adopted fathers side to deal with. One thing though I had going for me is I've always looked like a girl, so I got more made fun of than chastized. ;)

Yes, I will ask her ther next time, that will be on two weeks from now...but to tell the truth I am not feeling in a hurry, this can wait.

And thank you for the compliment ^^ Yes, it is me in my avatar pic, but the hair is not exactly mine. I was trying a wig :) I think it can make wonders, hu?

Quote from: Aina on February 04, 2014, 07:27:21 PM
I don't believe a professional was tell your grandparents that. You also know from these forums that it does not take 10-15 years, and people do not become "deformed".

It may take them time to come around, a friend of mine said her mom wouldn't talk to her for a week when she came out. So you may seem them come around!

As someone stated before in this thread, it is your choice in the end.

To tell the truth I am now quite certain that my therapist didn't say this nonsense. Today I told my grandmother that I didn't believe in a word of what she said and that I highly doubt that my therapist said all that because that is not the reality. Then she made a strange face and started ignoring me again. I think the truth came to the surface!

You now, all this denial from my family after my coming out made me grow in a way I didn't expect. I know what I have to do and I'll follow my path no matter what discouragement my family throws on me. I'll prove them wrong.

Quote from: carrie359 on February 04, 2014, 07:48:34 PM
Natalia,
Well I read your story and all I can say is that your Mom really needs to be educated on Trans issues. Its for real, Its painful and its not something we do for fun.
I am much older than you but with FFS plan to look OK..
You are still young, get the therapy and be happy with yourself.. your Mom won't be around when you are in your 50's wishing to hell you had done it when you were 26...at that point only you will be suffering and it doe catch up to many eventually.. I can attest to that.
What I have to give up to transition at an older age is almost unthinkable..and the hurt I am causing almost unbearable.
So, good luck I hope your Mom comes around.
Carrie

Thank you. I know things may get harder with time, but it is never too late to be yourself. I want to transition and my age won't stop me... I feel lucky because I have this opportunity  now that I am still on my 20s, but even if I was on my 50s, 60s or 70s I would go after it.

My family indeed seems to lack knowledge about transexualism and while my mother is open to learn (sometimes), my grandparents aren't. But...well, I tried...if they think it is easier to throw away their grandson instead of accepting their granddaughter, it is their choice. My choice is to follow my path.

Quote from: learningtolive on February 04, 2014, 07:59:10 PM
Most people have a negative image of transgender people.  You know, the whole Jerry Springer thing which paints their perception of every other person that's trans.  Look, there are no guarantees on how anyone will turn out, but usually the younger girls do just fine with their transitions as the hormones usually are more effective at younger ages.  And of course, even those who are older have successful transitions and lead normal lives and pass just fine after the fact.  Even those who don't pass in the traditional sense, no matter the age,  seem to be happy with their transition and that they took the step forward.  They certainly don't feel they've become a monster and they are usually happy with the results in respect to appearance.  There are bumps in the road, for some more than others, but the idea that it will be 15 year process which will result in deformity is laughable. As long as you have reasonable expectations and you actively work on your transition, you shouldn't need to have a 15 year transition or come out looking like a monster.  Yes, it's not easy to transition, some of us aren't going to be as beautiful as other girls, there are limitations, and some will pass better than others, but that doesn't make anyone a deformed person.  No matter how you turn out, you will not be a monster if this is indeed the right path for you.

It seems your grandparents are purposely painting the worst picture they can in order to make you stop.  I'm sorry they are doing this.    Just keep in mind where it is coming from and know that many people have been told the same thing only to prove their families wrong.  I truly hope your therapist didn't actually say these things to them and it was just the second option that you layed out.  Make sure to have a talk to your therapist about this because you need someone that you can trust during this process that can help you through it. 

Of course I want to pass 100% as a female (who doesn't?)... but even if I can't, I think I can live with it. What is most important to me is to be myself. I know I willl feel better...I am already feeling better on a way I can't describe. I feel so tuned with myself...I hope it is not placebo effect, but HRT made me feel truly happiness for the first time in my life.

I know transitioning is a very hard and demanding process. For some, things can be easier; while to others it may require more effort. My voice will require a lot of training (although I have naturally a higher pitch than most males) and my nose and forehead is a major concern to me (I am quite sure I need to do something about it or I'll have trouble to pass)...but one thing I am 200% of certain is that no one gets "deformed" and that no one needs 10-15 years...lol this is so ridiculous...but at the same time this may be the real picture my grandmother has of transgenders...and this is sad.

But while that...my mother is starting to understand me (sometimes she is still blunt about it, but she is slowly getting there). Today she told me that I am showing a courage that she never thought I had and that she is envious of me. She also told me that she knows how much I need her support and that she will always be with me. She still thinks that I am ridiculous for wanting this to myself, but overall I think she is starting to accept me. :)
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Androgynous_Machine

Quote from: Natalia on January 19, 2014, 04:37:26 PM
Hello girls,
I am sorry about my wall of text, but I feel I need to write this because I feel I am freaking out with my feelings...I really don't have anybody to give me advices, just my therapist, but I will see her only at the end of the week...

Well, about one week ago I finally came out to my mom.

Her reaction has been different and her opinions about it changes everyday...but it seems that not for the better.

She keeps saying to me that my life is already very difficult and that it will get a lot worse if I change into a woman. I am aware that I will have to face not being accepted and having trouble in any job I get, or getting weird looks...but she really thinks that my life will be a hell if I transition.

I am finishing the university, I don't have a wife, kids or any job right now...I told her that a lot of people are in way more difficult positions than mine, but I don't think she will change her mind.
She says that this is the only thing that keeps her from accepting my transition...

She doesn't know that I am taking hormones for about 4 months now...so she thinks that this is just some crazy idea I have and that I should forget about it and stay the way I am.
I don't feel I can. I mean, I actually can, but if I choose to do so my life will keep being the same horrible fake thing. Now that I could feel just a bit about how it is to be a woman, I don't want to go back. I don't want to stop HRT and get everything back to "male mode"...

Before realizing about my disphoria and before starting HRT perhaps I could live that way...but I don't think I can now... and I think this feeling will only get worse with time...

Also she keeps telling me that I'd be an ugly manly woman...I really don't mind not being a pretty beautiful hot woman, but I want to be passable...I know my nose is too big and that my hairline was receding...but now new hair is growing and I can see my face getting a different shape...I still I can't see myself as a woman...and I don't know if someday I will.

This is something that discourages me. Looking for my future and wondering if I will be passable someday...

I want to be a woman, because I feel I am a woman inside...I know transition will make me feel great with myself, but a big part of being a woman is also being accepted as a woman...

And if I can't be passable? And if I can't find a job because of that? Can my life get worse than it is right now?

I feel I don't have where to run. I don't want to live as a male, and I don't know if I will be passable as a female.
But perhaps this is my mom filling my head with ideas to make me give up...how real are this ideas? What can I do?

Sorry to come here and vomit this wall of text, but I felt I needed to write it, even if antbody reads.

Ask yourself "Why are you transitioning?" and answer it honestly.

Pretend for a moment that you would never pass.  That you would never be accepted by society as a woman.  Would you still want to do it?

If you answer "no" to that question then maybe transitioning isn't for you and you should look into other forms of release from your gender identity issues.

I have a pen pal who drags and that's enough for him to deal with his identity issues.

If you answer "yes" to that question, then you need to set aside other people's wants and focus on what you need to do.    At the end of it all, it is you that has to look in the mirror everyday; not your mother, not your father, not your friends, and not your lovers. 

-AM
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Natalia

Quote from: Androgynous_Machine on February 05, 2014, 12:50:10 PM
Ask yourself "Why are you transitioning?" and answer it honestly.

Pretend for a moment that you would never pass.  That you would never be accepted by society as a woman.  Would you still want to do it?

If you answer "no" to that question then maybe transitioning isn't for you and you should look into other forms of release from your gender identity issues.

I have a pen pal who drags and that's enough for him to deal with his identity issues.

If you answer "yes" to that question, then you need to set aside other people's wants and focus on what you need to do.    At the end of it all, it is you that has to look in the mirror everyday; not your mother, not your father, not your friends, and not your lovers. 

-AM

I considered all the negative outcomes and I concluded that what really matters is how you feel inside. I never had a place in society as I am right now (an extremely shy boy that never talked with no one and was always hiding from people), so even if I still can't find my place and be accepted... I think I can live with it...  But I don't feel I can keep living the way I am living right now. I feel like I am living a lie and everyday is a big sucession of repressed feelings one after another. I can't feel good with myself...I don't like what I see on the mirror, I don't like having to wear the clothes I wear, I don't like trying to be a man.

So, yes, I answer a big YES.

I learned that being accepted is also a choice, but not mine own. I accepted myself as a woman, this was my part. The rest is up to my family/friends/whatever
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kathyk

Quote from: Natalia on February 04, 2014, 05:09:16 PM
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3. It will really take for me from 10-15 years to transition into a deformed monster. (WTF)

I think that number 2 is much more plausible...but I can't believe that my grandmother really thinks I will believe in this nonsense...I mean, I am not retarded and I know how to read! I know transitioning take something around 2 years and that people get overall good results on hormones. If something still looks too masculine FFS is possible. No one turns into a deformed monster...

And I am wondering what will happen next...because I will not give up. I will stay on HRT and I will keep my transition going.

I may not become a beautiful woman, but I WILL become a woman. They won't stop me with lies...or at least they need better lies if they want to change my mind.

EDIT: I just talked with my mom about it and she thinks that the correct answer is number 3! Of course! Then I wanted to show her photos from the before and after section here but she sent me to my room because she was too tired of this subject...  #feelinglikea10yochildsenttohisroomwiythouteatingdessert

So I've been reading this thread with confusion and wonderment.  It's so incredibly hard to relate to many of the issues that have been raised because each one of us is a unique woman in our own right.  And I really can't believe some of the things your therapist may have said (or more likely did not say).  But this last item in your list is the one thing that I found so incredibly laughable.  Really, I was laughing.  I suspect you won't get a full story from anyone in your family, and they most likely just don't want you to transition.  But it's your life, your future, and your womanhood. 

You're a woman now, and you have pretty eyes.  Wish we could see the rest of your face, but even without seeing the whole you I really think you're probably going to be quite a nice looking young lady.  Mostly because you're young, and also because HRT does so much to make even old ladies like me turn into a presentable girl. :)  And as for the supposed 10 to 15 years to transition into a monster ... BULL.  I know girls who are having SRS after 16 months, and because I've had a lot of family issues to deal with I'll be going to surgery after 30 months (mostly because I wasn't ready to ask about it till November).  Some of these young ladies had what I considered questionable starts, and you know what, today they are knock out beauties.  So don't listen to the detracting opinions, and maybe not even my opinion if it rubs you the wrong way. 

None of us wanted to be born transgendered and yet we were.  I for one am glad you've accepted your life, and that you can look into the future and see who you will be.  When I was young very few girls had the chance to make the kind of decisions you're making today.  And so a lot of us waited far to many years for some interfering parts of our lives to pass.  And yet we're here with you now, and damn it I'm incredibly proud of the girls I'm with.  We face a lot of hardship, deal with lies, bigotry, and hate.  But we go on, and we become the women we are with a certain amount of pride for having surmounted the difficulties, and managed the awful distractions.   

I'll stand up and say it.  You are here on Susan's because you want your life as a woman to exist in the eyes of people you can trust.  And you want validation of the truthful fact that your are a woman.  It's why I joined, and I'm sure some of the other girls would say the same.  So be proud of who you are, and take control of your life so you can bring it into the future. 

Hugs.





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Natalia

Hello ^^

Just updating this thread.

Today I talked with my therapist and indeed she hasn't told all the nonsense my grandmother told me. She just told my grandparents that this is a long and slow process and that some surgeries may be needed, as facial surgeries and the sexual reassignment surgery. My grandparents distorted her words to make the MtF transition looks like a 10-15 years process that will result in deformities. Laughable!

On the past weeks my grandparents stopped talking with me after a major discussion, where I was called someone unworthy and a parasite. I was also judged for having destroyed all my family with my ideas of becoming a drag queen o0. Again, laughable, unfair and revolting!

But you know what? I cried a lot one day, but on the day after and on all the days that came after I realized that sometimes bad things can bring good things. I felt a new person and all those difficulties being imposed to me were there only for me to break them and grow stronger. I am not getting affected by them anymore. I know what I want and I won't let them stop me! I am a grown woman  ;)

Also, my mother finally understood me. She has been very supportive and yesterday she was cleaning her wardrobe from old stuff and then she gave me two pretty and very feminine belts! She told me "for you to wear in the future"  :D

The only problem is that she thinks it will be hard for her to accept me when I am presenting as a girl. She thinks I will be a delicate cute girl that loves to wear things with pretty girly laces (she might be right ^^) and she says she hates this kind of girl lol
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