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GRS & BA surgery with Chett August 2014

Started by Donna Elvira, July 19, 2014, 05:25:22 AM

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Donna Elvira

Quote from: Julia-Madrid on July 28, 2014, 05:08:00 AM
Oh my Donna, you know that I can't laugh at the moment with all this swelling!!!  So, your mother must have been quite a character, and by the sounds of it, very "traditionally" Irish.  Your little dialogue reminds me so much of the things Spike Milligan used to regale us with in his WW2 books, especially the first one!

Catholics, Jews, we're all part of a very strange little club of the guilty and matriarchal.  Although, as I comment to my friends, Catholics get their guilt from their priests, whereas Jews get it from our mothers :D   Either way, it takes us to a similar place we have to climb out of!

This said, I long ago shed any notions of guilt - nowdays I just say that I'm Jewish for sentimental reasons, which generally means getting together for some stodgy central-European food a few times a year!  Quite probably there are some equally stodgy items lurking about the Irish pantry!

I have been very lucky with my parents.  They come from a slightly weird almost-hippy period and have always been exceptionally supportive, sometimes too much.  In fact, when I came out to them as transgender just two months ago they were highly indignant.  Not because I was trans, but because they never knew and considered it to be a huge breakdown in the very communicative relationship we've always had.  And yesterday, I had my mother giggling and crying simultaneously when she said that she'd always wanted another girl to dress up, and I told her that she now had her chance and was doing pretty well at it :D

So now you know why I look a little like Barbera Streisand :)

Hi Julia,
My mother was actually pretty OK but she was very much in thrall to the teachings of the church at a time when Ireland could reasonably have been described as a theocracy, on par with places like Iran today (without the public executions but with plenty of other forms of nastiness). My Dad's critical faculties were far more developed and while he was also religious, he didn't tow the party line anything like the way my mother did.

Other than that, your parents reaction to your coming out reminded me of a reaction I got from one of my best friends when I came to him in 2012. While he was very supportive,  he was also quite upset that I had never said anything about my feelings before that, all the more so as we had known each other for 36 years.
BTW I also agreed fully that you have a very obvious ressemblance to Barbara Streisand. Can you sing like her too?
Hugs
Donna





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Julia-Madrid

Quote from: Donna E on July 28, 2014, 02:29:24 PM
Danniella,
You put me up to it. It is done and I am awaiting contributions...

The more I think about it, the more I love the idea of arriving in Chett's office and ,when asked what my expectations are regarding GRS, handing him a very detailed written"spec", sitting back and waiting for his reaction.  :)


This is gonna get quite surreal, I can tell...   

I don't know if any of you remember James Clavell's "Tai-Pan", set in Hong Kong, but one of the very secondary characters, if I remember correctly, is a man whom we know only as "Photographer Ng".  One of his sidelines is to track down beautiful women and photograph their intimate parts.  It was rumoured that he had this massive private collection of pictures of starlets and other ladies in public life which were carried about in a suitcase.  I seem to remember that this suitcase falls into the wrong hands, and there is much appreciation of the "delicacy" of certain ladies versus the "frilliness" of others and so on.  ;D

So what would we want from a "designa vagina" hmmm?? 

1)  First question is external appearance.  How do you dress?   Are you into lace or frills?  Do you like clean neat lines?  What about the curtains in your home?  Undulating velvet, Venetian blinds, voile?  Well, for purposes of harmony we'd want this to be consistent, I would imagine.

2)  I'm quite an olfactory person - I can almost shut my eyes and navigate by smell.   I don't think that bubble-gum is an elegant odour, but some folk might like it.  Yeasty, maybe, like a proper croissant, with its warm and welcoming notes.  Or maybe we want something traditional like clams, or if you prefer the "colour", mussles?  Gingerbread could be interesting too, or seaweed?

3)  I was thinking how we would deal with the tactile part, and maybe here the question is related to personality?  Are you combative?  Soft and yielding?   Playful?  Austere?  Let's explore....

- Combative:  you're not just gonna let any ol' joe in - he's going to have to work for his pleasure, so tightness is key.
- Austere:  I'm thinking of a fortress, but how do the gates feel... cold... metallic... dry...?  Urgh... shivers down my spine!
- Soft and yielding:  awww, this is just too cute...you've surely got a Hello Kitty t-shirt somewhere in your wardrobe!
- Playful:  well, this might need some twists and turns, and could be very interesting.  Not sure how it would be built, however!

So friends, as you can see, the results of too much medication are clearly taking their toll on me.  Don't shoot the messenger; go after Novartis or anyone else in Big Pharma!

Juliaaaaaaa
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Donna Elvira

Brilliant contribution Julia,a very emphatic demonstration of the power of concurrent engineering. Also proves without any doubt that your brain is none the worse from the coronal incision you were subjected to on the 24th!  :)

However, since I started a specific thread on the ideal vagina design: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,170242.0.html  maybe you would like to copy paste your contribution over there?


You will immediately notice that you took a far more "arty" tack on the subject to us down to earth engineering types.. :)
Hugs
Donna
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Julia-Madrid

Done!   I must say that these drugs are doing interesting things to my imagination :D
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Monkeymel

Well this seems to have been a lively thread. Although so far the dialog with mum (post op) has been pretty much... I'll carry on rabbiting (talking) away and you just listen or sleep as you feel like. Which is pretty accurate.

In terms of clothing. Just a dark coloured skirt and too to travel back to the clinic in. Certainly won't want to be changing tops at all!
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Vicky

Donna -- Just to warn you, a friend of mine from another site by the name of Kathy is going to be one of your surgery mates over there. Hopefully you and Melissa will treat her right even though she is from Missouri here in the U.S.  She will be there early next week.  Good luck and you will do fine. 

You took my name in vain over in Melissa's thread along with Isabell's, and yes indeed, there will be things going on with you and your recovery that put you in a class of toughness and experience that only another Postie can completely wrap their mind around. This is not for the faint of heart in any way.  Do be ready for a few hours of good crying for any reason you can think of to do it.  I do not encourage people to seek out SRS as much as I used to, in fact now, I rarely do because I realize how deeply personal those first waking moments can be and how much really goes on in them that we cannot ever describe to others no matter how hard we try. Safe voyaging.
I refuse to have a war of wits with a half armed opponent!!

Wiser now about Post Op reality!!
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Donna Elvira

Quote from: Vicky on July 30, 2014, 06:23:30 PM
Donna -- Just to warn you, a friend of mine from another site by the name of Kathy is going to be one of your surgery mates over there. Hopefully you and Melissa will treat her right even though she is from Missouri here in the U.S.  She will be there early next week.  Good luck and you will do fine. 

You took my name in vain over in Melissa's thread along with Isabell's, and yes indeed, there will be things going on with you and your recovery that put you in a class of toughness and experience that only another Postie can completely wrap their mind around. This is not for the faint of heart in any way.  Do be ready for a few hours of good crying for any reason you can think of to do it.  I do not encourage people to seek out SRS as much as I used to, in fact now, I rarely do because I realize how deeply personal those first waking moments can be and how much really goes on in them that we cannot ever describe to others no matter how hard we try. Safe voyaging.

Hi Vicky,
When does she arrive and what day is her surgery scheduled? Also, do you know where she is staying, Rama Gardens or Dusit? I assume you're joking about treating her right even though she is from Missouri....unless of course there has also been an outbreak of Ebola down there in which case I 'll have to remember to pack my protective gown etc.. :)

Hugs
Donna
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Vicky

Hi Donna -- I made a good old fashioned goof here.  My friend is going to have her surgery done by Dr. Pichet,. which I erroneously wrote as Dr. Chett.  Different part of Bangkok, no danger of Ebola either way, the university hospital she retired from last Thursday has not had a patient with the stuff.  Over here in the U.S. we do kid a bit about our State of origin. 
I refuse to have a war of wits with a half armed opponent!!

Wiser now about Post Op reality!!
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Donna Elvira

By this time next week my surgeries will already be behind me and I have to admit that it's a strange thought. Deep down, I am happy to point of elation at the idea that I'm finally getting this done. However another part of my brain, which seems to acting like an external observer as I make my final preparations, keeps telling me that I can't possibly be doing this, that it as all just a crazy dream.

However, my suitcase is packed, my bank account was just debited for a little over 8000€ to the benefit of a certain Dr Chettawut,  I have received good luck messages from most of my family and friends and tomorrow I'm flying out to Bangkok where I expect to meet up with Melissa for lunch on Friday. Based on all of that, I suppose it has to be for real... ???

More seriously, I just never imagined that i would be so serene at this point in time. When I first started thinking seriously about GRS about a year ago, I really thought I would be terrified going into the final straight but in reality I'm just a little apprehensive.  I'll have to admit that all of the feedback provided by Melissa over the last couple of weeks helped me greatly as did the input from others like EB and MadelineB a little earlier.

Given that, even if I'm under no illusions about how uncomfortable the next few weeks are likely to be, I'm very confident about the end result and that should be enough to carry me through.

I'm travelling alone which could add an extra challenge compared to others but so far I have done this with all my surgeries and, barring a major problem, this  suits me best. Skype allows me to stay in touch with the people who count in my life and I am sure I can count on the local team if I'm really in a bind.

With that, next post is likely to be from Bangkok, notably some feedback on Dr Chettawuts reaction to my finely tuned vaginal requirements document!  :)

Hugs
Donna

 
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Julia-Madrid

Go well girl - we'll be thinking of ya!

xxx
J/A
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mrs izzy

Safe trip GF and enjoy the ride.

Keep us updated on the progress.

Hugs
Mrs. Izzy
Trans lifeline US 877-565-8860 CAD 877-330-6366 http://www.translifeline.org/
"Those who matter will never judge, this is my given path to walk in life and you have no right to judge"

I used to be grounded but now I can fly.
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Danniella

Good luck and -enter desired deity here- speed!

Keep us updated!!! :D
You say "Using humor as a defence mechanism" like it's a BAD thing!



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Donna Elvira

Only in Bangkok since Friday morning but already feeling very much at home in a truely remarkable city. That being said I have a love affaire with Asia (including an Asian wife) loving the natural friendliness of the people I have met everywhere I have been so far, the food (except maybe Indonesia which is below par compared to the other places I have been before ie. China and Japan), the extraordinary cultural patrimony and just the energy you feel in all the big Asian cities. Actually, assuming the quality of the surgery is as good as elsewhere, something I believe to be true, it is worth coming here just to experience the place.

Friday, a little tired after a short night, I just settled in but still had time to have lunch with Melissa who looked in really good shape just two and half weeks post surgery and, after a two hour nap,  an excellent dinner with a friend from the company I was working for up until the end of July.

Yesterday morning I had my pre-op appointment and like Melissa, was told I will need  a skin graft to insure the target depth of at least 6". I hesitated about that as I'm not sure I'm ever going to need that sort of depth but, once I better understood the principle, I accepted. Dr Chett explained that the skin for the graft is taken from the thigh in the zone adjacent to the scrotal tissue and adds little to no extra scarring. On that basis and since it should allow me to keep all options open, I decided I might as well go with it rather than experience eventual buyers regret later..   :)

He also sold me on 350cc low profile implants ie. wide base to cover chest but low forward projection. I was clear that I wanted no bigger than B cups and he insisted this would work but I've been thinking about it since and am not totally convinced so I'm going to revisit the subject tomorrow.  In part, having seen quite a lot of trans women who, to me, have boobs that look too big compared to lower body size, I would definitely  prefer to err on the too small rather than too big size.

Other than that, I found the first contact with the team here frankly delightful and came away from the appointment feeling very comfortable with my choice. Given that, I have been using the time since yesterday to enjoy Bangkok as much as possible. It rained very heavily yesterday afternoon so that limited the possibilities but I still got a good feel for the place and quickly found my bearings in a city that is fairly easy to get around by any means of transport except car. From what I can gather, there are more or less permanent traffic jams here, 24/7, on the main arteries going west out of the center. So while taxis are really cheap, when you set out on a journey, you have absolutely no idea how long it will take you to get from point A to point B.

The best option by far is public transport. From the Bangkok Rama where I am staying, it is a 15 min walk to an Airport Rapid Link station (Hua Mak) which will take you into the center of Bangkok in about 15min for 30TBH ie. about 1$. Only problems are the heat and getting across across Srinakarin Rd  road to the station. The latter requires some pretty hairy jay walking reserved for those who have no problem facing down 2 x 4 lanes of constant trafic.  That being said, when you see a cute little Thai lady doing it, you quickly find the necessary moral fiber   :)

Of course, for those who wish to avoid walking you can always take a taxi, about 40TBH for the run from the hotel to the station. The only risks taking a taxi are that you will take considerably longer than 15min and/or that the taxi will get lost. Yes, yes, many of the Bangkok taxi drivers cannot read a map and when you can't explain in detail where you want to go (their English is no better than your Thai), imagining you will arrive at any distant destination requires another act of faith. Happily though, anyone who is doing GRS is using to placing their trust in higher authorities...  :)

The way this post is panning out, it could quickly become a book so I'll probably leave it at that for this evening except for one final remark. Choice between the Dusit Princess and the Rama. Haven seen both, I prefer the Rama. It is not as modern and clean as the Dusit but the rooms are considerably bigger and I would personally far prefer to begin my recovery strolling around in the greenery here at the Rama than at the Seacom shopping mall beside the Dusit.  The staff are probably equally nice and accomodating in both places because that just seems to be the Thai way!

More tomorrow but now time for bed hoping I'll sleep in spite of all the rumbling in my stomach. I walked about 5 hours today and have had nothing to eat since breakfast apart from some liquid food as specified in the preparation instructions.

Hugs from Bangkok!
Donna   
   
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Shantel

Wow Donna, you're right there good luck sweetie!  :icon_bunch:
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angelats

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calicarly

Hi Donna, as I'm on my last preparations and check ups to leave for Belgium I remembered your GRS was around the same time as my FFS, so I came around to this side of the forum looking for your thread and I am pleasantly surprised to read you are there already. My best wishes for your GRS and your BA.

Oh on a side note 350cc will definitely take u over a B cup, particularly on a slim frame like yours, I wouldn't be surprised if that left you more like a D, although the low projection is a good idea, and makes them less porn star looking. I went for the big look, I had 460 which is only 110 cc's more and I ended up with an E cup... I would think maybe 300 cc's also low profile max to get the look you want. I am sure dr Chet just doesn't get a lot of request for girls that want to be conservative so he may have a hard time understanding what you really want here... It definitely would be worth talking about again.

I can only say that I am really happy for you and I wish you the best of the best on this life changing trip. May you feel a wonderful re-birth like most ladies talk about. And thank you for giving those of us anxiously waiting out turn, that glimmer of hope in the horizon to see that day in the distance reflected from your experience.

Good luck my dear !

Low dose HRT-2004
Full time and full dose HRT-2009
BA/Rhinoplasty-May 2013
FFS-Aug 2014
Body contouring-Jan 2015
GRS- Feb 2016
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Donna Elvira

Quote from: calicarly on August 18, 2014, 06:27:27 AM

Oh on a side note 350cc will definitely take u over a B cup, particularly on a slim frame like yours, I wouldn't be surprised if that left you more like a D, although the low projection is a good idea, and makes them less porn star looking. I went for the big look, I had 460 which is only 110 cc's more and I ended up with an E cup... I would think maybe 300 cc's also low profile max to get the look you want. I am sure dr Chet just doesn't get a lot of request for girls that want to be conservative so he may have a hard time understanding what you really want here... It definitely would be worth talking about again.

I can only say that I am really happy for you and I wish you the best of the best on this life changing trip. May you feel a wonderful re-birth like most ladies talk about. And thank you for giving those of us anxiously waiting out turn, that glimmer of hope in the horizon to see that day in the distance reflected from your experience.

Good luck my dear !

Thanks Carly, Shantel and Angelats!
One day closer and still very relaxed and in excellent form, this in spite of the on-going rumblings from my stomach! Hard to feel full on a diet of liquid yoghurt, clear soup and green tea.  :) That being said, it's not as difficult as I imagined and, as I knew this was coming, I had deliberately put on a bit of extra weight over the last month so I'll get over it.

Other than that, it seems like Dr Chett read your mind Carly as, after some push back from me this morning, he suggested 320cc would probably work OK. Apparently how you massage afterwards also has a lot of impact on final appearance so between dilation and breast massaging, it looks like I'll be a busy lady for the next couple of months. Based on your input, I may push him to go down to 300cc so thanks for that.

Other than that, today was just a little shopping and relaxing with a book beside the swimming pool, conviently located about 15m from my cottage. On that score, it's worth mentioning that the Rama is a very peaceful place to be but at the same time, there is a big Tesco supermarket about 500m from the hotel and on the street outside there are loads of restaurants catering for the locals that I am just dying to try. Hopefully that will start from the end of August.

Hugs
Donna



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mrs izzy

If i do not to catch you before you head in let me say now i wish you the best in your surgeries.

I for sure will see you on the other side.

Hugs and have you in my thoughts.
Mrs. Izzy
Trans lifeline US 877-565-8860 CAD 877-330-6366 http://www.translifeline.org/
"Those who matter will never judge, this is my given path to walk in life and you have no right to judge"

I used to be grounded but now I can fly.
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Shantel

You will be in my thoughts Donna, wishing for success, quick recovery and wonderful results!
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Donna Elvira

Last day of waiting, more or less confined to barracks given the procedures to be followed. Happily I am now completely settled in, with a well stocked fridge in provision for my return from surgery next Sunday. After a few days of poor internet acces, that is now also fixed and with my VPN I have no difficulty accessing my inflight entertainment system, Netflix. I haven't used it much yet but expect I will be very happy to have it for first 10 days of post-surgery recovery when you can't really move very much. 

Otherwise, I'm really very hungry today and since tomorrow will be the fourth day in a row with no solid food, I expect I'll have some catching up to do next week. The fact is, I have noticed that those that arrive less in advance for their surgery get away with a shorter period of preparation. I understood it was already the case for EB who only arrived two days before surgery and this morning I met a young lady from Oregan who arrived yesterday and who will have her operation on Thursday, thus getting away with one day less dieting than me. 

However my push back on the breast implant size bore fruit and I will finally be getting 260cc low profile implants which should give me the sort of result I wanted ie. little extra forward projection compared to today but more volume across all the surface of my chest. I feel far more comfortable with that and am now pretty well raring to go, the happiness at finally being here largely overriding my apprehension about the surgery per se.

For those of you who are thinking of doing your surgery with Chett, it's worth mentioning that here at the Rama, we basically have a GRS alley ie. an alley of bungalows where pretty well everyone is either going to do GRS or has already done GRS. This means that even if you travel alone, there are always people to talk to. However,  I have also noticed that everyone is very respectful of everyone else so you socialize as much as you like...or not. 

That's sort of it and while I certainly would not say it's an anticlimax, I have been pleasantly surprised about how cool the whole experience has been since arriving here.

With that, time to share a few photos from my weekend:

1. Royal palace


2. Guardian of the temple


3. Down by the riverside, down by the riverside...



4.  Nerve fiber density à la thaîlandaise..  :)



5. An ode to GRS à la thaïlandaise..  :)  :)



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