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Do I Look, or Could I Pass, as Female? 4.0

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Jade_404

Quote from: ali.yo1991 on January 15, 2015, 06:32:18 PM
Kind of crappy quality but here I am!
http://i.imgur.com/z2C1cEIl.jpg
I just snapped this pic and my hair is a mess and Im just trying to show what I look like when im just bumming around. Im 17 months on hrt sooooo be honest do you think I can pass one day?

Well...  Yes!

and I love your messy hair look  ;)

Jade
I've been afraid of changing, cuz I built my life around you.
but time makes you bolder, children get older , I'm getting older too.
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ali.yo1991

Quote from: Jade_404 on January 15, 2015, 06:51:48 PM
Well...  Yes!

and I love your messy hair look  ;)

Jade
Thank you! Lol Im hoping I can get ffs one day and really kind of bring things together
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Jade_404

Quote from: ali.yo1991 on January 15, 2015, 07:06:10 PM
Thank you! Lol Im hoping I can get ffs one day and really kind of bring things together

Well in the picture it is dark so I don't see what needs FFS. Eyebrows are a bit bushy but still looks nice :)

I checked on rekog and you get great results with that photo. Computer thinks you are a beautiful female  :o
http://rekognition.com/index.php/demo/face

emotion : happy:68%,sad:12%
age : 20.43 ( value : 20.43 )
smile : false ( value : 0.14 )
glasses : no glass ( value : 0.03 )
sunglasses : false ( value : 0.33 )
beard : false ( value : 0 )
mustache : false ( value : 0 )
eye_closed : open ( value : 0.18 )
mouth_open_wide : 1% ( value : 0.01 )
beauty : 92.69 ( value : 0.92693 )
gender : female ( value : 0 )
I've been afraid of changing, cuz I built my life around you.
but time makes you bolder, children get older , I'm getting older too.
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ali.yo1991

Quote from: Jade_404 on January 15, 2015, 07:18:11 PM
Well in the picture it is dark so I don't see what needs FFS. Eyebrows are a bit bushy but still looks nice :)

I checked on rekog and you get great results with that photo. Computer thinks you are a beautiful female  :o
http://rekognition.com/index.php/demo/face

emotion : happy:68%,sad:12%
age : 20.43 ( value : 20.43 )
smile : false ( value : 0.14 )
glasses : no glass ( value : 0.03 )
sunglasses : false ( value : 0.33 )
beard : false ( value : 0 )
mustache : false ( value : 0 )
eye_closed : open ( value : 0.18 )
mouth_open_wide : 1% ( value : 0.01 )
beauty : 92.69 ( value : 0.92693 )
gender : female ( value : 0 )
Wow! That actually made my day thank you very much. Yeah my eyebrows are a bit bushy. I got my eyebrows done but I didnt go too drastic but I will go a bit thinner next time. The biggest issue I think I can get changed is my jaw and chin area
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Jade_404

Quote from: ali.yo1991 on January 15, 2015, 07:30:06 PM
Wow! That actually made my day thank you very much. Yeah my eyebrows are a bit bushy. I got my eyebrows done but I didnt go too drastic but I will go a bit thinner next time. The biggest issue I think I can get changed is my jaw and chin area

It made my day to make your day! Seriously, when I read it I was all smiles :) :) :) :) Have a great day!

Love,
Jade
:-*
I've been afraid of changing, cuz I built my life around you.
but time makes you bolder, children get older , I'm getting older too.
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Shana

Hi everyone! This was my first time going out fem in public and I ended up taking a picture I actually liked. I believe I'm still pretty far from passing, but I'd like to hear your thoughts.

I've never touched make-up before, though it is on my list of curiosities. I'm also pre everything. I'll be starting HRT in about a month or two though, so I'm really looking forward to what possible changes may occur, hopefully for the better. I've also never touched my eyebrows and my face has a bit of an acne breakout a few days before this photo.

Anyways, thank you all for your thoughts!

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zog

Sorry about posting again after such a short time, but the pics before didn't really have that much fidelity so I'm trying again with a clearer picture.



Still getting exclusively gendered as male, which is starting to frustrate the heck out of me.
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LittleV

Quote from: Shana on January 16, 2015, 01:53:19 AM
Hi everyone! This was my first time going out fem in public and I ended up taking a picture I actually liked. I believe I'm still pretty far from passing, but I'd like to hear your thoughts.

I've never touched make-up before, though it is on my list of curiosities. I'm also pre everything. I'll be starting HRT in about a month or two though, so I'm really looking forward to what possible changes may occur, hopefully for the better. I've also never touched my eyebrows and my face has a bit of an acne breakout a few days before this photo.

Anyways, thank you all for your thoughts!


I think if you just touched up your eyebrows in a more feminine shape and started HRT you would see tremendous difference. I think you'd pass, nothing much to worry about. The HRT will clear up most of the acne, I know it helped with most of my skin issues.
I've found it takes love to make or do something, and without love it's senseless; void, empty, vain.[/color][/center]
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misty2

Quote from: April Lee on January 15, 2015, 02:44:47 AM
From my video journal. Me just talking, without trying to really push a female voice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAvu3u60KOA&feature=youtu.be




Hi April, Transition can be so tough sometimes, can't it? Yet, you stay so calm in your video. I think you look better in the mirror than that cam because of the lighting. Your primary light source seems to be coming from the mirror. When you look in the webcam the primary light shifts to a down light. We all look better when the light source is more directly in front of you and low enough to stop shadows from your eyebrows and nose from casting long paths across your face. Move a lamp, lower and next to webcam, I think you will see instant results. Kind Regards, Danielle
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misty2

Quote from: LittleV on January 15, 2015, 02:18:39 PM
That's strange, because they're up on my end now. I did not pull them down.
I don't think I have a big issue with facial hair but IT IS THERE. I wish it weren't. You can see (on facial close-ups) and judge by yourself if you're willing to.
Oh, and by the way - you said I pass in some pics... can you please say in which ones I passed?
Btw, I added a few new pics to the album.
http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/da1987/library/MyAlbum?sort=9&page=1
"nopass"

Thank you for providing the password again. Photo 11. Also, yes, photo 12.

To get picky... if I am going too far, I am sorry. But my perception of your questions is that you want much detail. You also seem to have the strength and fortitude to handle feedback. This is also an an important milestone that you seem to have surmounted. (It's hard to tell, sometimes, which people who post this thread are ready for the most critical observations.) But to really achieve "passing" takes, for most of us, methodical dedication and a willingness to accept constructive criticism. Bounce back from it, let it give us energy and build off of it. You are a beautiful person. None of these things I am gong to tell you are problems. They are all addressable opportunities to be more feminine - if that is what you seek.

Your neck is thicker. Your trapezius muscle has a more stereotypically masculine curve. To pass, you would benefit from fat and muscle redistribution in both your face and body. This can be resolved by HRT. You could shave your legs... right? That is not required but more stereotypically feminine in our culture. But, some women don't shave their legs. Also, your legs have a male muscle distribution. If it bothers you, give that at least two years on HRT to resolve. It would help even more to have SRS or an orchiectomy. (Same for the neck - would be helped by SRS) there is some beard shadow in some of your photos. Most women simply don't have that type of shadow. I think you have the skin tone and dark enough beard hair to use laser. Find a good professional. If you don't get results, switch providers or operators.

You are very lucky in that you have a small enough frame and some core features (nose rotation, feminine chin, reduced brow bossing, you are still young...) that HRT would, I think have an amazing effect. But It can take many years... at least two (is my non-medical opinion) before a person can really give up on HRT. Finally, irreversibly, SRS or Orchi + HRT really gets us as far as we can go without surgery. It is my opinion that even someone on HRT for five years will still see further muscle and fat distribution improvement after SRS. Please keep in mind I am not a doctor and SRS and hormones are a very serious step. Please develop a relationship with a therapist and an informed internist or General Practitioner or family doctor who can refer you to an endocrinologist.

But I do not want to discourage you either. There will be results even after only 4 months of HRT. Perhaps you have to get feedback from your therapist and on this forum in order to appreciate the changes. Looking in the mirror every day, through our own biased minds, can cloud our views of real progress.

It's my opinion that a transition to passing is trying to change enough masculine cues to feminine. Eventually, at some point, we tip over the line and people accept us as female. Finding your tipping point is a journey. However, you already have many cues in the feminine column.

Lastly, I think an important part of transition is that, you do need a job. Sadly, in this world, transition is rarely free. It's not fair. We are misclassified at birth and we have to pay, fight and struggle to correct that error. But it's reality.

- Kind Regards, Danielle
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LittleV

Quote from: misty2 on January 16, 2015, 05:54:39 AM
Thank you for providing the password again. Photo 11. Also, yes, photo 12.

To get picky... if I am going too far, I am sorry. But my perception of your questions is that you want much detail. You also seem to have the strength and fortitude to handle feedback. This is also an an important milestone that you seem to have surmounted. (It's hard to tell, sometimes, which people who post this thread are ready for the most critical observations.) But to really achieve "passing" takes, for most of us, methodical dedication and a willingness to accept constructive criticism. Bounce back from it, let it give us energy and build off of it. You are a beautiful person. None of these things I am gong to tell you are problems. They are all addressable opportunities to be more feminine - if that is what you seek.

Your neck is thicker. Your trapezius muscle has a more stereotypically masculine curve. To pass, you would benefit from fat and muscle redistribution in both your face and body. This can be resolved by HRT. You could shave your legs... right? That is not required but more stereotypically feminine in our culture. But, some women don't shave their legs. Also, your legs have a male muscle distribution. If it bothers you, give that at least two years on HRT to resolve. It would help even more to have SRS or an orchiectomy. (Same for the neck - would be helped by SRS) there is some beard shadow in some of your photos. Most women simply don't have that type of shadow. I think you have the skin tone and dark enough beard hair to use laser. Find a good professional. If you don't get results, switch providers or operators.

You are very lucky in that you have a small enough frame and some core features (nose rotation, feminine chin, reduced brow bossing, you are still young...) that HRT would, I think have an amazing effect. But It can take many years... at least two (is my non-medical opinion) before a person can really give up on HRT. Finally, irreversibly, SRS or Orchi + HRT really gets us as far as we can go without surgery. It is my opinion that even someone on HRT for five years will still see further muscle and fat distribution improvement after SRS. Please keep in mind I am not a doctor and SRS and hormones are a very serious step. Please develop a relationship with a therapist and an informed internist or General Practitioner or family doctor who can refer you to an endocrinologist.

But I do not want to discourage you either. There will be results even after only 4 months of HRT. Perhaps you have to get feedback from your therapist and on this forum in order to appreciate the changes. Looking in the mirror every day, through our own biased minds, can cloud our views of real progress.

It's my opinion that a transition to passing is trying to change enough masculine cues to feminine. Eventually, at some point, we tip over the line and people accept us as female. Finding your tipping point is a journey. However, you already have many cues in the feminine column.

Lastly, I think an important part of transition is that, you do need a job. Sadly, in this world, transition is rarely free. It's not fair. We are misclassified at birth and we have to pay, fight and struggle to correct that error. But it's reality.

- Kind Regards, Danielle
Wow, thanks for the detailed response. I was kinda hoping to get a critic response like this, because I really wanted to hear all I could do to improve my presentation.
I'm aware I haven't put much of an effort into presenting, i.e. shaving my legs, but right now that's the next thing on the to-do list.
Right now, I'm not sure if I would go into therapy, because it's a bit tricky in my country; I think that one is expected (or required) to go through srs in the end and at the moment I'm not quite sure if I really would go to that length. Because than again, if one doesn't have the upper hand on passing flawlessly it only complicates the situation regarding the employment, carreer, social life etc.

Right now I'm only looking into pushing my appearance a bit into the feminine range. HRT is still a possibility and I'm kinda regretting that my stint with it hasn't lasted longer than 8 1/2 months. It gives me joy to hear there could've been better results if I had prolonged it, because I wasn't exactly happy with mine. If I had given it more time, about two years, maybe I would get to the point where I'm content with it.


Thank you again for your advices.

Kind regards, Vanya.
I've found it takes love to make or do something, and without love it's senseless; void, empty, vain.[/color][/center]
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Hideyoshi

Quote from: LittleV on January 16, 2015, 06:33:46 AM
Wow, thanks for the detailed response. I was kinda hoping to get a critic response like this, because I really wanted to hear all I could do to improve my presentation.
I'm aware I haven't put much of an effort into presenting, i.e. shaving my legs, but right now that's the next thing on the to-do list.
Right now, I'm not sure if I would go into therapy, because it's a bit tricky in my country; I think that one is expected (or required) to go through srs in the end and at the moment I'm not quite sure if I really would go to that length. Because than again, if one doesn't have the upper hand on passing flawlessly it only complicates the situation regarding the employment, carreer, social life etc.

Right now I'm only looking into pushing my appearance a bit into the feminine range. HRT is still a possibility and I'm kinda regretting that my stint with it hasn't lasted longer than 8 1/2 months. It gives me joy to hear there could've been better results if I had prolonged it, because I wasn't exactly happy with mine. If I had given it more time, about two years, maybe I would get to the point where I'm content with it.


Thank you again for your advices.

Kind regards, Vanya.

I looked at your album. You look fine and will look even better on prolonged HRT.
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LittleV

Quote from: Hideyoshi on January 16, 2015, 08:01:29 AM
I looked at your album. You look fine and will look even better on prolonged HRT.
Thanks! I was hoping hrt could make me into someone more petite like you. Always felt a bit rugged, especially the shoulders.
I've found it takes love to make or do something, and without love it's senseless; void, empty, vain.[/color][/center]
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LadyoftheRockies



Meh? I had to scrub the cakeup the lady put on me at the mall and reapply something before going to work. What do y'all think? 6 months HRT if that matters.
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Billie97470

Quote from: LadyoftheRockies on January 17, 2015, 11:39:13 AM


Meh? I had to scrub the cakeup the lady put on me at the mall and reapply something before going to work. What do y'all think? 6 months HRT if that matters.

I think your coming along I put my finger over where the facial hair is, once your free of that burden I don't think people would know by looking at you.  My thoughts are keep letting that hair grow out as well as laser/electrolysis and move on from questioning if you pass or not :)
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Shana

Quote from: LittleV on January 16, 2015, 02:42:08 AM
I think if you just touched up your eyebrows in a more feminine shape and started HRT you would see tremendous difference. I think you'd pass, nothing much to worry about. The HRT will clear up most of the acne, I know it helped with most of my skin issues.
That makes me very happy to hear :D It's different hearing an opinion from others who have the same issues and is really a confidence booster. The eyebrows are something I plan to work on after I move as they seem to be a bit more noticeable than other things and I'm not exactly out at work. I'm really excited for the effects HRT will bring, I've been waiting years and I should finally be on it in the coming month or two thanks to my amazing therapist who found a transgender clinic who would take my insurance :laugh:
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Sincerely Tegan

Hey all,
Just hanging out after a long week, and randomly decided to try on my new shirt. I'm just under 3 months HRT, and am only wearing lipstick. I'm aware of the beard shadow, and am having another session Monday.  Also, I intend to deal with the adams apple as soon as possible, and before I go public. Anyway, how am I progressing?




A little earlier in the week. I'm not so sure that the dress is flattering to my shape. At least not yet. Thoughts?


And just for yucks, here's full-on boy-mode. At work earlier this week, and at home:


Please be constructive and let me know what you think!

Cheers,
Tegan
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Damara




I got my ears pierced last night.. Here's a photo showing off my huge ears and nose and jaw.. the angle made my ears look bigger than they are, but look! Little skulls! :)

plus on front one.. someday I'll take a photo revealing my brow area.. and then children will weep. Also I fear my chin is too long for comfort.



The ear piercing lady didn't seem to clock me, which I thought was miraculous considering how close she was to my face..  :o
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V M

I think you are rather pretty and should have no worries  :icon_chick:
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

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- V M
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Hikari

@Damara: You look amazing! I think you really don't have anything to worry about.
15 years on Susans, where has all the time gone?
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