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Mothers attack supermarket for selling David Williams transgender childrens book

Started by stephaniec, September 06, 2017, 02:31:28 PM

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paula lesley

Yes. Ban all books... These people with their weird ideas... I'm shocked...




Paula...
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staciM

People have lost their bloody minds.  This is similar to a white supremacists mentality, but I bet none of them would identify that way.  They are afraid of "their" values being lost, so they revolt.  I'm sure they truly believe we are actively recruiting children.

"Become transgender kids, it's cool ....you too can be ostracized by society, possibly abandoned by your family and friends...if you have any to begin with...constantly be put in uncomfortable or deadly situations, be a punchline of jokes...geez, why wouldn't you want to be transgender?"
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SailorMars1994

I really do not understand this raving paranoid women. Its a book, if you dont like it dont buy it. A book isnt going to magically turn your kid trans. Or how she says there are those with an ''agenda''

In my personal experince anyone who has encouraged me to express myself in a feminine/female way never pushed it on to me. They just worked with me on how to break down shame, guilt and internalized transphobia. But they never put a gun to my head or in-planted ideas that were not already in my head to begin with. In fact in both the gender clinic I had gone to in Ottawa and Winnipeg they always told me that gender is a spectrum and that it is important to get in touch with your feelings and work on yourself, not just on gender but on all your dreams, goals and aspirations. They just know that gender is a massive part of identity and not expressing yourself, whoever you may be, will haunt you until you do. All the gender therpaists , and indeed regular see-once-a-week/when needed counsellors said that within a short time of understanding me they see a girl. They, including my current non-gender counsellor noted that not only am I among the most adament she has seen, but even pointed out feminine things that I didnt pick up on. Still, they told me the truth but never pushed any ideas onto me. In other words, no agenda from these people. Even accepting family and friends just say ''well, i wish you well'' or ''I had a feeling anyway''... Never pushing me down transition road, but giving me the tools to be the best me.

Whereas those who insisted I was male, either through personal or on the web seemed to have an agenda. My Aunt who insisted I am somehow a mans man, or in her words ''A man inside and out'' tried to use past abuse from other males as a reasoning that I am too scared to be a man.. her suggestion, try being happy as a man. Deep down however, she likes to and always has viewed me growing up as her ''3rd son'' (yes, she told me that) and whenever I saw her she be likes ''Hows my Nephew''.. perhaps innocent and such, but in hindsight it only opened up my eyes on how my birth gender was indeed such a big thing for her and due to being born that way, she already put ideas into her own head on how I must somehow adhere to. Tho it is funny, most of myy childhood she was either sleeping in her bed like a bear, on the computer smoking dope or just out of the picture. So seeing that at a young age she already put an identity of me and how I should be into her head and somehow if I dont fall into that identity then it can only be due to bad things. She is also under the illusion that i cut my ties with her because the ''evil'' influence of my dad and grandma have over me ad her two sons and that is why she is ''on her own'' when it is because at ever turn she tried to push manhood and masculinity onto me, especially after I told her about my female feelings. Or my cousin on other side of family, who tried to also push doubt onto me by insisting its not real, probably just an obsession via autism or what not. But then he goes on to say ''You were like a brother to me'', so by trying to implant this doubt he is trying to justify in his mind that he is somehow doing me a favour, again he is only doing and saying these things because he wants a ''man''.

The last bit are just 2 situations of people trying use their own agenda, often in a rude way to get what they want. Just 2 of 20 or more.

I guess at the end of the day who is the least to have an agenda. A gender therapist or a author of a book that discuss the gender spectrum and where one may very well end up being on, or members of family, friend or other social circles that have spent a long time trying to mould you into the version that THEY want out of you?
AMAB Born: March 1994
Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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Rowena_Ellenweorc

Oh my.... Oh my...

And for what its worth, I think its more about explaining defying gender roles which is different than being trans.  At least from the article's description of it. That doesn't mean its a transgender book."

But it does remind me STRONGLY of what we jokingly call the 'Zion Curtain' here in Utah. Most of the time its used to target a recent law made around... 2010 I wanna say that says that alcohol hall must be stored and poured in new restaurants (any built after the passing of this law) in a private area out of the purview of customers.  Supposedly the logic was that if kids see it being poured (even though they can't even sit where the bar is legally till 21, and servers MUST be 21 to even bring it to a table) they'll become drunken idiots.
However it also refers to the previously mentioned mentality that the laws and stores and stuff must conform to Mormon values for fear of the kids! *gasp*  And yet, time and time again, we only prove that doing such things is actually a detriment.  We have a high drug rate, high dui rate, high teen pregnancy rate... etc.  Because we spend so much time trying to keep the kids away from the 'bad things' that we don't inform them about it enough.

Edit:  Sorry I can't give you exact numbers for the above facts, the last time I researched the actual numbers was years ago, when we were actually among the top states for the above mentioned items.  I have no idea if we still are, but I know its still really high.
~Ren

Born May 1989 - Assigned Female
October 2016 - Came out to self/online
Feb/March 2017 - Officially came out to husband
April 2017 - Realized I'm Non-Binary
June 2017 - Started Therapy
August 2017 - Came out to parents
October 2017 - modified FB profile
November 26, 2017 - Came out https://www.facebook.com/notes/karen-ren-losee/please-read/10155966104353223/ on FB

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- Bon Jovi "We weren't Born to follow"

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I am done griping about being too masculine.
I will be me.
And that's a non-binary being.
I am... ME!

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This... is MY story
The story of a girl trapped in a guy's body.
A boy trapped in a girl's body.
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rmaddy

Funny.  Most of the books I've seen for sale in the grocery store have been smutty romance novels.  Perhaps there have been complaints about them too, but I haven't heard of them.
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SailorMars1994

Quote from: Rowena_Ellenweorc on September 06, 2017, 04:55:01 PM
Oh my.... Oh my...

And for what its worth, I think its more about explaining defying gender roles which is different than being trans.  At least from the article's description of it. That doesn't mean its a transgender book."

But it does remind me STRONGLY of what we jokingly call the 'Zion Curtain' here in Utah. Most of the time its used to target a recent law made around... 2010 I wanna say that says that alcohol hall must be stored and poured in new restaurants (any built after the passing of this law) in a private area out of the purview of customers.  Supposedly the logic was that if kids see it being poured (even though they can't even sit where the bar is legally till 21, and servers MUST be 21 to even bring it to a table) they'll become drunken idiots.
However it also refers to the previously mentioned mentality that the laws and stores and stuff must conform to Mormon values for fear of the kids! *gasp*  And yet, time and time again, we only prove that doing such things is actually a detriment.  We have a high drug rate, high dui rate, high teen pregnancy rate... etc.  Because we spend so much time trying to keep the kids away from the 'bad things' that we don't inform them about it enough.

Edit:  Sorry I can't give you exact numbers for the above facts, the last time I researched the actual numbers was years ago, when we were actually among the top states for the above mentioned items.  I have no idea if we still are, but I know its still really high.

You articulated this very well, especially parents overly babying their children from percived bad things. Just labelling it bad without explaining whats going on or any education will just cause issues. Especially when the thing in question isnt even bad (transition, drinking in moderation, and consensual sexual relations at a proper age). Without education you will end up not knowing anything probably end up doing something stupid ex, DUI.

+1 for you!
AMAB Born: March 1994
Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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SailorMars1994

Quote from: rmaddy on September 06, 2017, 05:13:28 PM
Funny.  Most of the books I've seen for sale in the grocery store have been smutty romance novels.  Perhaps there have been complaints about them too, but I haven't heard of them.

Well it may be smutty, and they may not like it but in their eyes its hetersexual cisgender people doing whatever it is so they will turn a blind eye. Two men giving a peck to eachother however or a trans-person expressing their idenitity with no shame and happiness , well I guess the sky will fall soon or atleast thats what they are acting like.
AMAB Born: March 1994
Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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undautri

I have to say that the article uses "Aldi" and "quality products" in the same sentence so that's already wrong. their food is nice but the non-food items they sells are renowned for being poorly crafted and cheap. Already, this article is discredited in my eyes :laugh:

As for the book itself, I don't see what the fuss is about. it's about a boy in a dress, so what? they have so many books out there about girls playing sports and being picked on for it, why not let boys know it's possible to wear pretty dresses if they want to?  ???
In addition britain has a long-standing history of drag culture as comedy, so again i don't see what the fuss is about. Have they never seen "little britain" or did they just not realise one of the main characters was in drag?
  This article is worth noone's attention. I live in a conservative area and even here nobody cares. A boy in my primary school dressed up as a ballerina for Wold Book day and do you know who cared? the teachers. The kids didn't care. We were all either laughing with him about how strange it was or in awe at his bravery. I asked him at the time and he said he genuinely just wanted to wear a pink tutu. The kid was 10.
  I had a friend who enjoyed wearing my fairy dresses whenever he came over to my place. We played dress up together. He was open to his friends about it but he asked everyone to never tell his mother. He grew up to be a very manly and straight lad. He played on our football team, and worked out to get buff, but he still didn't protest when the girls wanted to put makeup on him. Nobody cared, at all.
  Kids don't care about boys wearing dresses. They really don't. Those in the article are living in a bubble and ignoring our long history of cross-dressing and effeminate men.
kindest regards possible,
Clay
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Peep

This book has been out for a while... is it not more worrying that these parents are only considering books for their children when Aldi happens to put them in their path?
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