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does any body think that early intervention would of helped

Started by stephaniec, January 21, 2014, 11:08:36 AM

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stephaniec

I'm sorry for all the pain people have gone through, I've been through hell my self, every body has an innate right  to believe that which is right for them. It's just that my belief is that you need to understand your personal building blocks to move forward to help your self and others. I know now that people disagree with my attitude of trying to heal my soul through exploration of this unique condition in the realm of being human. Being transgender is quite unique and interesting. I've live it from day one of my life and I love finding ways to heal my self and others. I truly mean no harm to any one ,we've all suffered so much, I've guess I've gotten carried away with trying to explore my own condition and my newly found transition.
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emilyking

Quote from: Gwynne on January 21, 2014, 12:47:51 PM
I wish I had known about doctor-patient confidentiality. As a preteen, I knew I needed help, but was terrified to talk to anyone. If I'd known that I could talk to someone impartial confidentially, I might have done that. As it stands, I felt like I was in limbo until I could find the courage to tell my parents. And that took twenty years. :-\
Same. 
I thought about the school, psychologist but I was sure they would have to talk to my parents.  I worked sooooo hard to never anyone know, and yet wished everyday I could do what I knew I needed to do.
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Kaitlin4475

As quoted by myself [quote:I generally dislike topics like these because they cause us to reinforce the negative body image that many of us have about ourselves. I wasted a lot of time saying "I wish" to myself, which is a toxic way of thinking. Instead I could've invested that time learning to love myself, finding the features I do love about myself. I feel I am just starting to she'd away that mindset or at least the bad parts about it. Hey a girl can dream but make sure it's just that, and not dwell on it..

Sorry everybody I accidentally posted this reply in the wrong topic, it made no sense on this topic so I hope I didn't offend anybody
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Aina

I honestly don't see any harm with "what ifs or wishing" as long as you know that it is in the past and no matter the amount of what ifs or wishing will change it. Plus what ifs and wishing have helped me pin-points other things and got me thinking about the next step I wanna go.
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Allyda

To answer this one, for me it would depend on the type of early intervention. If you mean a early intervention to in some way keep me living as a male? the no, absolutely not in any way would it have helped me in the least.

Now if you mean early intervention to support and help me begin my transition much earlier in life so I wouldn't have waisted all those years feeling miserable, then yes maybe. If I'd have had someone tell me that waiting wouldn't solve anything with my family and give me examples supporting this, then I would have began my transition much earlier and certainly have lived a much happier life overall, instead of waiting and being miserable and finding out the hard way that my wait was for nothing. So with me it would depend on the type of intervention. ;)
Allyda
Full Time August 2009
HRT Dec 27 2013
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MadeleineG

Quote from: Aina on January 23, 2014, 11:45:15 AM
I honestly don't see any harm with "what ifs or wishing" as long as you know that it is in the past and no matter the amount of what ifs or wishing will change it. Plus what ifs and wishing have helped me pin-points other things and got me thinking about the next step I wanna go.

If the purpose is to wallow in self-pity, then I don't see much point. If the purpose is to motivate social change and help out the next generation, then it's entirely worthwhile.
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Miss_Bungle1991

It would have never been an option (despite what my mom says these days). They tend to forget how things really were. I tried to give off as many damn hints as possible and I always got a hostile response, so I gave up by age 12 or so.
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Allyda

The latest I got from my mom is I wear my pony tail too high on my head. I had to laugh just couldn't help myself.. :D
Allyda
Full Time August 2009
HRT Dec 27 2013
VFS [ ? ]
FFS [ ? ]
SRS Spring 2015



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pebbles

Mum was struggling keeping us fed and sheltered as my dad had been abusive then completely absent my sister went fricking mental with her own issues and she screamed and smashed stuff up so nautrally she got the attention, and fair enough she did have problems.

I was just left to deal with my own issues, I never screamed or cried nearly as loud boys are always chastised more for crying. so nobody noticed when I starved myself until I was a bag of bones under a sweater, and every other night would just go crazy with a razorblade in the bath. Nobody knew anything for years and years.

It was hell, I don't know if someone had found me what would change. A Lie within a secret within a secret leading to the eventual truth that even I was denying in myself. I don't think I even believed in talking about things like that.
Goodness knows if anyone could have unravelled it.
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Jenna Stannis

Quote from: Gwynne on January 23, 2014, 05:26:28 PM
If the purpose is to wallow in self-pity, then I don't see much point. If the purpose is motivate social change and hep out the next generation, then it's entirely worthwhile.

I think anyone reading this thread can learn something from both your points.
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stephaniec

Quote from: pebbles on January 23, 2014, 06:45:39 PM
Mum was struggling keeping us fed and sheltered as my dad had been abusive then completely absent my sister went fricking mental with her own issues and she screamed and smashed stuff up so nautrally she got the attention, and fair enough she did have problems.

I was just left to deal with my own issues, I never screamed or cried nearly as loud boys are always chastised more for crying. so nobody noticed when I starved myself until I was a bag of bones under a sweater, and every other night would just go crazy with a razorblade in the bath. Nobody knew anything for years and years.

It was hell, I don't know if someone had found me what would change. A Lie within a secret within a secret leading to the eventual truth that even I was denying in myself. I don't think I even believed in talking about things like that.
Goodness knows if anyone could have unravelled it.
It/s the same with me .I was living so deep inside that a psychologist would really of needed to be gifted in order to get me to talk.   If some one could of helped me to not feel so ashamed it would of been a big help. The feeling I have of my self that because of the depth of this thing and how early for me it surfaced that its got to be genetic. It would of been nice to have some understanding and acceptance early on.
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Jenna Stannis

Can anyone here actually say that seeing a psych has helped them in some way (other than allowing HRT)? I just don't get it. I've seen two psychologists and one psychiatrist, all of them nice enough, but I can't say that any of them helped me in any meaningful way.
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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: JS on January 23, 2014, 10:46:55 PM
Can anyone here actually say that seeing a psych has helped them in some way (other than allowing HRT)? I just don't get it. I've seen two psychologists and one psychiatrist, all of them nice enough, but I can't say that any of them helped me in any meaningful way.

Actually, the two that I saw did help in other ways because I could get things out without someone wanting to throw their entirely insignificant opinion into the mix and being a pain in the ass.
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Jenna Stannis

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on January 23, 2014, 10:49:10 PM
I could get things out without someone wanting to throw their entirely insignificant opinion into the mix and being a pain in the ass.

Perhaps it's just that I'm a very private introvert who rarely reveals anything to anyone. I usually end up solving my own problems in my own way. Not trying to wear it as a badge of honour, or anything, it's just who I am. One day I'll just explode and vaporise, I guess. Tick... tick... tick...
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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: JS on January 23, 2014, 11:02:31 PM
Perhaps it's just that I'm a very private introvert who rarely reveals anything to anyone.

When I would see a therapist, I would just let it all out. I'm not paying the guy just to sit there like a silent clam.
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Allyda

Quote from: JS on January 23, 2014, 10:46:55 PM
Can anyone here actually say that seeing a psych has helped them in some way (other than allowing HRT)? I just don't get it. I've seen two psychologists and one psychiatrist, all of them nice enough, but I can't say that any of them helped me in any meaningful way.
I can't say where one has helped me in any way at all. A couple have even made me feel worse about myself.
Allyda
Full Time August 2009
HRT Dec 27 2013
VFS [ ? ]
FFS [ ? ]
SRS Spring 2015



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Tori

Quote from: JS on January 23, 2014, 10:46:55 PM
Can anyone here actually say that seeing a psych has helped them in some way (other than allowing HRT)? I just don't get it. I've seen two psychologists and one psychiatrist, all of them nice enough, but I can't say that any of them helped me in any meaningful way.

I was empowered. By looking for psychological help, I found informed consent and a good doctor.

Have any shrinks actually helped me? The biggest help came from looking for help.

Other than that, I have someone to talk to every week. Therapy is not bad, the negative stigma is gone.


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Vicky

I actually ended up getting GT as the result of Chemical Dependency Recovery counseling, for the second time at age 60.  20 years before that I had been up to admitting that I was CD to another CDR counselor for my first recovery attempt.  The first time kept me sober for 16 years and the therapist had given my CDing validity as something that if it controlled the drinking I was doing, they had gotten the important issue under control!!  (Sigh!)  I did have 16+ years of general sobriety with a dishonest deep dark secret that broke me and lead into a relapse.

Being born in 1948 gives a hint at the environment I grew up in.  The first information I had on TS was a National Enquirer at age 14 as the result of an early crime spree.  (I snuck it into an LA Times I bought legitimately.)  The next halfway valid information I got was from a Playboy magazine interview with Wendy Carlos when I was 18,  At 15 a high school counselor did keep me from going off into a psychotic detachment at almost the last minute, but nothing about being TS or GD could ever be mentioned.  A drama teacher who helped me after that had let me do some female roles in a readers theater, and at one point told me she knew my entire life was an act demanded by other people but that all shows reach the end of run, and someday, maybe decades in the future I could star in my own real life. 
I refuse to have a war of wits with a half armed opponent!!

Wiser now about Post Op reality!!
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Jenna Stannis

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on January 23, 2014, 11:06:01 PM
When I would see a therapist, I would just let it all out. I'm not paying the guy just to sit there like a silent clam.

I guess I was speaking generally. I do tell my story to psychs, but I find their responses a bit lacking in substance. Their toolbox rather trite and obvious (or maybe I'm just a bit stupid).

I went through a bit of a crisis when I came out to my partner, but it resolved after some time. I also used to get really bad anxiety attacks about 5-years ago, but I learnt how to identify and talk myself out of them. I haven't had an anxiety attack since, so I must have internalised whatever process I used to avoid them. I'm sure people get something out of seeing a psych, it's just not obvious to me what that something is.

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debbie1lawrence

I was born in the 1950s, when the "cure" for transsexuals was electroshock, aversion therapy including shocking the genitalia and poisoning, and if that failed, a lobotomy.  So no, had doctors at time officially diagnosed me as transsexual I probably would have ended up a vegetable in some institution somewhere.

I DO wish that I had been able to get the kind of counseling and support they offer today.  Now there are even some tests that might have resulted in diagnosis at birth, or at least an awareness before it became an issue.

Good counselors and trained educators would have encouraged me to transition as early as I really wanted to (5 years old) and they would have started me on testosterone blockers (Spiro?) before I started puberty.

As a result I would have had to endure fewer beatings in Elementary school and Jr High, and might have not gotten as self destructive (Drugs, Booze, Suicides, high risk behaviors), or at least would have been able to talk to the therapists about the REAL issues rather than the symptoms.

Thank goodness for AA and NA, because my sponsors were able to help me discuss and address my transsexuality without as much judgement and without the threat of losing their licenses if they didn't turn me over for "De-Programming" immediately.

I DID see counselors in Elementary, Jr High, High School, and in 1977 took a year out of college and did out-patient therapy 6 days a week for 6 hours a day, but they REFUSED to even allow me to discuss being transsexual, even after a nearly effective suicide attempt.

I continued to see other therapists who refused to discuss it and / or discouraged my doing anything about it.

When I finally did encounter a therapist who understood anything about transsexuality, he realized that I was type six, and would either transition or self-destruct one way or the other.  It was almost spooky how true it was.

When I started seeing a counselor for transition, i started RLE and he gave me assignments which helped me feel more and more comfortable being myself.  There was more happiness, vitality, joy, and also focus and desire to relate to people.

Before coming out, most people knew there was something "phony" about me, and a few even thought I might be a "Ted Bundy" type.  I could socialize, but doing so as a man was usually very awkward.  Women liked me, as friends, but couldn't figure out why I wasn't trying to have sex with them.  Even my sexual partners realize I was a bit "different" and each eventually figured out that I was a lesbian.  Often, the discovery resulted in the end of the relationships, sending me into another suicidal tail-spin.

After coming out, it became completely obvious to everyone who knew me that I really WAS DEBBIE.  I really was a girl trapped in a boy's body, trying to make my body match my mind.  My mother, sister, and brother reacted with "It all makes sense now!".  My sister said "I always thought of you as the older sister I never had".  I could brush out her hear without it hurting, taught her to do make-up, taught her dance exercises to help her appear more feminine, and so on.  Mom had known all along, but realized how much it actually was true, I was a girl inside.  My father realized it was true, but struggled with it.  I think he was mostly afraid that I would destroy any chance of a career, a happy marriage, or a happy life.  He was transgendered as well, preferring to watch "chick flicks", go to symphonies, ballet, and really having no like of sports at all.  He just didn't understand why I had to "come out" after spending most of his life in the closet.

For dad, the turning point was when he friended me on facebook.  He began to see that if I wanted to "Be myself" that meant being Debbie.  Just before he died, i went to be with him, and the first thing he said when we had a chance to talk was "If I can give you nothing else, I want you to be yourself - Even if that's Debbie".  For the rest of the time I was with him, I was Debbie, I was myself, and I was taking care of him, and he LOVED the real me!  At one point, just before the end, he even thought I was my mother, because we looked so much alike.

I'm now living full time as female.  At work I'm "Rexxie", because I haven't done the legal name change yet.  Everywhere else, I'm "Debbie" because that's who I am.

The therapist I'm seeing now is helping me through transition.  She doesn't even think of me in terms of Rex anymore.


Debbie Lawrence
Transsexual, Author of LGBT themed books for Kindle
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