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Two sides of the same coin... or was it three?

Started by Taka, November 12, 2014, 06:27:59 AM

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Taka

duality seems to be part of my life, and sometimes i can't even sort it all out very well.
it's in the way i think, the way i see. the way i listen or understand.
the world is two or three, things moving sideways rather than in a straight line.
i often find myself on the other side not knowing how i ended up there.
some days it scares me. other days, i love it.
most days, it's just the way it is, and i can only go with whatever my head wants to make up that that day, hour, minute.

we have talked a little about darkness, and i want to talk about it more.
talk without thinking, as soon as i start thinking, the words lose their meaning, and i'm left all alone in my own darkness again.

[do you need any trigger warnings? this gets dark.]

people use to talk about two sides of the same coin.
there's darkness and light, as an example.
male an female for another.

i have problems understanding how male and female work.
my understanding seems incomplete, or i seem incomplete.
it's impossible to figure it out, one day i know for sure, the next, every concept of gender has completely escaped my mental grasp.

but this was supposed to be about darkness and the two sides of that coin.
because the darkness is that different to me, or within me.
light on one side. the light seems simple, easy to deal with when i don't feel like rejecting it.
the darkness is different. it seems to have two sides to it. or maybe more.

i have been struggling with depression and anxiety for a while.
not this while, but the last year while. and the year before that.
the years before that again, were only lost to depression.
this is supposed to be relatable to gender in some way, but i'm not sure i'm able to do that.
my genders mix too much, i'm only rarely sure of what i am.

there was a long time when i didn't understand the depression at all.
it's a really weird thing, to live in a world where color doesn't make any impression.
or maybe it does, but that only enhances the darkness.
something has been wrong most of my life. i couldn't relate to people in a meaningful way.
i couldn't find that motivation to do anything at all.
all the things that people told me about motivating factors, made no sense.
the reasons are hidden in darkness.

i was once again, this last weekend, reminded of how some of that darkness came to be.
i react quite badly to abuse, and to love. and i have no idea if this is a reaction to abuse, or something that's always been inside me.
maybe the cause doesn't even matter, the darkness has always been there as far as i can remember.

i cried a lot as a child. but i can only remember rare occasion when i cried out of sadness or despair.
i cried when i was scared. and i cried when i was angry.
something seems to have been different about me as a child, i never rebelled, rarely got angry.
or so it would seem, but i cried a lot when i was angry.
that feeling of rage might have been too overwhelming for me.
or i might have missed out on learning how to deal with it in a normal way because negative emotions weren't permitted for me.
i was most definitely afraid of being beaten up, losing the little affection my parents ever gave me, or the opportunity to ever meet friends again.
they had the power to lock me in the house, to abuse emotionally so severely that i didn't even dare try to run away.
so i never learned to deal with rage, or maybe i never really had a normal reaction anyway.

i got angry with my parents a lot, which of course means i cried a lot.
crying was the only way i could release anger and frustration in a safe way.
i was quite terrified of the impulse to destroy.
i never wanted to just scream. i wanted to burn the house down, but didn't because it was my only "home".
i wanted to break everything that could be broken by my hands, or feet.
maybe i was afraid of expressing anger because i didn't know if i could stop destroying if i ever were to begin.

i'm thinking that depression came about because i had too much anger and nowhere to direct it.
so i turned rather self destructive instead. and fled reality by reading fiction.
books had worlds where i could be whatever i wanted to be. preferably a pirate or fighter pilot, but medicine man or warrior worked too.
i really just flipped that coin of darkness, and instead of being angry with the abusers, i became angry of my self, who couldn't stand up against them.
killing myself also seemed like a much better option than killing my sister's parents. i love my siblings after all, and always have.
i never acted on those feelings. i only felt them, and let them destroy me.

the gender stuff in all this would be how a whole side of me was never allowed to express itself in childhood.
the boy was never nurtured, and i think he'd be much better at dealing with anger than this girl who ended up unable to react with anything other than wanting to kill and destroy. not like i understood this much back then, and i may still be wrong about it.

when i high school, bad things happened because i tried to be a good girl and failed to realize i was doing it wrong.
my image of a woman is on one side the mother bear who protects with her own life if needed, and on the other side an ideal that doesn't really exist.
and then when bad things happened, sexual abuse by someone i thought i could trust, i tried to take it like a man.
that's not how a woman deals with thing, probably. i don't know though, because i'm no good at talking to women about women stuff, so there are things i have no idea how are supposed to work.

but i try to take it like a man, and not being a man, i fail hard. quite an obvious result, don't you think?
but then again, i also am a man, so failing at it really only made matters worse.
understanding how much of a man i really am when i just grew up a little, didn't really make things better though.
there's something lacking to my manliness, sides of me that i don't understand.
a very debilitating anxiety grew out from failing my responsibilities as a... man.
it's kind of hilarious after having tried so hard to become a perfect woman, but that's what happened.

all this leads to a darkness that wishes to destroy me, and it wishes to destroy the world.
it took time to sort out, a really long time.
when i looked at myself, trying to figure out my feelings, i find a girl who's been left behind. at different ages.
they all have different feelings about what's going on, and what went on back then.
acknowledging them and allowing them to rest, telling them that i would take care of everything for them, was one key to getting out of depression.
another one was to find that guy who's been trying all my life to fix things without ever succeeding.
he really needed some comfort too.

i think he's the one who's been holding me back when i wanted to do stupid things.
he has a calmness about him that the female side doesn't know how to find.

i kind of learned how to switch modes. it works about the same as turning on or off a light switch.
except that light switches are much more tangible, and thus easier to use.
the light is something that the feminine, happy, and fabulous me loves. "she" can enjoy it in a way that the less feminine side doesn't feel a need to.
but "he" doesn't like the dark much either, so he totally likes enjoying the light with her.

but this last weekend, darkness was triggered again, rather unexpectedly.
it's a highly destructive darkness, perfectly feminine in its nature, directed at a neighbor who violated my younger brothers.
of course the manlier side of me is angry too, but he doesn't feel that strong a need to torture people half to death for the rest of eternity.
for a few days, i've been struggling to pull myself out of that darkness. and failing.
my rage burns hot, and it's kind of difficult to not burn innocent bystanders.
i'm really glad i have that other side to me, who can pull me away from that dark bottomless pit, put rage on a chair and tell her to stay.
the calm is kind of cold, it can go ice cold if need be. that's another great way to (frost) burn other people though.
but it's easier to control, a cold person can still pretend love and affection when it's needed.

i really like the balanced and happy me better.
feeling the love i have for my family is much better than just knowing it exists somewhere in there and i'd regret later if i disregard that knowledge now.

well. i think i feel a little better having written this.
would be funny if anyone read the whole thing through. there's no real need to do that, the need was for me to write it down.
i've found that giving my darkness some room to be, makes it easier to deal with than trying to shut it in a tiny box and pretend it's not there.
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Mark3

I read it.. Gladly..
Some things reminded me of childhood years, yet in a different way from my experiences.

I'm glad you shared..
"The soul is beyond male and female as it is beyond life and death."
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ErinWDK

I read this also.  You are not alone.

In many ways what you had to say reminded me of me.  Except when I was little I DID randomly scream - rather a lot.  And yes depression has been woven through my life.  I also have a male side and a female side.  It is a bit of a surprise since I am MAAB that the female side is alot stronger.  However, two years into therapy, I see that the female side had scraps of nurturing while the male side had none.  Then there is what I call a wall of fiery anger deep inside, and he is protecting the most damaged little boy (or baby) part.  Suffering emotional abuse at an early age leaves horrible scars...

All I can offer is cyber hugs! :icon_hug:


Erin
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Taka

i wasn't really looking for hugs, but thanks erin.

i'm only writing to reveal myself to myself, and let friends have a glimpse of it.
troubles seem to become smaller just by letting someone else know they exist.
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ErinWDK

Quote from: Taka on November 12, 2014, 09:22:41 AM
troubles seem to become smaller just by letting someone else know they exist.

Yes they do!  Write away!


Erin
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Satinjoy

Ouch.

I am reminded of ativan.  I see parallels.

And my duality has changed.  If female is milk and male chocolate, I became chocolate milk, sometimes more chocolate, sometimes more milk, but blended.

The anger, pain, books, feelings, I identify with much.

You help me taka.

Struggling today, reading a spec page over and over, retaining nothing.  Just one of those days, I need to stay in the now, I still fear the enormous power of my female body and component, the male is less in control.  Less chocolate, more milk.

I pull on your great strength.  I am sure we all do, and you my dear are free to pull on mine, Satinjoy is full of compassion and light.  Only fear shuts that Down.

I read it.  Thank you for telling it.

Blessings

Satinjoy
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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Asche

I don't know if it  helps, but I think I have some vague idea of what you're going through.  If listening helps, I'll listen.  I'm probably 5000+ km from you, but I'll try to be there in spirit (as you have been for me.)

+ + +

If reading what someone else feels helps, here's what your words call up in me:

I know how being male is supposed to make you tough and invulnerable to all the c*** that the world (and family :( ) can throw at you.  It never worked for me, maybe because I couldn't make myself be the John Wayne nobody-can-hurt-me tough-guy male.  And I've realized, I don't want to, either.  I take anti-depressants to dull the pain enough to function, to do my work and be there for my kids, but I'd rather feel the pain than not.  If that makes me a girl (as everyone around me told me when I was a kid), then I'll be a girl.  To me, being invulnerable isn't any different from being dead.  And if I wanted to be dead, there are quicker and less painful ways to get there.

I hope this doesn't make you feel less understood.
"...  I think I'm great just the way I am, and so are you." -- Jazz Jennings



CPTSD
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Taka

this isn't so much about being understood, as understanding myself, admitting to myself, and offering you an opportunity to know me better.
i'm sure there's been enough darkness in your life too, asche. it really sounds like it. and even if the darkness amd reasons are different from mine, it's still something to struggle with. i hope writing your own feelings to me, will also help you deal with your own darkness.
i'm sure that by sharing, we'll start to see colors between intersections of darkness. maybe even specks of pure white light here and there.
it's human nature to share knowledge and experience, and i have a feeling that one of the reasons why darkness grows so deep, is that we don't share this experience. mayne out of fear of rejection, maybe because we don't want to burden others. but knowledge is supposed to be shared, it has to be shared, in order for humanity to progress. that's how science developed, and that's how our experiences of gender, social norms, light, dark, happiness, and struggles, will be processed in a good and constuctive way, which in turn will lead to a more open society where colors are appreciated and nobody needs to fear another's judgement.
or at least i hope that will happen if we can just start to open our closed doors so other people can see that we aren't all too different.

looks like i forgot how to be dark again...

satinjoy.
it's funny how you are reminded of ativan. we aren't really all that similar, but i do feel like there's a kind of commonality, something shared that makes sense even before it was identified. it's not wrong of you to see those parallels, and i find it fascinating that you also see some of this that i have known since the first time i exchanged words with that person.

it's also nice to know there's other people out there who like books. did you want to become a pirate though..?
i'm also sorry that books weren't quite enough for you. fiction and fantasy are my only addictions, you seem to not have been this lucky.
i think i probably lack that addiction gene. lucky me, one thing that never went wrong.
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Dread_Faery

Thank you for sharing that Taka. I know what it's like living with darkness and I think I understand your darkness a little bit better now.

I also lost myself in books, except I broke through the pages and ended up living in my own story and I've never really gone back to the "real" world. Which was actually more of a nightmare.
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Taka

i think you'll have to explain the difference between the real world and the one you're living in now, cerys...
i'm not too sure i live in the real world either, people tell me it's not as great as the one i see.
and then at other times, i hear the world is much better than what i see.
kind of depends a little on my moods.

reality is either overrated or underrated. seems it depends on the viewpoint.
i like reality because it's an unwritten story. it's impossible to know what happens next.
some things can be predicted, just like how a story usually flows.
but reality has a ways of breaking all predictions and throwing one surprise after another at you.
i think how i deal with the surprises determines whether i live in heaven or hell.
reality itself, with no feelings or hopes or desperation attached, is too weird to really understand.
it can be a wonder or a nightmare.

i had to meet my current boss before i could start to see the wonders of the world.
he's something of a philosopher, more of a spiritual being than an actual physical person.
some would perhaps call it a shaman. definitely not a typical war chief, he even insists on calling me a colleague rather than underling or minion.
his views have open new paths for me, and i can see unlimited possibilities where i could only see death before.

my reality is created inside my head. but that's also what makes people so interesting.
getting new friends opens new worlds to me.
a fascinating thing.
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Dread_Faery

I'm not sure, obviously the world I inhabit is real, I would imagine the other world to be a cold hard place filled with logic and where everything is as it seems. I live in a world where I've met dragons and even my goddess, I asked her for something and she gave it to me, I'm just waiting to see what I have to do in return.
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Taka

that logical world seems rather fake to me. maybe that's because i grew up in a society where the spirit world is just another part of the real world.
not believing seems like the crazier option, though it also has a very dark shadow side to it.
i wouldn't be me if the world were nothing but cold logic.
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Dread_Faery

I write stories as well, and I've lost track of where the stories end and I begin.
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Taka

i'd love to read more of your stories.
i often think i have too much grasp on reality.
i know where stories end and i begin. what a boring way of life.
i couldn't even manage to suppress bad memories or develop any disorders. outside some more general depression and anxiety ofc.
still... i also daydream too much, and easily lose track of who i am presenting as, or even who i am in a timeline related sense.

i have some characters whose stories i want to write, but i have no idea where to start.
maybe i should start writing all the half truths about myself. wonder if anyone would read them.
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Shantel

I want to comment but can't because I don't understand it and won't pretend that I do, it wouldn't be fair to you in any event. This did bring to mind fleeting thoughts of unrelated things equally as confusing, The Three Faces of Eve for one and my youngest son who I haven't seen in years is another. He is bipolar and refuses treatment, has been arrested for assault twice I see according to an online detective agency. He suffers from muscular dystrophy and is angry, seems that he made a home with a lesbian, she kicked her girlfriend out and they had a baby together. He hates me and his mother for no reason, we always loved him. I see his baby and little boy pictures in the family photo montage on the wall and I cry for him, I miss my little boy, dangerous as he is it is for the best!
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HoneyStrums

I'm glad you wrote it, one because you say you felt better and two because I to put rage on hold (I don't gender it) but I still put it on hold, and it is terryfting to think about drastick vengfull deeds, and to not want to act on the thoughts. And become scared of a possibility that no matter howw much you don't want to in some way you might.

I smiled reading this (I hope I don't seem un-caring) but it was nice to know that I'm not the only person frightened of acting on their angry thoughts.
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Taka

hating for no reason rarely happens. he probably just has reasons that don't make sense to you.
my mother says i have no reason to be angry with her for anything, because she always loved me so much and did everything in my best interest. she even regrets some bad mistakes that she made.
but that doesn't make my reason to be angry disappear.
sometimes, these things happen because parents fail to find a way to communicate properly, and the child isn't able to show the parents the right way to get through to them. communication is a really difficult thing, and there's still a danger of me failing with my daughter. though it's a lot easier when she doesn't have any disorder that makes communication even more difficult than it already is with kids.

one thing to keep in mind when dealing with kids, is that a single event of bullying in kindergarten can result in the kid dropping out of high school due to depression, anxiety, lack of trust in people, or whatever other negative effects that may have had. children are most vulnerable when they are young, and one single mistake can ruin the relationship between parent and child.

that doesn't mean you did anything wrong. children have a tendency to interpret events their own way, and the parent's intentions don't always come across at all. your son could be angry just because of some misunderstanding that wasn't cleared up soon enough.

the reason i'm angry with my mother isn't that she made mistakes, but rather that she never told me they were mistakes. so i thought she meant it.
there are other thing too though, like her being an impossible person to talk to. that's not a mistake on her part, it's pure abuse even though she doesn't understand it herself. love doesn't justify her lack of will to communicate with me or that she never even tried to understand me. never allowed me to be myself, but instead imposed her own ideals on me.

anyway... uhh...
i'm not meaning to criticize you. just telling you that there may be some perspective that you aren't seeing because you aren't your son.
reasons are often things that matter to one but not the other, things we fail to see. or just a moment when we forgot to listen.
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Shantel

I know what the hatred is about. He is angry because I got upset at him for destroying the walls and doors, splitting door jambs with his feet. He is angry because I called the police and forcibly made him move out when he threw my desktop computer and fax machine on the floor and shook his mother like a rag doll and yelled at her to F--- herself. He has explosive anger episodes over nothing threatening a police officer with a baseball bat as the officer pointed his 9mm handgun at his head in self defense. He can be sweet one minute and become a modern day demon possession case the next. I love him because he's my youngest son, but he's a dangerous menace to everyone. He's angry because he doesn't understand why I get upset at being awakened at 3AM and have to change a flat tire for him on the Interstate. He's angry because I found his crack pipe.

I was a little irritated about what you said, but I'm glad you did because it gave me a chance to mentally review all the reasons he isn't here anymore and come to think of it I don't miss any of that!
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Taka

well, that's good then.
he's apparently angry at you for a whole lot of the wrong reason then.
i have no trust in parents at all, and that's why i wrote what i wrote. i'll always ask what the parent did wrong before blaming the child.
but knowing what you meant, even i can see that the problem lies with your son's thoughts about what is acceptable behavior.
it's sad though, that he doesn't have any will or doesn't see any reason to improve.

my youngest brother has a lot of somewhat similar problems with anger, but he ay least can blame it on our mother selling him to the devil despite his tries to resist. she managed to incite a sort of anger inside him that can easily create a lot of trouble for him later in life. but he's at least somewhat calm and doesn't make a point of destroying things.
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EchelonHunt

Taka, I read your story and I got chills down my spine.

When I was a child, I knew I was different from others. Not just my intersex birth condition but something about my personality, I was not able to "click" with children my age as easily as others managed to.
I became friends with a bright young boy who stood out from all the rest, he was well-liked by everyone and very nice to me. He came over to my house and brought a ton of superhero costumes over so we could play dress-ups.

He zoomed around the house in a Superman outfit, I did in a Spiderman outfit, then later on, the Red Power Ranger. I was avid fan of the Power Rangers in the old days, the red Power Ranger was to me, a hero, someone I wanted to be. Someone worthy who could help others in time of need.

I was insecure from a young age. I wore a kitty tail and as you know from that story, I was ultimately told to stop wearing it - when I didn't, they took it away from me. It wasn't just the tail, I would drink milk from a bowl like a kitten. At one stage, I would only talk to my parents in cat meows, nuzzles or hisses. Later on, I would run around the backyard, taking delight in being Ash Ketchum (rather than Misty!) and finding imaginary creatures lurking behind every tree or stone. I collected all the figurines and the VHS back in the day. A few years later, I got into Sailor Moon, while I still loved Poke'mon, I collected all the Sailor Moon wands, the dolls and even wanted to grow my hair out long like Sailor Moon's. Long story short, I realized long hair is a lot of maintenance and my teenage self wasn't patient enough to wait for the hair to grow, much less put effort into maintaining it.

When I was older, I discovered the joys of cosplay, I could buy costumes and wigs online and dress up as my favorite anime character at the conventions or just around the house. Most amusing thing is all I dressed up as were male characters, this was years before I would come out as transgender to my family. Pretending to be an anime character gave me a thrill, it gave me a day to escape myself and my miserable life where I was unhappy. But at the end of the day, I still had myself to come back to so I knew cosplay wasn't going to solve my problems I had with myself. Day-dreaming was another activity I found myself slipping into without being conscious of it. I would always be scolded in class or at home for being "away with the fairies" and I would always be confused because I would be hanging with Pikachu, not fairies - duh! But of course, at Susans, now there are plenty of fairies to play with! :)

Upon discovering anime, I realized there were people who could create their own original characters. I had always been fascinated with stories but it never occurred to me that I could write my own stories about my own unique worlds or characters. I began to visually act out scenes for my stories when I would go to bed at night. There was a common theme - main character gets beaten up and he gets back up again... the basis of survival, if you will. I would pretend to feel their pain and their struggle, be it flashbacks of traumatic memories, being physically hit, raped or being a victim of emotional abuse, it was sort of "punishment" I could not put life into my characters unless I felt I could understand their pain and suffering on a personal level. The imagination can be a wild thing and now, having personal experiences with rape and other kinds of abuse, I am able to construct my characters to be that much more realistic than before.

I held anger in my adolescence. It was a type of anger that still settles within me right now but for a different purpose - back then, I was angry at the world and myself... now I am more or less angry about gender stereotypes and the lack of equality yet I have accepted I am trans. I no longer angst about being trans (thank god). I have struggled with suicidal thoughts and at one point, even entertained homicidal thoughts... no thanks to anti-depressants! I would have dreams of murdering people but they would almost always look faceless like mannequins, it was as if my subconscious knew that if they had a face, a name, a family, the overwhelming guilt would be too much and I wouldn't be able to express my anger properly in the dream state. Drawing and writing stories became my outlet for my anger and frustration, nowadays, sewing is a hobby I enjoy and the hum of the machine calms me more than I ever thought it could.

I have been told when I was a child to stop crying because I was embarrassing (my parents) at the time. It was one moment but it stayed with me forever. I have not cried since, I cry more freely in my dreams though, it is the only place where I can truly express myself. Emotions have always been a fiddly thing for me to control, a slippery fish that always gets away. Sometimes, I wonder whether I should stop catching fish that cannot be caught and just let the fish be. My lack of romantic and sexual attraction to others has made me turn away on the values of love, sex and family. Those values are of no interest to me at all, never have been for years and most likely will not change in the future but don't quote me on that! The future can be unpredictable as always.

All I feel on a daily basis is depression, anxiety, anger, hyperactivity and default... which can be a combination of the former. I now laugh at myself because once upon a time or quite recently, I proudly claimed to be empathetic to others or that I was an empath. I can relate to a certain extent but everyone is different and I can't possibly be able to empathize with everyone and that's okay!

I can relate... sorta. If my rambling nonsense made any sense  ;D
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