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I'm just curious how many of you would have rather been born CIS.

Started by Tatiana 79, July 06, 2018, 11:55:13 AM

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Tatiana 79

Hello CharlieNicki,
My compliments on you seeing right to the core of what I meant. You really hit the nail right on the head.
Being CIS male would alleviate us of previous dysphoria and all the burdens  from transitioning because we would be comfortable in our own skin right from the start.
but it seems like a lot of members would not give up transitioning for anything.  right now I personally would have rather been born CIS male  because I would have been spared all that  negativity that plagued me for many decades and I would still be working now and more functional than I am now but I do have hope for the future.
I just started HRT yesterday it'll be interesting to see in a few years what my position is on this then I'm hoping a few good years will balance out all the Decades of negativity and leave the rest of my life to be lived in skin that's comfortable.
Thank you so much with your wise response all the best love Tatiana
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Gertrude

Quote from: Devlyn on July 06, 2018, 12:10:44 PM
I think you'll get nearly 100% agreement...in this subforum. In Transgender Talk the numbers would shift. I love being transgender, it's opened up a second life for me.

Hugs, Devlyn
Dk Devlyn. I wouldn't wish this on anyone. I think if we were born into a accepting society and culture it would be different, but it's not just being trans, but everyone's perception of sex and gender. If people can't relate, it's wrong.


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Tatiana 79

Hey Gertrude
thanks so much for jumping in and I agree 100% with your feelings.
one thing that I will not accept is society's views and all the cultural taboos well at least in my Tiny Town of 200 because I personally already swayed  about a quarter of the population here over to our side and my job is not done yet.
so if you don't like something try changing it and know it can be done well at least here in the middle of nowhere.
Thanks so much for your very respected opinion
All the best to you love Tatiana
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Lady Love

I would not prefer to be cisgender in either regard. Life would be different if I was a man, even though I have only known I was a woman for a few months. If I was born a cisgender woman my life would have less stress from transitioning. In either case, my identity is formed around being a woman who thought they were a man their whole life. I don't think it is easy being trans, but I will take being me anyday to accepting another life.

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Tatiana 79

Thank you for your interesting viewpoint
  LadyLove
I found it pretty deep and insightful.

It's true we can only live and take things day-by-day but always need to play the hand we're dealt the best we can.
  thank you so much for jumping in Lady Love 
hugs and love Tatiana
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Tatiana 79

Okay I tallied up the results as best I could  here it is.
CIS F-  5
CIS M - 2
love being trans-6
But because I believe I miss labeled my initial topic label, because I was in the MTF forum.  I mistakenly assumed that I meant either CIS male not CIS female.
so I believe I should move the five from CIS female to trans

results
  rather been CIS m- 2
rather been Trans- 11
Very interesting results thank you all for your very kind participation
love you all Tatiana
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Another Nikki

Without a doubt, cis female or male.  If I was cis, I'm doubtful I would have a preference as to gender.
"What you know, you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life—that there is something wrong. You don't know what it is, but it's there like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me."
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Tatiana 79

 Thank you so much Nikki,
for your very interesting reply you were the only one out on this thread with that response. I know exactly what you mean with your reply I am also in this camp but found out that we're in the minority on this thread as most are enjoying the Journey of transition.
but I really do hope my position will change after a few years.
All the best to you love Tatiana
thank you very much for your unique imput.
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DustKitten

My immediate reaction was "Of course I'd rather just be born female! Things would've been so much easier that way!"

But then, I thought:

1. Transitioning opens up a whole new range of things for me to experience, and life experience, imo, can be the foundation of much good writing. Pain lends meaning to art, so in a way, suffering makes my job easier. :)

2. I think being trans has made me more open-minded; I've been more adventurous and willing to explore my convictions and beliefs because of my identity. Knowing something is wrong with me prompted me to look at my world and question if maybe something was wrong with it, too. If I hadn't been born trans, I may have ended up like my sister--submissive to an extremely conservative family, never thinking for myself, married to a guy at 20 and having kids at 21 (maybe sooner, in my theoretical case).

3. Being submissive to my family, and not having that extra little indication that something was wrong, I probably wouldn't have found the courage to explore my sexuality, and even if I'd turned out bi (as I did in this life) I don't think I'd be part of the LGBTQ-mmunity.

So basically, if I had been born cis, there's a good chance I'd be missing out on everything awesome that defines me. I like to think there's an alternate-reality version of me out there that was born the right way (I actually used to daydream about that sort of thing long before I knew I was trans) but if I were given the choice, this is the life I'd choose to live.
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Janes Groove

This is a question that I just cannot answer.  It's amusing as a thought experiment, but I wholly lack sufficient data.  I was never born cis.  I have no point of reference.  The problem is like division by zero in mathematics.  It's undefined.
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Sonja

I would stay transgender but have the world change its attitude.

Sonja.
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Tatiana 79

Thank you so much Dustkitten
For your very insightful perspective.
I found it very inspirational for me, for your  idea of without pain there is no gain.
You really got me thinking about my position here, which is in the minority on this thread with your deep well worded response. I'm so glad you dropped in with this angle to share with everyone.  Well done dear

Hugs and love to you my friend Tatiana


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Tatiana 79

Thanks so much Jane for popping in to share your opinion with everyone.
I do get your point, know that it's well appreciated and adds with everyone else's opinion to get a collective View of the big picture.
thank you so much sweetheart
Hugs and love to you my friend Tatiana
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Tatiana 79

Thanks Sonja
It's really been very interesting for me to get everyone's opinion  on this question.
One other thing Sonja, I know this is going to sound a bit crazy but  if you don't like something, know that it is possible to sway people's opinion about us and start to change the world yourself one person at a time.
This idea is the basis of what I talked about on the big forum with my Utopia thread.  I think you might find it interesting  I believe if everyone worked together we really could start eroding all these old fashioned taboos that we all hate. I really do appreciate your opinion my friend.
all the best love Tatiana
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Aurorasky

It's true that being trans and transitioning still as a teenager gave me a unique perspective on life, which has been useful for the many following challenges life presents you with. It can definitely be a beautiful journey, at times. However, I'm not going to be hypocritical and lie about my intent, and while it's true something beautiful can emerge from the brokenness, and you can indeed learn to appreciate it, I would still much rather having been born a biological woman. Because if I had been born as such, I could one day give birth, have my babies, marry without problem and not have transness stick its way into romantic relationships and ruin an otherwise good connection. I can't think of many positives to this unique experience, it gives you additional harships you most often have to face by yourself and causes a lot of pain. But I guess pain is part of life.
Love,

Aurora Beatriz da Fonseca
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pamelatransuk

Quote from: Janes Groove on July 06, 2018, 10:15:01 PM
This is a question that I just cannot answer.  It's amusing as a thought experiment, but I wholly lack sufficient data.  I was never born cis.  I have no point of reference.  The problem is like division by zero in mathematics.  It's undefined.

Hello Tatiana

I have read the whole thread. Of course, we all would have preferred to have been born cis female but your question asks about being born cis male.

I have thought hard about this one and I rarely sit on the fence and would not take a side in a debate unless I had any evidence one way or the other.

So I agree with Jane. I have no evidence what it would have been like to be born cis male. I cannot "vote". It is like making a retrospective judgement when no initial evidence or data or plan was made. It is undefined.

Hugs

Pamela



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Tatiana 79

Dear Aurorasky and Pamela
Thanks so much for your insights and opinions on this topic.
And to Aurorasky  I am so happy for you that you started treatment at a very young age which is quite advantageous compared to me waiting for half a decade which only resulted in me completely breaking down and becoming unfunctional but you will be spared all this my dear  and live out a normal life being as one under your own skin.
Thank you so much for your participation ladies I appreciate it very much.
I have some earth-shattering information, well at least to me that I will soon be releasing on the Forum.
all my love to the both of you, Tatiana
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Donica

With out a doubt, cis female. The only other way would be that I started transitioning in my preteen years. That way I wouldn't of had to struggle all these years hiding my true self.
Rebirth 06/09/2017. HRT 08/22/2017. RLE 07/14/2018. Name and Gender change 10/19/2018. FFS 09/06/2019. GCS 05/26/2021.
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EllenJ2003

Being born a "proper CIS male"?  Ugh!!  No way!!!  Born CIS female? Absolutly!!  It would negated having to miss some  experiences, and dealing with a lot of hassles. 

Missed experience-wise, I still resent the fact that I never had children, and (no offense is intended to those of us who had children in the biologically male fashion) I found the the thought of fathering children (even as a sperm donor post-op) repulsive, so that was a no-go for me.  Adopting children would have been great, but at my age, being single, and with my past history, it's problematic at best to do so.  I also hate that I missed prom (nope, I refused to even consider going in guy mode), possibly joining a sorority while in college, etc.

With regards to hassles, there were the 20 lost years of my life - 1978 (when I came out to my parents as a 15 year old seeking help, and was thoroughly rebuffed by them - it became much worse the following year, when they found it the "problem hadn't gone away") to 1998 (when I started to transition - despite not having enough money to see things through to SRS [which didn't matter, because I had become downright suicidal]).  Not only did I have to deal with resistance and hostility from those who knew about my situation (and even those who didn't but bullied me because it was obvious that "something was off about me", which is always a magnet for bullies), but there was the distinct lack of resources for help in that time (I had no idea where to turn for help in the upper Midwest - even my "progressive" [it's always been more PC that progressive] alma mater the University of Wisconsin, had zero for transition resources).  Throw into the mix running out of money, and taking a huge cut in pay due to corporate downsizing in 2002 (with job prospects being few and far between due to a recession going on at the time), which threw me into a deep depression, and on the verge of a nervous breakdown, due to the fact that my worst fear seemed to be coming to fruition -  that I was going to be permanently stalled out as a pre-op, due to being flat broke. 

Then throw in that (due to the above circumstances) I wasn't able to have my SRS until late 2003, when I was 40 years old (I had no desire to have romantic relationships with a man as a pre-op).  Ask any hetero woman, and they will tell you that it is difficult at best to have romantic relationships when you're 40 or older.  There is the common problem that people older than 40 have, of having less social opportunities to meet other people your age (not many 40-plus people go clubbing, and or go to mixers).  Single, 40-plus year old guys are all too often either confirmed bachelors, gay, or creeps who are divorcees for damn good reasons.  There also seem to be a lot fewer men from my generation (I'm an early Gen Xer), who are willing to have serious relationships with a woman who is a post-op TS (yeah, sooner or later, if you're in a serious long term relationship with the guy, he has a right to know that little tidbit of information IMO), than from the following generations.  Also, when you hit middle age, long work hours and a general lack of energy (even if you exercise like I do), really curtail socializing.  Yep, it seems that what they say is true - romance is for the young.  Most long term relationships with a significant other start when you are younger (20s and 30s age-wise), but as I mentioned earlier, when I was younger (especially when I was in college and had some serious crushes on some of my male classmates), things were a mess for me, with regards to transitioning.  To add insult to injury, I was told by my SRS surgeon that I was microphallic, and therefore the surgical results would been a disaster (can you say no depth?) by the standard penile inversion technique, that was the state of the art when I was in college in the 1980s, due to me not even not even having enough tissue to surgically relocate things to the proper anatomical location. In a nutshell, SRS would have more than likely been a No Go for me when I was in college.

Do I regret transitioning, and having SRS - not for a microsecond, EVER.  Still, it would have been nice to avoid all of the hassles I had to go through transition-wise, and it would have been nice to have the opportunities a CIS-woman has available to her, available to me.
HRT Since 1999
Legal Name Change and Full Time in Dec. 2000
Orchiectomy in July 2001
SRS (Yaay!! :)) Nov. 25, 2003 by Suporn
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Tatiana 79

 Thanks for jumping in Donica
And yes I feel very much the way you do I sure do wish I could have started pre-puberty but that just wasn't done in the 60s.  and definitely would save us from a lifetime of hardships we had to endure before seeking treatment.
I personally waited way too long and had to breakdown being completely non-functional and then wait another 10 years to boot. I myself just started HRT a few days ago but I also feel wondrous and very excited for the future because I was cursed with horrific insomnia for decades but today I woke up getting seven and a half hours of sleep continuously. But I realize most of this is due to placebo and anticipation for the future having a dream that's beginning to materialize.
I would only average about getting that much sleep in a week's time but now I'm bright-eyed and bushy-tailed and much more concisely clearly thinking then possibly I ever have been.
thank you so much dear for your opinion it really counts.
hugs and love Tatiana
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