Quote from: Ativan Prescribed on September 25, 2014, 10:40:33 AM
I agree. I've become aware that it is as strong as ever. Defensive reasoning to protect a singular world view.
Binary privilege exists to such an extent that there are non-binaries who accept it in their own thinking.
It has existed for so long that it is considered the normal, there are even those who aren't able to recognize it, and make excuses in defense of it.
Even in some who consider themselves to not be binary, they still accept it as the normal, defending it as if it is.
So when the going gets tough, accept it and go to the beach and explain it to the wind that is there as well.
Ativan
Ativan, I disagree.
There are non-binaries such as myself who still have the binary thinkings (not privileges) in my head, such as the female <-> androgynous <-> male line. On days, it is easier to explain to binary member in
their terms and language rather than resorting to a language that can confuse them further and where it can be easily misinterpreted as something else entirely. I view gender as being as vast as the universe but when it comes to speaking to my binary cis-friends, I will use a more simple language. Not in the attempt to be insulting to them but to make it
easier for them to understand as they only know that a line exists... then later, it will become apparent to them that there is much more than a simple line.
Until then, I ask so what?
If someone views gender as a line rather than a spectrum... so what? If as you say, there are non-binaries who carry binary privileges, so what?
You cannot change people and you certainly cannot encourage change by implying that binary privileges is alive within the non-binary community. Really, what do you expect that will do? It will only serve to divide a community. Now, if there were some truth in your words, I would be agreeing with you but as far as I know, from what I have witnessed on the forums and in PMs, the non-binaries have been nothing but accepting, open-minded and viewing gender as vast as the universe. Sure, there are non-binaries who are struggling, such as myself and others but that does not mean they should be punished and blamed for having binary privileges.
That is outrageous and very disrespectful.
What is most disturbing is that you will speak about non-binaries carrying binary privileges, yet you will not speak about your poor behavior on the forum and during PMs. You have had your PM privileges removed because you were disrespectful and abusing members of the forums.
You may believe you were right, that you were fiercely protecting the non-binary community but I assure you, you have done the exact opposite. I used to hold in you in such high regard as a wise, respectable individual... now, while I do agree with posts you make, this one I cannot because I now know that you are so rigid in your non-binary thinking that you will attack others on the forum, especially if they struggle to understand non-binaries or the thinking behind it.
You should welcome others with acceptance, even if they struggle to understand at first. That you do not and continue to insist there is binary privilege alive within the non-binary community... this illustrates your true thinking.
That you have non-binary privilege running through your veins.
Non-binaries are not better than anyone. You are not better than anyone else here, you are on equal grounds with everyone else. I would encourage you to please start treating everyone with the same respect, whether they are non-binary or binary.
That is the difference between you and many others here.
If you wish to discuss binary privileges among the non-binary community, I highly encourage you to make a new thread - just as dearest Dread_Faery made one for Binary Privileges. I do not desire such a topic in my thread which was originally created to point out the similarities in a
positive manner. Therefore, it is not welcome in my thread.
You may argue that it is a similarity between non-binary and binary members but it is not a
positive similarity that will bring a community closer.
Thank you,
Kind regards,
Jacey
Quote from: Mark3 on September 25, 2014, 11:55:36 PM
I know that understanding the differences / similarities within us is part of being non binary, and deserves thought and discussion, but for now, I have no more interest in labels, differences or similarities. I just want to be part of Susan's place, period, and be equally supportive and interact with the whole board. I want to feel like family with the whole board, not just one forum. Maybe I'm crazy.?
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