Female Priviledge

[Wild Flower]

Please list all the female privileges that men do not have.




One example I notice is that it is societally okay for women not to work, stay at home mom.

[Denise]

Bring on the stereotypes and sexist comments... Sorry...
1. Paying on dates
2. Holding doors
3. Entering a place first
4. Driving when out as a couple
5. Carrying stuff (heavy objects.. "here let me help you.")

These are just a few I've noticed.

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[JMJW]

Please list all the female privileges that men do not have.




One example I notice is that it is societally okay for women not to work, stay at home mom.

Women used to be able to, but nowadays with the economy the way it is, and salaries lower than the old days, they just can't. stay at home now. Psychology researchers postulate that this is the cause for the rising autism and ADHD rates in children. Parents who are barely in their children's lives as they have to work. Children who are raised by Tv.


As a transgender person, in identity politics, they won't immediately shut you down with the "Check your privilege" line against arguments that don't fit the politically correct narrative, which is ironically a form of privilege. 

[Wild Flower]

Bring on the stereotypes and sexist comments... Sorry...
1. Paying on dates
2. Holding doors
3. Entering a place first
4. Driving when out as a couple
5. Carrying stuff (heavy objects.. "here let me help you.")

These are just a few I've noticed.

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I am avoiding that completely.

We are women too, but we also know male privilege

For male privilege,

Being consider knowledgeable before actually talking about it (more male oriented subjects though)

[LizK]

I find this who male privileged all a bit misleading

I wasn't a cis male ever...I guess being "socialised" with other males is about the best I can say. I learned how to fit in and what I had to do but "I was never part of it" and as I secretly fought my maleness all my life I wonder about this whole "male/female" privilege as it applies to Trans people.

I find it difficult to believe that we would experience it the same way as cis males/females...just my ramblings, I could be totally off my rocker.

[Wild Flower]

I find this who male privileged all a bit misleading

I wasn't a cis male ever...I guess being "socialised" with other males is about the best I can say. I learned how to fit in and what I had to do but "I was never part of it" and as I secretly fought my maleness all my life I wonder about this whole "male/female" privilege as it applies to Trans people.

I find it difficult to believe that we would experience it the same way as cis males/females...just my ramblings, I could be totally off my rocker.

Your absolutely right, as transgender women when we were presenting as men it's actually worse because everything about life is wrong.

[Denise]

I am avoiding that completely.

We are women too, but we also know male privilege

For male privilege,

Being consider knowledgeable before actually talking about it (more male oriented subjects though)

Wild,

   I too would LIKE to avoid the things I listed, but it's kinda funny, my new girl friends slap me when I don't accept those things.  "If you want to join the women's league, you have to accept having doors held etc or you will out yourself before you know it."

If you enter a party or room last in a group it's a sure thing (probably?) you've just outed yourself.

Just an observation.

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[Aurorasky]

what is this female privilege you speak of. I honestly think it's about the 10th time you create this topic. Anyway, these advantages may be real but they only happen on smaller, more domestic sphere and are dependent on context, unlike male privilege which is much systemical and part of society's makeup. It seems most who have commented missed the point that these advantages only exist because women are thought of as weaker, less autonomous than men and thus have to helped. So what's at the core of these advantages is not positive to women and ,furthermore, when a man is insulted for being "weak", it often comes at the expense of women. How many times do fathers and other men tell boys "not be such a girl" - cause, right, girls are weak and emotional. The WORST insult you can give to a man is telling him he's womanly.  In Western countries it's gotten much better over but women still earn less than men for the same job, and in today's world there are STILL countries where women are forbidden to vote or simply choose who she's going to marry, where adultery is punished with death penalty (but only if the perpetrator is a woman) and I could go on, and on forever.

You see, there's small advantages to being a woman but they don't make up for all the advantages men have over women. Obviously, it's not all roses to men either, and while women are more likely to attempt suicide, men are far more likely to be successful in such attempts, for example. I don't know, Wild Flower. I am under the impression that you think female life is such a dream and a fantasy but I think that's because you have yet to truly live it to realize it IS NOT. If you're looking at woman life as this fairy tale where you'll have all the guys drooling over you and treating you as a princess and come to get you in their white horse, I am here to tell you, you WILL be disappointed. Sure, you may get guys but those may not be the ones you wish. So let's make a list of the challenges you will have to face as a woman, and don't think these challenges are lessened if you become attractive, some heighten even more.

*Being talked down to at jobs
*Having to know more than the men in the discussion to be taken seriously, if you know the same or less, you won't be heard
*Dealing with harassment on the street, workplace and via message online or not
*Judgement from other women, women are taught from a young age to be each other's worst enemies
*you'll get unsolicited comments about your appearance, whether you want it or not
*be ready to deal with awkward situations, where doctors and people who hold power over you telling how pretty you look and going as far as flirting with you
*Gossiping is a real thing and sooner or later you will be the one everyone's gossiping about
*Stalkers, followers may become a real thing
*Beauty culture is a thing and it will affect you in many ways you can't even fanthom right now

And as a young woman, this all has happened to me. I'm sure I could list many more but I'm probably forgetting a lot of disadvantages. And I'm still relatively privileged but have experienced all that. There are probably even more challenges as we age. But point is, I don't think this female privilege you fantasize so much about exists. Sure, maybe some people regard taking advantage of men as a privilege, but I don't think this way at all, and men who are like this are almost always creepers. so, please come with evidence this privilege exists besides chivalry (which regards women as weaker) and then we can further discuss it.

[JMJW]

Women aren't socialized out of emotional expression. Likely responsible for the notably smaller suicide rate compared to men. Feminists act like inability to cry is a masculine performance and a part of not wanting to be feminine. No, it's embedded so deep into the subconscious as a result of male socialization that I can't cry even if I wanted to.

Also when I was in college, I was told that there are women only scholarships/funds for continuing education, I asked if they would help a transwoman, I was told no.

[xFreya]

Feminists act like inability to cry is a masculine performance and a part of not wanting to be feminine. No, it's embedded so deep into the subconscious as a result of male socialization that I can't cry even if I wanted to.

I don't know if I agree with that. A lot of people myself included notice they cry easier on HRT, or harder in case of trans men. I still don't cry often but before it was almost an impossibilty. (except my childhood)

Of course there's variation some females don't cry much, some males cry easier etc but I'm saying in general.

I don't deny social factors, society expecting men not to cry might create pressure on some etc. But I think biology (hormones) play a bigger role. And then there are individual differences.

[James80]

- No one is afraid of of you when you interact their kids or ask to pet their dog
- If you're taking a picture with your phone, no one assumes it's for pervy reasons
- No one gets scared if you're walking behind them down the street, even at night

Those are just a few I can remember.

[Undead Cat]

I  was debating  about that with some of my friends and we didn't reach an conclusion but

-the butchier the woman is she more privileged or less privileged ?

i already noticed that men doesn't pay much attention on them , so they are kinda less bothered by sexism and more respect I guess ? But on  the other hand I already saw stories of butchy ladies getting "corrective rapes " to "make them more ladylike". I dunno. 

- women are not forced into going to war in many places
-women have total reproductive rights in some places
-women are less violent
-women can seduce men and even other women  very easily and explore them.
-women are more protected by law from domestic violence , women are not shamed for seeking for help
-women live more , even trans and intersex women do.
-women can dress up with any clothing and still be viewed as objects.
-women have more freedom to express their emotions and to have more intimacy with people in many places.
-women are more flexible than men.
-women do better at multitasking
-women are killed less often and commit suicide less often.
-gay women are more respected. .. kinda of in some places when compared to gay men, in some places gay women are "pure"
-women are more disputed
-women have more benefits in sex related jobs and their bodies can give them easu money and fame
-women are treated with respect like they're superior in many cultures that objectify them
-women scape many chronic illnesses and suffer less from drugs, cigars and alcohol, same with trans and intersex ladies
-women often keep the guard of the kids and receive child support

Idk and what more,  but there's terrible downsides,  like I already mentioned being treated as sex object like 3 times.

[Charlie Nicki]

Women have more freedom to express themselves emotionally, verbally, etc. It's expected and accepted. Men can't do that. This leads to being happier and more able to deal with life's hardships.

Women have the final say in romantic/sexual relationships most times. What I'm saying is, men are expected to do the chasing and get rejected and still keep trying, while a woman can probably get what she wants by opening her mouth. Most women I know who are in long term relationships "handle" (for lack of a better word) their men in a way that is super obvious the women are the ones in charge. They build their houses, families, careers, expectations, etc the way they want.

Also, being thought of as "emotional" and "sensitive" while might sound terrible for some, a lot of smart women use it to their advantage to also get what they want. Men are easily manipulated by this.

I'm speaking about cis women of course, can't really tell how all of this translates to trans women. So yes, while we do live in a male dominated world, it's not all "oh women have it so bad". Cis women learn from a young age the social disadvantages they have, but also learn all the power they can have, and they use the tools given to them to their advantage.


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[Sarah leah]

This one is based solely on general western norms and sure to upset. However, when I discussed this with a panel of five world class Universities it was pretty much a perfect snap shot. The examples below are not my own they are instead from an interview a few years ago by an Australian media group:

1.I can socialise without the fear of being sexually manipulated and/or seduced. (girls only bars/security in my building, men will jump to my aid if I scream vs. other genders who might scream, separate areas on public transport between 9pm-7am to protect me if I want it)
2.I can enjoy the luxuries of staying at home and rely on my spouse for financial security without being frowned upon by society for doing so.
3.I can openly talk about my mental health and emotions without being negatively judged by society.
4.I am not expected to remain onboard a sinking ship in order to allow the opposite gender to reach safety first.
5.I am able to look after my children and simultaneously apply for financial compensation from my workplace without being negatively judged by society.
6.In case of divorce, I get greater custody over my children and a greater say in the situation, along with greater sympathy from the judiciary and greater freedom to choose my child's co-parent.
7.I will receive lighter prison sentences and better judicial treatment simply because of my gender.
8.Most domestic violence perpetrators of my gender do not get arrested in comparison to the counterparts of the opposite gender.
9.My gender does not commit suicide at a multiple rate in comparison to the opposite gender.
10.My gender does not comprise most workplace deaths by number and percentage.
11.I am less likely to be falsely accused of rape.
12.The majority of homeless people are not my gender.
13.I have a lower chance of being judged as a paedophile for no reason e.g. I can sit next to a child on public transport without being judged.
14.I enjoy programs that aim at promoting the hiring of my gender into the workplace.
15.I have "reproductive rights" and I get the final say on whether my child gets to live or die while he/she is still in the mother's womb.
16.It is completely illegal to forcefully circumcise or mutilate the sexual organs of children who are my gender.
17.The children of my gender who are sexually exploited or used as prostitutes are prioritised by authorities over those of the opposite gender.
18.People of my gender have a greater likelihood of entering university than those of the opposite gender.
19.The majority of homicide deaths, combat deaths and deaths by capital punishment as percentages does not constitute people of my gender.
20.My gender does not pay the majority of taxes.

[JMJW]

Black women are less likely to be shot dead even after surrendering to police than black men.

[noleen111]

I love having a door held open for me and being held by a man.. I feel so safe

Power over men.(yes I play helpless the girl), a bit of cleavage and a man will do anything for you.

female sex is way better... a full body orgasm is wonderful
wearing pretty outfits and being to wear dress in public without been judged..
womens clothing just feels better, especially silk underwear against my skin

the best  thing.. feel a breeze against my freshly shaven leg when wearing a skirt.. its better with pantyhose

[Charlie Nicki]

Thank you Sarah Leah, JMJW and Noleen for the positive answers. I really dislike the whole "oh what's so good about being a woman? All men are out to get us" victimized attitude. I understand those come from a real place but there's a lot of advantages as well. Both genders have things against them, it's just different for each side. My mind, for one, is made to face the female obstacles. I can't and don't want to deal with all that comes with being a "man". I am willing to deal with all that comes with being a woman.


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[elkie-t]

Although women earn less, i heard that they spend more on average


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[Janes Groove]

You get to wear really cool clothes.

[Aurorasky]

Most of the things you say can actually be evidence AGAINST so called female privilege. We'll go one by one...

1.I can socialise without the fear of being sexually manipulated and/or seduced. (girls only bars/security in my building, men will jump to my aid if I scream vs. other genders who might scream, separate areas on public transport between 9pm-7am to protect me if I want it)

So... let me see if I got this correctly, you think women are out there to get you? To sexually manipulate you? Oh, because men are just helpless when it comes to their desire for sex and can't possibly be manipulative themselves? And yes, there are bars for men. They are called gays bars. Just like only women bars are for lesbians. That simple.

2.I can enjoy the luxuries of staying at home and rely on my spouse for financial security without being frowned upon by society for doing so.

NO! This is only true for RICH women. Poor women have to work their asses off or otherwise they will be stigmatized as lazy, "welfare queens". In fact, very often poor women often have to work hard only to come home and take care of the children, the house and satisfy her husband sexually who does not help in house leading whatsoever.

3.I can openly talk about my mental health and emotions without being negatively judged by society.

No. All people who suffer from mental health issues are stigmatized and referred to as "crazy", "unstable",  and I could go on and on. I have a friend who's bipolar and when we were in high school she told me and other friends of her condition. One started talking about it and soon she was labeled as crazy by most kids. And men do talk about their emotions, especially if it's hate, anger, disappointment. In toxic masculinity culture, men may be afraid to talk to other men about their feelings (especially if sadness) but they can definitely talk to the women in their lives. It's men who have to learn to listen and sympathize with each other, as women are allowed to talk about their feelings with each other.

4.I am not expected to remain onboard a sinking ship in order to allow the opposite gender to reach safety first.

True...but does not apply everywhere anymore.

5.I am able to look after my children and simultaneously apply for financial compensation from my workplace without being negatively judged by society.

This is not true for all countries. On most there's actually no legal requirement.

6.In case of divorce, I get greater custody over my children and a greater say in the situation, along with greater sympathy from the judiciary and greater freedom to choose my child's co-parent.

No, not more sympathy. Actually women are more likely to ask for their children's custody, so are far more likely to get it. Also, most countries have laws that grant joint custody, but generally less men want to benefit from it.

7.I will receive lighter prison sentences and better judicial treatment simply because of my gender.

Men are FAR more likely to commit violent crime and thus are punished accordingly. This is not an exemple of discrimination.

8.Most domestic violence perpetrators of my gender do not get arrested in comparison to the counterparts of the opposite gender.

Men are more likely to be the one doing the beating. Therefore, more men are arrested for domestic violence than women.

9.My gender does not commit suicide at a multiple rate in comparison to the opposite gender.

No, women are more likely to attempt suicide with less lethal and immediate means (drug overdose) while men are more likely to use immediate and lethal means (gun shooting), thus more men die from those attemps. Most completed suicides are from men, however women attempting suicide far outnumber men.

10.My gender does not comprise most workplace deaths by number and percentage.

True. Because men are more likely to choose high risk jobs, nobody is pointing a gun at them to take these jobs.

11.I am less likely to be falsely accused of rape.

Basic math. Women are far less likely to commit rape than men. Thus, more men are likely to be falsely accused but the rate of false accusation is still low and similar to other crimes. Not to mention most rape still is underreported, as prosecution and conviction of the crime is VERY hard and women are dragged through the mud for having the guts to report it. 

12.The majority of homeless people are not my gender.

No... but many women who are homeless turn to selling their bodies for survival.  Men are less likely to be abused when homeless and thus more visible. Not to mention women living on the streets face much more higher risk for sex crime than men. Furthermore, many homeless are children.

13.I have a lower chance of being judged as a paedophile for no reason e.g. I can sit next to a child on public transport without being judged.

Men are more likely to pedophiles. It's true that men are viewed more suspiciously than women when it comes to children and it shoudn't always be so. But a man actively choosing to sit next to children not known to him when he has the option not to should be viewed suspiciously (ie. grooming).

14.I enjoy programs that aim at promoting the hiring of my gender into the workplace.

Uh, yes. Because workplace discrimination was and continues to be a thing in many places. It wouldn't exist if it wasn't the case.

15.I have "reproductive rights" and I get the final say on whether my child gets to live or die while he/she is still in the mother's womb.

True... But who is going to carry the child? Who's going to have all the side effects from hormone secretion and the growth of the baby? Who's going to hurt? Who will likely take care of the child when born?

16.It is completely illegal to forcefully circumcise or mutilate the sexual organs of children who are my gender.

Yes... But circumcision is mostly a religious norm for Jews. And it's not the penis that is cut, it's skin. As for female genital mutilation, it's one of the main areas of deriving sexual pleasure for girls and women, the clitoris,  that is cut.

17.The children of my gender who are sexually exploited or used as prostitutes are prioritised by authorities over those of the opposite gender.

Any evidence to back this up? I have never found any studies claiming so.

18.People of my gender have a greater likelihood of entering university than those of the opposite gender.

This is actually a very recente phenomenon. And speaks of women's ambitions, hard work and desire to be seen as equal in the workplace. Regardless, men are still being paid more even if the women are overqualified.

19.The majority of homicide deaths, combat deaths and deaths by capital punishment as percentages does not constitute people of my gender.

Combat deaths? Really? How about bombs in Syria falling in Aleppo. You think they magically don't kill women? War is war and it kills, destroys everyone and everything. Women are not immune to the consequences of war, and if not killed, are far more likely to suffer crime against will and enslavement. Yes, men are far more likely to be murdered because they are also more likely to get into violent fights. And finally men are more likely to commit violent crime and thus face death penalty more often.

20.My gender does not pay the majority of taxes.

People who earn less, pay less taxes. Women generally earn less than men. Don't know what's your point.

sorry for the gramatical mistakes
Conculsion: there are sure disadvantages to being a man, it's not all roses but this doesn't account for what women have to face, and it certainly doesn't deny that women still have it harder in many ways. Most of this list actually is an exemple of evidence against female privilege existing. Also, I am appalled that some people here believe that women are out there to get and manipulate men. Is this a support site for mtf transsexuals who identify as female?