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The "Transgender" vs "Transsexual" terminology

Started by YinYanga, August 09, 2014, 12:27:08 PM

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YinYanga


Hi hi

Recently I got into a conversation with a fellow transitioner (MtF) and we got to the topic of self-identification: transgender vs transsexual. She sees herself as transsexual and thinks transgender is a misnomer and for me its vice versa, it's just that I am not judgemental about people using either and getting to know someone personally is a better way to avoid the label altogether

It's hard when I get called transsexual because to me that term would mean something completely different: sexual attraction to (trans-people). I thought this was about gender, so I adopted TG.

While I am typing this I feel its more of a non-issue than I sometimes read it is. Some people are really adamant to point out the difference. Sure I know TG is more of an umbrella term and TS falls under it but for me they mean the same ...in my case

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Jessica Merriman

Transgender: an inclusive umbrella term which covers anyone who transcends their birth gender for any reason. This includes but is not limited to Androgynes, Crossdressers, Drag kings, Drag queens, Intersexuals, Transsexuals, and ->-bleeped-<-s.

Transsexual: a person who is mentally one gender, but has the body of the other. They desire to live and be accepted as a member of the mental gender, this is generally accompanied by the strong desire to make their body as congruent as possible with the preferred sex through surgery and hormone treatments.

Sexual preference or attraction does not figure into it. :)
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YinYanga


I'm not confused about it, its the 'they are false transsexuals' I get from some people when the word transgender is uttered
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Jessica Merriman

Quote from: YinYanga on August 09, 2014, 12:32:53 PM
its the 'they are false transsexuals' I get from some people when the word transgender is uttered
Huh??? ???
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GnomeKid

I agree with Jessica's definitions. 

Someone who is attracted to trans people would be a transophile or something like that (I just made that word up).  Examples: "Androphile" (people attracted to men), "Gynephile" (people attracted to women), and I think we all unfortunately are aware of "Pedophile"
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YinYanga

I tried making my post understandable but I guess it needs work ^^
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FTMDiaries

Jessica's nailed it, but I think there's also a political issue behind the 'transgender' vs. 'transsexual' debate... and the OP has hinted at it.

In the minds of a lot of people who aren't familiar with trans* issues, the use of 'sexual' in 'transsexual' lumps it into the same category as 'heterosexual' or 'homosexual'; i.e. they think of it as being a sexual orientation or fetish. And because they (generally) don't understand other people's sexualities and they think anything outside their own narrow experience is 'deviant', they tend to think of transsexual people as being a bunch of perverts.  ::)

Now, transsexuals have as much right to be perverted as anyone else >:-) but of course that's not at all what the the term means. The term is about transitioning from being recognised as a member of one sex, to being recognised as a member of the other sex. It's got nothing to do with who you're attracted to.

But people who are unfamiliar with trans* issues just don't get that and they find it confusing. So the term 'transgender' is preferred by those who have experienced trying to get past other people's knee-jerk responses whenever the word 'sex' is mentioned.





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Jessica Merriman

I get it now. the PUBLICS perception. not yours. Thanks FTM! Yes, the public is very ignorant of the proper terms. That is one reason I never thought about going stealth at all. So I could help educate the public by being a visible source of information. Problem is I pass too well.  ::)
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YinYanga

Thats exactly what I felt aswell but I missed my point a little, couldn't word it rightly and I dont want to get into a silly fight about this

It's more of an internalized issue for me, hard to explain but I prefer the term I'm most comfy with.

No real right or wrong, just worry that outsiders might perceive me wrongly
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Jessica Merriman

Quote from: YinYanga on August 09, 2014, 12:50:13 PM
No real right or wrong, just worry that outsiders might perceive me wrongly
As long as you are happy and comfortable with yourself who caress what they think!  :) They will always find something offensive or strange from clothes, to shoes, to hair style, etc. You can't please them so quit trying. Their opinions should not affect or guide your happiness.  :)
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YinYanga

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on August 09, 2014, 12:54:48 PM
As long as you are happy and comfortable with yourself who caress what they think!  :) They will always find something offensive or strange from clothes, to shoes, to hair style, etc. You can't please them so quit trying. Their opinions should not affect or guide your happiness.  :)

I actually do care about it....and its non-sensical, but I keep doing it. Physicially transitioning might be easier for me than some others but you need to have the right mindset too, it's something I need to keep working on sadly

Anyway, topic was lively enough for me  ;)
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suzifrommd

In some circles "transsexual" has fallen out of favor because of the "sexual" root that misleads people into thinking this has something to do with sexual behavior.
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Adam (birkin)

Quote from: suzifrommd on August 09, 2014, 02:35:42 PM
In some circles "transsexual" has fallen out of favor because of the "sexual" root that misleads people into thinking this has something to do with sexual behavior.

This is why, initially, I used transgender. But if we go by definition, I'm a transsexual, and that's generally the word I use now.
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Lonicera

While I expect it will be technically accurate post-transition, I doubt I'll ever use transsexual because I dislike quite a few of negative associations. While there's the 'sexual' aspect already mentioned, I've watched far too many people use the term as if it makes them more legitimate and superior to others. While I have no doubt that's only a teeny tiny minority and totally respect personal choice to use it as a descriptor, it sullied the word for me. I would think of people like True Transsexuals or other vicious exclusionary transsexual people every time I use it. I don't want that link to them, no matter how small, because I reject such mentalities wholeheartedly. I also dislike the fact that it seems to lend itself to use as a noun far more than transgender does but I expect my perception may be totally inaccurate there. I like words that are more commonly used as adjectives so that it is a part of who I am rather than what I am.

Personally, I prefer transgender because I think it'll be a more accurate descriptor of me and will allow me a nice sense of being a bit unified with the rest of a diverse umbrella at all times. Of course, my preference is probably due to the fact I don't really see a distinction between sex and gender, I see them as a giant reflexive wibbly wobbly thingy so regard my transition as one of largely gendered things, even the physical.
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Jessica Merriman

Quote from: Lonicera on August 09, 2014, 03:22:21 PM
I would think of people like True Transsexuals or other vicious exclusionary transsexual people every time I use it.
I thought we were all trans regardless. True Transsexuals? Is there a false one? I could be missing something here though.  ???
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Lonicera

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on August 09, 2014, 03:26:47 PM
I thought we were all trans regardless. True Transsexuals? Is there a false one? I could be missing something here though.  ???
I agree entirely but they do not from experience, they regard themselves as legitimate while declaring other people are illegitimate if they don't conform exactly to their standards. They are 'true' and others are false or fake. I've seen incredibly nasty and insidious attacks from them on other trans people that they're willing to throw under the bus because they see them as a political disadvantage.
"In the middle of the journey of our life, I came to myself in a dark wood, where the straight way was lost. It is a hard thing to speak of, how wild, harsh and impenetrable that wood was, so that thinking of it recreates the fear. It is scarcely less bitter than death: but, in order to tell of the good that I found there, I must tell of the other things I saw there." - Dante Alighieri
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Jessica Merriman

Quote from: Lonicera on August 09, 2014, 03:34:07 PM
they regard themselves as legitimate while declaring other people are illegitimate if they don't conform exactly to their standards.
Oh I get it now. I have seen this once or twice, but I don't let it get to me. They are just shallow transier than thou types. ::)
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Susan522

I think that anyone should be able to "identify" just any way they choose.  However, I think that it is wrong and prejudicial to slander those who do identify as transsexual (or even post transsexual), just because some idiot gve you a bad time.

Also I think that choosing to see no distinction between sex and gender and choosing to 'identify" it as just "some giant reflexive wibbly wobbly thingy" is just choosing to be willfully ignorant.
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YinYanga


I might be "MtF Transgender'  and you might like the label 'MtF Transsexual' more

Slightly different font on the wrapping, same essence
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