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Started by SO13, October 26, 2008, 10:40:44 AM

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SO13

Hello~
I am brand new to this site...I came looking for someplace like this because last night, my SO, after 2 1/2 years together and recent engagment, he told me that he is a CD.  Incidently, 3 days ago while doing some cleaning, I found his wig and shoes and some female panties.  I never said a word for a number of reasons...1. He is currently deployed overseas, and there could have been many reasons behind it..i.e. old Halloween costume, panties left from old girlfriends etc. and 2. How would I have even brought it up? As it turns out, while we were IMing I had mentioned Halloween and was going to get a Naughty Nurse outfit to wear for him for when he came home.  He replied that he'd like one too.  At first I thought he was just kidding..the conversation then went full blown into how he likes to dress up and all that...Now I am so confused...Here's why..I find it a turn on and very exciting..I actually love the idea of dressing up with him and seeing him transformed...maybe I am Bi....I don't know..What I do know is I find it very erotic and can hardly wait for him to come home to start this new adventure...here is the rub...our itimate life suffered greatly over the last 1 1/2 years and there was always an excuse why he couldn't "perform".  When he did on those rare occasions it was great.  Here's where my confusion comes in...because he's a CD does this mean he likes men or is Bi given that our itimate life has been so sporatic?  Also, he said to me that he only wanted me, but now I just....*sigh* When I asked him if he would like me to shop for him, he said yes. I asked if he wanted both bras and panties and he said yes..that part of the "thrill was the attention"..What attention?  From other men, women, other CD's or people in general? ...Does this mean he likes to dress as a woman and have sex with other men?  Please someone help me understand this..the CD part I get..its the sexual thing that I am at a loss about.  I can accept the CD and all that, its the "thrill of attention" that has slammed me because I do not know what this means....Please anyone help me to understand what I am looking at and dealing with..also, please do not advise that I speak with him, a little hard right now given the situation and having to keep it a secret so I can't really ask him these questions.

Thank you..
SO13

P.S. He is in his 50's and I'm in my 40's
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pennyjane

hi so13.  i doubt if any of your fears will be substantiated.  contrary to conventional wisdom most cross dressers are heterosexual men.  though many deny it, cross dressing is very often a form of transvestism and some men can and do become much better sexual partners when dressed.  the fact that this is a turn on for you creates the optimum circumstance for the both of you!  he will become a better person and a better lover for not feeling like he needs to repress this rather common sexual interest, and you will find sexual satisfaction as well.  i'd say you two have every chance for being among the happiest and most well adjusted of us all.  God bless with...
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SO13

PennyJane~
Thank you...I hope you are right..I love him and can accept this about him..as I said, I find it exciting...but its the last part that I don't get..what is the "thrill of attention" ?  What does that mean exactly?  While I hope our sex life improves because he doesn't have to hide his desires from me, I am worried that there is more to this and he hasn't dropped that bombshell yet.  Its not like there is a handbook of instructions on "How to know if your Man is a CD and the Ramifications of it", or what signs to look for...I never would have guessed that this was his secret. Other than a lousy sex life that actually had plausible "reasons", I was completely clueless...The other thing that is killing me is why now when he is so far away and can't really communicate with him about this?  That actually, in all honesty is what makes me mad.  While I totally accept as much as I can his CD at this point, I have so many questions and no answers and am unlikely to get any anytime soon. So now what do I do?  We've had trust issues in the past that we managed to get through, but now here I am again, worried and confused that there is more than just a desire to wear panties and a bra and said accoutrements.
Thank you again for your wisdom and help...btw...my name is...

Gaia
SO13
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TamTam

I don't have very much knowledge of this.. but it could be that he just likes the feeling of being noticed and treated 'as a woman,' instead of a man.  When you go out all dressed up in your best clothes and makeup, feeling fabulously gorgeous, and people notice and say "Wow, Gaia, you look amazing," or "where did you get that dress, it flatters you so well," don't you like it? ;)  It's probably something just as innocent for him. :)  I don't think he meant the kind of attention that's sexual and would involve him cheating on you.. he probably just likes the feeling he gets when people notice he's dressed up. :)
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pennyjane

hi gaia.  i think tam tam might be on to something.  feminine dress is aimed at getting attention, it's just a part of it.  i think in the case of those of us for which there is a taboo, it may even be accentuated.  there is always the thrill of just doing something you've always wanted to but have never had the cirumstances compatible with carrying it out.  i'm sure it goes deeper then that but that's a good place to start with understanding it.

i understand the difficulty you're having with not being in a position of face to face communication with him.  i'm sure it's frustrating.  for him, though, it might make him feel a little safer in that things can't just sprial out of control in the course of one conversation...you each get a time to think some before settling on any give attitude or response.  i think that the more you educate yourself on cross dressing for what it really is the less unsure of him in particular you might find yourself.  it really is true, most cross dressers are men, not homosexual men, heterosexual men in all it's glory.  i would place concern, as common as it is, about his sexual orientation way down on the list of worries.  the odds are very strong that he is just what he says he is.

you must understand that there is a whole world of difference between transsexuals and cross dressers.  transsexuals are in fact of one body with the diametric spirit, our anatomy is truely out of congruence with our inner gender identity.  for cross dressers that isn't the case.  usually they are very pleased with their gender and actually have very little difficulty with gender identity, once they themselves find out who they are.  they are men with a sexual attraction for women that goes beyond just the objective, it's really a form of female appreciation they can experience for themselves.  it can be a very healthy and satisfying ascpect of one's life once all the misconceptions and predjudices are removed.  i really do believe that all you have to fear.....is fear itself.  God bless with...
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SO13

Hi TamTam and PennyJane~
It does make sense what you are both saying to a degree...I guess part of it may be because of the lousy sex life, again at the time there were "plausible reasons", "excuses" . That's why its so troublesome...I hope as you say Tam Tam, that is just innocent ego stroking..afterall, who doesn't want to be told how beautiful, sexy and wonderful they look? But in this case who is the attention from? Hetero Men, other CD's ? If Hetro Men, is that a "gay" impulse that he hasn't come to terms with yet so he can't admit to himself or me that perhaps he likes both?  I just know so little about all this..fortunately, I have always had an open mind and a strong curiousity to the "Alternative" and I mean that with the utmost respect, because I do believe some things like sexuality etc. is hardwired and not neccessarily a choice.  Maybe you can answer this..His sister is a lesbian, and funnily enough, he actually has a problem with it although, he would never say or do anything to hurt his sister.  Could his CD be a just a baby step to something else? I just don't want to be sandbagged later down the line if this may be the case..that's why I came looking for answers from people who have "been there, done that".  Could this be just his way of alluding to something more and is just testing the waters?  One damn sentence and my world is upside down..CDism cool..way cool and great fun I think...."thrill of attention" ..*sigh* seems to suggest more...Crap..*crying now* Sorry, and thanks again..many blessings to you both.

Gaia
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pennyjane

ok, honey....crying is good.  you are confused and that's perfectly normal.  of course, you are right, cd'ing might be a symptom of something else...that's something he's going to have to discover for himself.  maybe he already has and is just where he wants to be.  none of us can know that for sure.  i will just go back to my original premise...a vast majority of cross dressers are normal, heterosexual men with a particlar sexual expression need.  i think all of us have particular needs, this is just one of the many..and it means no more then the next as what it is.  do not presume the worst...you just torture yourself and make the best just that much harder to attain.

is cross dressing a place along the road or a place he is and is going to stay?  yes, that's an important question.  you and he and hopefully a good therapist will have to work that out.  the odds are, he is what he says he is...your husband and your lover and he's very happy with it.  the introduction of the dressing into the relationship shows much more promise then reason for doubt.  keep the communication going...you may even ask him point blank what he thinks about it, i doubt he'll take offense. i'm sure he understands that these are legitimate questions...probably questions he's asked himself many times.  open and honest communication between the two of you without any preconcieved notions or censored topics is really the best way for you both to find out exactly what the truth is...then is the time to decide what to do with it.
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Renate

Hi Gaia:

A relationship with a cross-dresser can be tricky.
It's probably just about dressing up, but you never know. He might not even know.

A really good book on the relationships between cross-dressers and their wives is:
My Husband Betty: Love, Sex, and Life with a Crossdresser (2003) - Helen Boyd * Amazon
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SO13

Thank you all of your help, wisdom and education. I know ultimately I am going to have to learn and awful lot on this subject to truly understand it.  Thank you Renate for the book recommendation...I will definately purchase it, and hopefully see were he and I fit in in all this.  I am completely honest when I say, I can accept his CD as I do find it immensly exciting...what a grand adventure it will be. But I do know in order to really understand, I am going to have to have some serious conversations with him when he comes home..I guess, I am just looking for help in understanding just the general nature of things from people who have already been through it. Such as how to support him and show him he is so loved regardless if he wants to wear my panties, (I really find that exciting *lol*) with humour and understanding without making light of something that appears to be very confusing and serious to those who are CD and have yet to come to terms with it...I want to learn how to be understanding and how to encourage him to be open and honest with himself and me. And if it turns out that there is more to the situation, how to best handle that as well..I would never reject him no matter what.  I read a post somewhere here in the forum, where someone said that all humans are "BiSexual" to a degree...I agree with that...hell I wrote my thesis for my PhD on the topic..but booking learning is completely different from actually experiencing it yourself. Any advice on how to do this would be very valued. You all are wonderful and I thank you for sharing your insights with me.  Any education you can and are willing to share with me is greatly appreciated and I wish you all the very best in your lives...

Gaia
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TamTam

Well.. if a lesbian came up to you and complimented you on your looks, would you automatically be attracted to her, or would you just take the compliment and be happy? :) In the same way, if a gay man came up to him and complimented him on his looks.. it doesn't mean he likes the attention because it's attention from the sex he's attracted to, but because it's attention, period.  And it's most likely not straight women who would be complimenting him most often on how good he looks.. so even if he'd prefer to get their attention, he may have to almost 'settle' for getting it from those who would understand his lifestyle the most.

I'm sorry I can't be of more help... I actually don't have experience with this, perhaps a better place to look for information would be browsing around the crossdresser forum here a little. :)  I just tend to think that if you two had any problems with your sex life.. odds are, they were just general problems, that didn't signify anything more than the 'normal' problems couples sometimes have.  Now you know he's CD, that doesn't retroactively change the nature of those problems. :)

But the one and only person who can let you know how he truly feels, is him.
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pennyjane

i agree tam tam.  a lot of women just simply like being told how attractive they look.  when i first transitioned it embarrassed the snot out of me, but i loved every minute of it.  five years later i've learned to accept compliments graciously.  and i'll take them from anyone of any gender, any age, sexual orintation, race, color, creed or national origin.

i could be wrong, i'm not all that up on the inner workings of the cd experience either, but i suspect when a cd is in femme mode the same rules apply.
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Ellieka

I will try to speak with what I hope is a small measure of authority on this subject because My Wife and I have similar issues. The biggest difference is that I identify as Transsexual. But in my early stages I identified as a Cross dresser. 

With my first marriage I had the same sexual dysfunction with my wife but it stemmed from several factors.
1.) She had a disposition that grated on my nerves and we were constantly fighting.
2.) I was struggling to come to terms with my own identity. (real damper on the sex drive)
3.) I was embarrassed by and ashamed of my feelings and fought desperately to keep them hidden.
4.) When She finally found my hidden things she immediately wanted to go into a full blown discussion about it. That in my opinion was unhealthy because I was so humiliated at being discovered that all I wanted to so was run away and Hide.

Now with my second marriage its a bit different because I actually love my new wife but some of the core reasons still exist. I find it hard do be sexually stimulated because for one, I feel pressured to "preform" as a man and after admitting to my self that I am in fact not a man I realize that being stimulated as a normal male would does not "do it for me". e.i. extravagant sexual look and pulling on my member like its a water pistol.
My current wife is still not 100% ok with all this even though we have had some great sexual interactions while I was in femme, it is still stressful for me because I still feel like I have to hide who I am and not be completely out with her.

My advise would be that if it turns you on, make it very clear to him thats so and encourage him gently to pursue his feelings. Try not to make him feel pressured to put out because on some level he most likely wants to feel fem and no woman wants to be forced to have sex.
Also I know that when my current wife found out about me she tried to be understanding and accommodating by going out and buying my some things. Now I know lots of CD/TS find this a turn on but it made me feel awkward.

I think the best thing you could do would be to love him and let him know your love is unconditional. Share your feelings with him and allow him to do the same with you. And when it comes to love making...maybe he wants to be treated like a woman, lovingly, tenderly, passionately.

And when it all gets to be too much come her and talk to us. maybe mention this site to him...It may help him come to terms.
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tekla

Human's are very funny animals.  Which makes all of this, impossible to really say.  I think there are two reasons for that.  First, within any activity there is a range of behaviors.  So it could range from wearing panties - something so common its become a clichie, even the Simpson's joke about it - to being a Drag Queen or Beauty Queen in contests.  And yes, they have them.  It could go beyond that into transexualism also.  That's truly a horse of a different color though.  So I'll confine my remarks to the crossdressing aspects of this only.  But the real question here is "How Far Does This Go?"  And no one, not even that other person knows.  Which is, or can be, scary. 


The second, is that no one knows who/what/why any of this exists, though we can be pretty sure that it manifests itself in different ways.  Some people in the transgender spectrum have backgrounds that include child sexual abuse as a victim.  Is it higher than the regular population, I don't know.  But I can see where how and why you choose to express what you do can be colored by a past sexual experience that was highly bad rather than being good, and reaffirming.  I'm sure many CDs have some past bit of sex stuff, perhaps and most likely, not even sex itself but a symbolic linking that plays out in all of this.  I'm also sure that most don't remember what it was.  The event stuck as an ideal not as a reality. 

So, the person dressing might feel liberated, or humiliated, or sexy, or protected, or fulfilled - and perhaps even more than one of those at a time, so being humiliated can become liberating (sigh, I'm not sure how either, but I've seen it happen, so I tend to think it's true - it has to do with playing out our own visions and lives.)  Sexy for sure can be liberating, humiliating or fulfilling depending on the person its happening to. 


So, you've got something that has a wide range of expressions.  That has a huge number of factors going in that shape and color the end goals and desires.  So, no one outcome is predictable.  There is a very large number who just do the lingerie deal.  Others want a complete outfit, some seek special outfits, costumes if you prefer, and just want to lounge around the house in them.  Others want to go out to some 'safe' place, others out in public, some even want to perform.  Thankfully that number is small.

And, we all know that a lot of our dreams and desires go away after we fulfill them.  Doing something a few times is as likely to make it go away as it is to enhance the desire.  That and people like to experiment - the scientist in us all - and will often seem to be going overboard when they are just working to set their own boundary. 


because he's a CD does this mean he likes men or is Bi given that our itimate life has been so sporatic?
Most CDs are hetro if the stats are to be believed.  That they like all the feminine stuff, does not mean they like men too.  I think in many ways, its not hard to see it as an escape from the world of men, not a way into it.  Given his current life, its not that hard to see that longing for, and obtaining a 'softer' side of life has some merit to it.

"thrill was the attention"..What attention?
Most likely its just attention for the sake of attention.  We're all kids at heart after all.  Everyone has a touch of Drama Queen about them, and are moved by the Diva spirit now and again.  Everyone wants to shout at the world "Yo, Hey Bitch, dig me!" once in a while at least.  It in no way means that he wants to dress as a women to have sex.  There might well be a strong sexual component to it, but that does not equal sex per se.  Ballet and modern dance have strong sexual components to them also, but the audience is not humping like bunnies.  I think that a lot of people, really like to be the center of attention once in a while.  When you think of all the ways there are to get to that spot, if only for a moment - performing, art, music, theater, Karaoke, making speeches, being a key player at a religion deal-reading the Gospel or something, political stuff, sports - yeesh, the list is endless.  Heck, we even have star chiefs, designers and Ice Road Truckers.  Everybody needs a little light under the sun.

Though communication is hard, you do have two things going for you.  One, the time you have in together, and the second is time for you to think about it from a more relaxed and for the moment, more distant perspective.  Having a bit of time to sort it out is a luxury that I'm sure that many in your place would have wished for.





Last, if he is overseas at this time, under that kind of stress.  It could be just the way the mind will do something, anything to get around the reality.  It might just be a passing thing.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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SO13

Thank you all for the wonderful insight and wisdom....My apologies for not comming on sooner.  Its just.. I guess its because I still have sooo many unanswered questions that are unlikey to be answered until he returns....Its just so wild that we've been together 3 years and living together for 1 and not once did he ever say a thing about it...and trust me when I tell you many opportunies to do so had arisen at various times..Now, my feelings haven't changed not one bit, I wrote him a very long and loving letter that I believe expressed the unconditional love and acceptance I have for him, but the very next day, he shut me out and picked a massive fight that lasted for 3 days....afterward we spoke a bit about it and it seems a little better..actually alot better, because he actually accepted my invitation for me to shop for him..little did I know, he not only wanted the underwear and all the accroutrements, but outside clothes as well...as a good faith loving gesture, I even bought him a wig...having found his old wig and shoes..(that was a shock, only because I had no idea). But now, a whole host of questions and worries have cropped up, not to mention, now that he is feeling I believe more comfortable with me about it, our conversations usually go full throttle into a sexual nature....unbelievably so...the way he speaks of it now you would think that he was a teenager again, with all his plans...I am totally into it, but my fear is what if this just an act? Even though everything I've managed to read says that mosts CD's are hetro, I am just not sure...I sent him a pair of my panties and now all he wants to talk about is how wonderful they are and how good they feel to wear.. Are there signs or "flags" that I could look for to know? So many questions and no answers..at least not from the one who needs to answer it..if I thought I was alone before, now I am just straight out isolated....*sigh*

Thanks again...
Gaia
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TamTam

From the way you describe it, it doesn't sound like an act. :) It sounds like someone who for once, doesn't feel he has to repress himself, and suddenly all these nice exciting things are in his head and he wants to share them with you because you're the one he wants. ;) :)
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SO13

Could it really be just that simple?  I am so afraid of being sanbagged and bamboozled...Never in a billion years could anyone have told me this about him and expect me to believe it...now, here it is..while I wasn't sandbagged per se with it, well except finding his "stash" which wasn't much and had plausible reasons in my head...the very innocent opening that I gave him and the subsequent events from that point, has me all twisted...Mostly that I keep finding contrary information about CD's and sex....our sex life was so lousy for so long and now all of a sudden with 5000 miles between us its crazy and only since he told me...that's part of what's so confusing now about his sexuality and whether or not there is another shoe getting ready to be flung at me. He insists that he is straight but then I wrote a fictitious email questionire for him to answer which he did...he knew it was from me, and under the question about CD's and sex, did he like it straight, boy/boy, girl/girl or both....he said straight with a twist..Ack...now what the heck does that mean??? So very confusing...how does one support and accept when you just have no real answers?
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TamTam

I understand, it's hard to trust someone and let your guard down when you were just hit with a surprise. :-\ And now you wonder if there could be another surprise in the works.  But I think the best you can do is.. listen to his answers.  I don't think he would be talking to you like that if he were gay.  And let's say, for argument, that he's bi.. or even, as he said, 'straight with a twist'... it doesn't mean he's less devoted to or attracted to you.  Bisexuals are perfectly capable of settling down with and being happy with one person. :) So even if he is also attracted to men.. that in itself would not threaten you.
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Jennywocky

I'd agree, I totally understand how hard it is for a spouse in terms of trust -- since, if he could keep a secret like this from you this long, what else might be lurking around without you knowing? That's hard to deal with.

I'd agree with the comments that generally crossdressers are still self-identified as het males and retain their sexual interst in women (and perhaps the dressing is even part of that drive). Even if someone is bisexual wouldn't mean they still could not love and be committed to you, since you fall within the range of their attractions.

(As far as all that goes, even a notably high percentage of transwomen, pre and post surgery, compared to normal population, have lesbian-oriented sexual preferences.)

So for what it is worth, the behavior you've described falls within bounds and nothing seems weird about it, in terms of CD'ing. And since he mentioned the "twist" thing, no doubt he's hoping you ask him what that means; otherwise he would have not mentioned it.

I would just say that if you love him and want to keep going forward, feel free to do that. I would just work towards having an honest relationship with each other, so that he would not want to hide other things in future. I think in the past you had made some [generally reasonable] assumptions about what to expect in the relationship, and so you were really caught off-guard by what you found out. I think you just have to make sure that you both keep communicating, so that there aren't future gray areas like this that you both avoid (just like in any relationship). You love him, you've made a commitment already to him, but you can still always modify what your future relationship looks like depending on what you find out and what you decide you can live with and be happy. I think it's better to be brave and ask questions and not make assumptions that could spell trouble later, so that you can be sure of what you are committing to.
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pennyjane

ditto, jenny...facing up to things just as they are with no pretentions or assumptions...without judgement or giving in to calling things what they aren't because it's what you'd rather hear.

it is what it is, the sooner you figure that out the sooner you can start making intelligent and informed decisions about what you want to do about it.  i see lots of possiblity here, very little reason for doubt.

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SO13

Thank you all for helping me make sense of this...the rational part of me knows that the only way to get to the bottom of things is for us to have a heart to heart when he comes home..in 26 days..lol...now just because I don't have enough already to deal with, as I said originally, he proposed right before he left....now 5 months later I get this...before this, he would never entertain any discussion on wedding plans..since this, he now tells me as of an hour ago, that he wants to wed when he comes home...quiet at first, then plan a proper wedding for the spring.....
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