Am I going to hell?

[Illuminess]

There's a Black Metal song in there somewhere.

*cue Abbath crab walk*

[Carrie Liz]

I really don't consider myself religious, but my parents are very much so and it influences my life, I certainly cannot simply not think about it. The question is, if hell is real am I not going there for being transgendered? The bible does say a man or woman wearing the other genders clothes is an abomination. I'm so worried about this.

The Bible also says that eating shrimp is an abomination. And pork. And wearing clothes made from multiple fabrics. And lust, and jealousy, and divorce, and not having a parapet on your roof, and a hundred other things.

But I don't see people going around and crusading for these things to be declared sinful and shunned and that those who do them are going to hell.

Humans are the ones who decided that homosexuality and ->-bleeped-<- were sins worthy of damning someone to hell while the others weren't, not God. God declares that even if you keep the entire Law and yet stumble at one point, you're guilty of breaking all of the Law. (James 2:8-13). So if you're going to hell, so are they.

In my Christian studies, I've come to understand that the important thing is to love our neighbors as ourselves. For when we clothe the poor, feed the hungry, give shelter to the homeless, and visit the sick and the imprisoned, we do it for God. (Matthew 25:34-45) And also, the important thing, important above all else, is to forgive others, and to not judge them. For when we forgive others, we too will be forgiven. And when we do not judge others, neither will we be judged.

Again... humans are the ones who are judging you specifically for your sin. But according to Christian law, they're just as guilty as you are. They just don't want to admit it, and want to pretend that they're somehow better by putting themselves up on a pedestal of righteousness. But they're not better, and they're not more righteous. Nobody is.

We can not judge. All we can do is forgive others for their inevitable shortcomings because we recognize that we have them too, and therefore likewise hope to be forgiven ourselves.

That's my life mantra, and what I've come to see my faith as being all about.

[Illuminess]

^^^THIS^^^

[awilliams1701]

My sister put up something religious that supported my transgender status. I used it to my advantage, but not in a negative way. She got mad and said I twisted it. After a little minor research of my own it looks like God doesn't care about gender one bit which means that transgender has nothing to do with religion. I don't believe I'm going to hell or anything, but basically religion can mean anything you want it to mean.

[Illuminess]

but basically religion can mean anything you want it to mean.

Except for the hardcore religious. Any other interpretations aside from their own are quickly dismissed. I did have a great aunt, though, who used to be a pastor, and I talked to her about my beliefs. Surprisingly, she didn't refute anything I said, and basically told me that she's just set in her ways. She recognised my need for complexity and scrutiny in spiritual matters and just said simplicity is enough for her. Because, ultimately, the details are there just for the intellect to make sense of things. Beyond that the divine connection is the same no matter what methods we go about it, or how we define it.

[Alesium]

There is no greater insult to God than to deny Him sacrificing His own Son for your redemption, also known as "dying without accepting Christ".  That is the ultimate sin.  Being transgender, homosexual, black, white, blue, a murderer, a pastor, a nurse, a fish, or anything else will, in no way, affect your salvation.

Quite frankly, if I sacrificed my only child for someone else (I wouldn't) and they were all like "meh, nah, I'll be ok"... I would do my best to make sure they were not ok. 



Toodles from TN,
Ales

[VeryGnawty]

I doubt that a place called Hell actually exists, unless you are talking about Hell, Michigan.  For that matter, I'm not convinced that a god exists as depicted in the Bible.  Even if such a god does exist, I doubt that anyone would suffer infinite punishment for a finite crime.  It is simply not a logical.  A god who is supposedly omniscient would know this.

I don't think Hell in the Bible is meant to be taken literally.  I think it was just a scare tactic to try to control people's behavior.  The boogie man will get you if you're not good.

[Shantel]

I doubt that a place called Hell actually exists, unless you are talking about Hell, Michigan.  For that matter, I'm not convinced that a god exists as depicted in the Bible.  Even if such a god does exist, I doubt that anyone would suffer infinite punishment for a finite crime.  It is simply not a logical.  A god who is supposedly omniscient would know this.

I don't think Hell in the Bible is meant to be taken literally.  I think it was just a scare tactic to try to control people's behavior.  The boogie man will get you if you're not good.

I don't think the word Hell is mentioned in the bible, but it's alluded to by Christ in other terms, smart people pay attention and hedge their bets concerning such a place. I'd prefer to trust Christ rather than engage in speculation with someone who can't walk on water or bring a man four days dead and putrid back to life.

[Illuminess]

That's the beauty of interpretation. To some, Hell is fire and screaming. To others, it might simply be a darkness in isolation from God. To JW's it's simply the grave. To me, it's where you want to take yourself in this life, and whether or not you want to find "the Kingdom of Heaven within". To ignore your own divine origin and to deny spiritual ecstasy in the here and now is to remain in the frequency of the mundane. No matter which way you want to see it, it begins and ends with you.

[Shantel]

I thought this was kind of entertaining and a clever way to put her point across, called the one minute sermon!

[Yarngeek]

Dueteronomy 22:12 states that you are most certainly going to hell. Not because you are trans*, but because you have failed to sew the right amount of tassels in to your clothing. Deuteronomy is the same chapter that says cross dressers are sinning. Until people are willing to cut a womans hands off if they touch testicles that don't belong to their husband, stone witches to death, wear no mixed textiles and keep kosher, they have absolutely no right to tell you that you're going to hell, because they are too. You know when the church was founded, Peter decided we didn't have to follow the laws in Deuteronomy and Leviticus. People should stop picking and choosing what counts as a sin.

[Wynternight]

I drank milk with breakfast this morning which included bacon. Am I roasting in hellfire for all eternity?

[Illuminess]

I drank milk with breakfast this morning which included bacon. Am I roasting in hellfire for all eternity?

We'll put you on the terrace above the weakest furnace overlooking Pat Robertson's personal suite.

[Illuminess]

Dueteronomy 22:12 states that you are most certainly going to hell. Not because you are trans*, but because you have failed to sew the right amount of tassels in to your clothing. Deuteronomy is the same chapter that says cross dressers are sinning. Until people are willing to cut a womans hands off if they touch testicles that don't belong to their husband, stone witches to death, wear no mixed textiles and keep kosher, they have absolutely no right to tell you that you're going to hell, because they are too. You know when the church was founded, Peter decided we didn't have to follow the laws in Deuteronomy and Leviticus. People should stop picking and choosing what counts as a sin.

"The word of sin is restriction. O man! refuse not thy wife, if she will! O lover, if thou wilt, depart! There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursed! Accursed be it to the aeons! Hell." — Liber al vel Legis 1:41

[Cristyjade30]

No sweetheart no hell for you, I am a Christian and am pretty religious but it took me til I turned 30 in March to realize I wasn't going to hell. And I am close to my parents right now, but I am working on breaking those relationships, I thinking am just going to tell my mom, I am going to start hrt like in the next month, so it will become obvious within 6 months to a year,luckily I make a lot of money so I can plan for moving and stuff but even if I didn't make a lot of money, I would indeed still follow my own path. It will hurt, but just tell them that you have seen therapist, and if you don't transition you'll probably end up dead. That if they want you in thier lives to accept who you are, if not it will hurt but you will have to break those relationships, if not you will have to deal with intolerance until they pass away.

[Shantel]

I drank milk with breakfast this morning which included bacon. Am I roasting in hellfire for all eternity?

LoL I can hear you crackling now!   

[OreSama]

I drank milk with breakfast this morning which included bacon. Am I roasting in hellfire for all eternity?

lol, the Bible didn't even say not to eat bacon for moral reasons, it said it for health reasons which aren't a problem anymore.  Which makes you think, if that one part is outdated what about the rest?

[Shantel]

lol, the Bible didn't even say not to eat bacon for moral reasons, it said it for health reasons which aren't a problem anymore.  Which makes you think, if that one part is outdated what about the rest?

It was done to prevent the Israelites from getting trichinosis which is common in hogs, now we have the FDA oversight for what that's worth and an admonition to always cook pork well. The Israelites were also admonished not to eat any fish without scales which is because those kinds eliminate urine through their skin like dogfish and are considered unclean. That's why some fish and chips places still using dogfish soak the meat in vinegar before cooking.

[Jaz650]

I really don't consider myself religious, but my parents are very much so and it influences my life, I certainly cannot simply not think about it. The question is, if hell is real am I not going there for being transgendered? The bible does say a man or woman wearing the other genders clothes is an abomination. I'm so worried about this.

I do not think you will go to hell specifically for being transgender. I am Catholic, so I do believe in mortal sin, but transgender is not a sin. Listen to your doctors. Being transgender is a medical condition. However you treat it with medication or therapy.  Religious people including clergy are NOT doctors to treat a medical condition. Jesus said peace I give you, my peace I leave you, and that is exactly what he wants for you, that you have peace with yourself! God bless!

[Jaz650]

The Bible also says that eating shrimp is an abomination. And pork. And wearing clothes made from multiple fabrics. And lust, and jealousy, and divorce, and not having a parapet on your roof, and a hundred other things.

But I don't see people going around and crusading for these things to be declared sinful and shunned and that those who do them are going to hell.

Humans are the ones who decided that homosexuality and ->-bleeped-<- were sins worthy of damning someone to hell while the others weren't, not God. God declares that even if you keep the entire Law and yet stumble at one point, you're guilty of breaking all of the Law. (James 2:8-13). So if you're going to hell, so are they.

In my Christian studies, I've come to understand that the important thing is to love our neighbors as ourselves. For when we clothe the poor, feed the hungry, give shelter to the homeless, and visit the sick and the imprisoned, we do it for God. (Matthew 25:34-45) And also, the important thing, important above all else, is to forgive others, and to not judge them. For when we forgive others, we too will be forgiven. And when we do not judge others, neither will we be judged.

Again... humans are the ones who are judging you specifically for your sin. But according to Christian law, they're just as guilty as you are. They just don't want to admit it, and want to pretend that they're somehow better by putting themselves up on a pedestal of righteousness. But they're not better, and they're not more righteous. Nobody is.

We can not judge. All we can do is forgive others for their inevitable shortcomings because we recognize that we have them too, and therefore likewise hope to be forgiven ourselves.

That's my life mantra, and what I've come to see my faith as being all about.

lust is a grave sin. Jesus even said so. Jealousy possibly, because envy is one of the seven deadly sins. I feel bad that a lot of trans people are promiscuous, we are called to greater things than that. It's okay to be trans, but respect yourself. God bless!